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DH's anger problem and other issues

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concernedaboutheboy · 03/08/2014 15:52

I will try and keep this brief (have namechanged as want this to remain private)

DH has always had a temper, although he's never physically abusive or shouted loudly at me or anything like that, although he can be incredibly rude and grumpy when he's in the midst of it.

He flies into this kind of 'red mist' whereby something extremely minor will set him off - e.g., he is late for something. He will then lash out verbally and start blaming all those around him for causing the situation - he absolutely cannot see sense at these times. He will generally fester for a good while afterwards and will then return to normal. He says it frightens him that he loses all control and he cannot behave normally, and that he thinks it's caused by panic reactions.

His advice to me once when I raised it was to leave him be when he's like this and let him get over it. This was also MIL's advice to me. Bollocks to that, I thought. Why should I be someone's verbal punchbag, and I'm damned if our kids are going to grow up thinking it's OK to be spoken to with such disrespect and irrationality.

Anyway, after years of being together the penny has finally dropped that he has a problem. He's said he's going to go to the GP and ask for a referral of some sort.

He is generally very inflexible in his thinking and cannot cope with changes in routine etc., so I have at times wondered about HFA or Aspergers but I don't think he has the classic 'triad of impairments'; e.g., he can generally work out other people's motives and emotions, although having said this he does have serious problems with eye contact and facial recognition.

Is there a realistic prospect of this being sorted? Has anyone else here/ or their DP sought help for this sort of thing and become a changed person? I do genuinely think he wants to change it.

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concernedaboutheboy · 03/08/2014 15:53

Sorry, that was not very well phrased. I should also say he sometimes throws and breaks things when he is having a tantrum.

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concernedaboutheboy · 03/08/2014 15:55

God, reading that back I absolutely know what my advice would be if someone else had written the same Shock.

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PPaka · 03/08/2014 16:10

This is my H
We're getting divorced
Absolutely cannot live with it.

However, he really does nothing to help himself, massive sense of entitlement and lied and cheated, so not just the anger.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 03/08/2014 16:18

I would be very suspicious, coming from someone who has never thought it a big enough problem before, is inflexible in his thinking and who is backed up by an indulgent parent that their behaviour is normal, that the penny has not really dropped.

My second thought is that, even if he is going to seek help, he should do it on his own time, as it were. It must be terrifying for you and the DCs to witness this behaviour and I don't buy it that it frightens him. If it really frightened him, he'd have done something about it before now. I would suggest he moves out, gets the help and his incentive for reforming is that he gets to be part of the family again.. Harsh as that.

louby44 · 03/08/2014 16:20

My exP (nearly 6 yrs together - no kids together) was a very angry man. He spent 23 yrs in the army - before I knew him.

He would slat things down in temper, criticise people who walked in front of him, get annoyed in the car. Alcohol would bring out the worst in him. He slapped his own DD a few times for answering back or arguing with him.

He had no patience with his/my children. He would often try to talk down to me and would point at marks on the walls asking me who'd made them, he'd moan about untidiness, stuff left out etc etc and tried to be quite controlling. He was emotionally abusive to my 2 DS!

After finding myself retouching paint work, frantically putting bikes away before he pulled onto the drive last year, not to mention our disastrous holiday to Turkey where he slapped his DD15 across the face - I decided that I couldn't stand it any more and I ended the relationship in December.

I know there have been subsequent angry outbursts with his new partner and he did briefly seek some counselling, but I am no longer in contact with him.

I hope your DH find help. My relationship wasn't strong enough to survive his anger - and I tried danm hard.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 03/08/2014 17:51

A lot of this behaviour from my stbx as well. This will be affecting the dcs and you in a negative manner.

concernedaboutheboy · 03/08/2014 20:06

Thanks everyone for your replies - I will come back and read them properly later.

His behaviour doesn't scare me - I think it's ridiculous and it makes me angry but scared - no.

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cheapskatemum · 03/08/2014 21:55

He could be on the autistic spectrum as you suspect. It's a spectrum and individuals have the 3 classic impairments to a greater or lesser extent. The fact that he has to "work out" others' motives and emotions rather than being intuitively aware of them, like neurotypical people is telling. I have PMed you.

concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 10:54

I don't know whether he has to work them out as such, I think it was just a careless turn of phrase on my part. I honestly am not sure that he would be diagnosed as on the spectrum.

I was worried about the temper right from the start, I really should have paid attention to my intuition. We should really have addressed this issue a long time ago, and not let it fester.

I feel like I should stick by him while he addresses this, as he has stuck by me while I sorted out my own issues (mental illness). Although having said that, he compared his anger issues (outside of his control) to my depression (outside of my control) and that really bloody annoyed me.

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Twinklestein · 04/08/2014 11:07

Anger is not a mental illness, and his belief that it's out of his control simply perpetuates it. He's simply refusing to take responsibility for his temper.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 04/08/2014 11:55

Yep. Stbx went from it's not abusive, I have an anger management problem, to it's a symptom of my depression so I can't help it and you're just going to have to deal with it until I get it under control. Except he never worked on getting it under control. It was his "automatic out" on nasty aggressive behaviour - "I can't help it."

