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DH lying twat - how do I deal with this? (long sorry)

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docmcknackered · 01/08/2014 20:09

I am a 'respectable' professional woman with 2 tiny kids. If you met me you would think I have everything. But the truth is, my life is worse than anything out of Jeremy Kyle. My DH has been acting strange for about 2 years (understatement). Very complicated situation which would take pages to describe. But bottom line...I discovered he has a very expensive and dangerous cocaine habit about 3 weeks ago. Spending a fortune on the filth - clearly a habit he cant control. So - I kicked him out. Obviously. Have been numb, confused, devastated and also guilty since as children are troubled by his absence and I am still in shock and trying to understand how I could not have known that my partner of 14 years was on drugs. He left but has been coming home each morning and evening to see the children. He has been crying etc. and says he hasnt 'used' anything...but has not begged my forgiveness and has not begged to come home. I have been feeling tremendous guilt because of the fact that I have kicked him out and deprived the children of their dad. Should I have supported him in trying to kick the habit? Given him a chance? He is obviously crackers...otherwise why get hooked on a class A drug...and has lots of health problems anyway, which probably contributed to all this. anyway...we have been terribly 'amicable' since he moved out as I have felt responsible for breaking up the family. I have cooked him meals and my mum is still doing his washing (despite knowing the truth). But tonight I looked at his phone..and saw a text to someone saying that someone was cooking for him tonight and that she had 'great cutlery'.... This woman said - ohhh fill me in on Monday (I thought we were not telling anyone we had separated) and he responded by saying 'i dont kiss and tell'.
How much of a douche bag can he actually be? How much of a fool can I be? I am on my knees by now and dont know where to turn. I cant tell anyone about any of this due to my line of work and how shocking my situation is. I thought we could sort this out with a degree of civility for the children's sake but now I think he is simply a twat. He said that its 'banter' and that the texts are not true. He says he cries every day and night and all he wants is his family back. I need to get with the programme dont I? I hate myself for being such a fool. What on earth do I do? x

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Lovingfreedom · 01/08/2014 20:16

Do you have a close friend or sister/brother you can confide in? I think you might be better sharing this with a good and reliable/trustworthy person. You're doing the right thing by keeping him out by the way. You will deal with this. You're doing all the right things so far. Look after your kids. Take care if yourself too. Xx

PenelopePitstops · 01/08/2014 20:18

You've got rid, make sure you stay rid of him.

He sounds an arse, and a lying one at that.

Get on the phone to a solicitor Monday morning and file for divorce. Send all communication via a lawyer.

Stop doing ANYTHING for him, tea, washing etc.

Bollocks to your work, they have no business knowing your private life anyway.

PenelopePitstops · 01/08/2014 20:18

And Flowers look after yourself X

hamptoncourt · 01/08/2014 20:23

My ex had a cocaine habit. He lied and lied and lied.

It also caused him huge medical and sexual problems (ED).

It got to the point where I had to detach from the man he could be when he wasn't on it, because when he was on it he was boring as shit, and when he was coming down he was even more boring!!!

He had loads of money so buying it was never an issue unfortunately.

Sadly I loved him and leaving him was incredibly hard, but it was the right thing for me and for my DC.

You know what you have to do but I thought it might help to hear from someone who has been in a similar position. Thanks

HumblePieMonster · 01/08/2014 20:28

I understand about keeping it quiet from work, at least for now. When you're rid of him completely, maybe it won't be so bad if they find out.

You did exactly the right thing by throwing him out as soon as you found out. I can't emphasise that enough. You don't have to support him in recovery - if, indeed, he has any intention of giving up the drugs - he betrayed you by not being the man you thought he was.

I, too, think you should stop cooking for him (although if it fits in with the children seeing him, I can see they might value that), and ask your mum not to do his washing.

All his weeping and wailing is about getting his comfortable life back so he can carry on as before. Ignore it. If you can limit his visits that might help.