Sure you can. It's called "Closing. Your. Mouth." you know, as opposed to "Shouting. Aggressively."

Sit him in front of the telly. Pop in Disney's Bambi movie. When it gets to Thumper, rewind and repeat over and over... "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all.." It works on 3 and 4 year olds, maybe he'll get it. (although I wouldn't count on it Hmm)

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 04/08/2014 11:55

(oh, and yes, I know technically it should be "don't say ANYTHING at all." but IIRC, Thumper actually says don't say nothing at all..

Just saying...

Pagwatch · 04/08/2014 11:58

What happens when he does this at work?

louby44 · 04/08/2014 12:48

They never do it at work!!

And if they do they get the sack!!

Pagwatch · 04/08/2014 12:50

Well that was kind of my point louby44.

I just wanted the op to figure that out herself.

louby44 · 04/08/2014 12:51

2 months after I met my exP he was sacked from his managerial job in a VERY well known, global company. He was given a big payoff and asked to leave without taking it further.

I never understood why, he said it was a clash of personalities between him and other management! But there was no chain of disciplinary events leading up to this!!!

Weird!!

concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 13:34

Well, he doesn't do it as much at work but it's not quite true that he never does it there. He has been known to slam doors at work etc on the very rare occasion. But no consequences, it's an unusual place of work, I don't want to say any more for fear of outing myself.

There have been occasions where he has told me things that have gone on at work and I have thought "hmm, that's something you should Just. Let. Go" but which he has then gone on to doggedly pursue until he thinks he's been proved right/ got an apology etc because he's so cross. It's usually when he perceives an injustice having occurred that he will be like a dog with a bone.

Ordering Bambi from Lovefilm right now Wink

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concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 13:35

Thanks to all who have replied, it helps get some perspective on things. I think I agree about saying 'he just can't help it' is a bit of a cop-out. Unless it turns out he is on the autistic spectrum and even then I am sure that people will tell me that is no excuse at all for not learning some self-control.

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Pagwatch · 04/08/2014 13:54

The thing is, if he is able to do it less at work then he is able to do it less anywhere. So he has control.

My son has autism and I work with him to find appropriate ways for him to express his anger frustration. I don't let him be as angry as he likes and then afterwards say 'oh he has autism'

Of course sometimes he loses it because his ability to exert control is reduced. But that isn't your DH is it?
He isn't struggling to control himself. He just expects everyone to put up with it.

So probably not autistic. Probably just thinks his feelings matter more than yours.

concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 14:08

Pagwatch, thanks. I suspect you're right. Sigh....

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 04/08/2014 15:20

I have to agree with Pagwatch on this one.

I have a stbx that was abusive and had anger issues as well. I have an 8yo ds that is autistic.

I can SEE ds struggling with his emotions. I can WATCH him battle for control when he is so upset and cannot cope. He genuinely does not know how to deal with anger, and though I am working with him slowly to help him with this, he will react badly anywhere, in front of anyone, at any time, because he genuinely cannot control it.

With stbx, I can see him clenching his jaw, gritting his teeth when angry in public, the dirty looks, the barely contained sarcasm. In private, when he gets angry there is no struggle anywhere. He gets angry, he erupts. It's one of the main reasons that now we are separated, I will not allow him in my home. I refuse to put up with this behaviour. Because it is obvious he CAN control it. He controlled it at work, in front of friends. Oh yes, there were blurred edges - an occasional door slam, sarcastic comment, dirty look. But never EVER did he just go ballistic at work or in front of family and friends like he did in private with just myself and the dcs.

Catzeyess · 04/08/2014 15:41

I think if he really wants to sort it he will be able to, my dad (who is on the spectrum) managed to work through anger issues and I have not seen him have an outburst in years. It sounds like there has never really been any consequences as a child, and now he believes he is entitled to behave that way. I am Shock at your mil response.

I think cog is right, ask him to leave saying 'I love you and want us to be a family, but I can't live with your anger issues, please take steps to sort them out' and then define what exactly you are willing to put up with. Don't let him come home until you are happy with his progress. It's up to him then.

I am sorry you are going through this. Although there is hope if he wants to change. My parents are still together and are much happier now (even if growing up it was all a bit dysfunctional)

concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 16:45

Yes, I think that's right, Catzeyess, there have never been any consequences. I'm glad you also thought my MIL's response was a bit off. I think she herself has put up with similar treatment from FIL (yes, how predictable, there's a pattern....) over the years.

I think I want to make a go of things, although sometimes I'm not completely sure because his angry man behaviour has really whittled me down over time and I've lost some respect for him.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARrrrgh.

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Catzeyess · 04/08/2014 16:48

:( I'm sorry Thanks I hope it works out for you x

concernedaboutheboy · 04/08/2014 16:58

Thanks v much, really appreciate hearing people's views and reassurance I'm not making an issue out of something that isn't...

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