Be pro-active. This man is no good for you, no good for your career and with his Class A drug habit, no good for your children, at least not as a permanent member of the household. Get the legal moves in place to see the back of him.

Quitelikely · 01/08/2014 20:29

Well hang on, if everything was rosy apart from his habit, I think he could of at least been given the chance to get clean? Why not give him one chance?

edamsavestheday · 01/08/2014 20:32

Because coke addicts are, to put it mildly, Not Nice or Safe People.

If he wants to get clean - which sounds unlikely given the text - then he can do that on his own. And then perhaps seek forgiveness and reconciliation.

tribpot · 01/08/2014 20:32

Addiction problems are far more common among the professional class than you realise. And part of the reason you don't realise is because everyone feels they have to keep up a facade of 'respectability'. Addiction thrives on secrecy. You aren't helping him. Just as you and your mum (WTF is she thinking) aren't helping him by cooking and washing for him.

No, you shouldn't support him in trying to kick the habit. You have literally no experience of addiction. It's now time to arm yourself. Nar Anon is the equivalent of Al-Anon for drugs rather than alcohol - the organisation to support the families of addicts. Unfortunately it looks as if they only have a meeting in London, so outside London I would go to Al-Anon and talk to other people like you.

You are protecting your children from a drug addict. That is not 'breaking up the family'. Stop feeling guilty, get angry and start looking out for yourself. And stop keeping secrets, they are far more harmful to you than the truth. It's time to start making this real.

SeattleGraceMercyDeath · 01/08/2014 20:32

You poor thing. I've been where you are, I've told my story here before under a number of usernames. I'll not regurgitate it again, however you need to think about yourself right now and your children, my DH (as he is now) sorted himself out after I left him, I don't know if it was because I left him, I don't care, when I left I left for good as he had driven me to the edge of reason with his lies and excuses, I didn't leave as a threat to make him sort himself out, it took him over a year to win me back. Get rid of your husband, you can't make him change, if he wants to do it he will. You haven't split your family up, he has, with his pathetic dependency on narcotics. I hate cocaine. You have my love x

docmcknackered · 01/08/2014 20:44

Your posts are galvanising me and helping me enormously. I simply cant see the wood from the trees at the moment and seeing your comments in black and white is making this real for the first time really. Thank you for responding. He was supposed to be a good guy. We had a great relationship up until we had our 2nd child and then all went downhill rapidly. I dont think he coped with 2 babies - we had them very close together. He loves them to pieces but has had very traumatic experiences in his life and I think now the chickens have come home to roost. I always thought it was incredible how unscathed he appeared to be after being subjected to such experiences. I dont judge him as I am very sorry for him. And I dont want to punish him as I cant imagine he ever set out to be a cocaine abuser - who does? But I need some logic to this situation and I need to see how the future is going to lie. All very difficult as this is all very raw...but you are all helping me. Thank you x

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tribpot · 01/08/2014 20:50

It's not about punishing him, or forgiving him for that matter. You have to detach from an addict for your own health and wellbeing. You can't fix him. The previous trauma is not an excuse for addiction, but you won't help yourself if you dwell on the triggers that led him down that path. He made his choices and now you have to deal with the reality of this problem. You can only focus on yourself right now, that's certainly what he's doing. Perhaps you will reconnect down the road, as Seattle has done, perhaps not. There's no way of knowing at this stage, and no point waiting to see if that will happen.

docmcknackered · 01/08/2014 20:55

Quitelikely - have you ever been in this situation yourself? With a spouse addicted to a class A drug?

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docmcknackered · 01/08/2014 20:59

tribpot - yes I agree with everything you say. You are clearly wise in relation to this issue. I realise today that I have to detach asap. Seattle I would love to know your story. I have searched online for similar scenarios - will do so again. as for divorce...that is all well and good but realistically, he is going to be part of our lives forever as the is the father of my children. I cant get him out of my life. I have to try to make this dreadful situation as 'normal' as I can for the sake of my beautiful son and daughter. They dont deserve this.

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SeattleGraceMercyDeath · 01/08/2014 21:12

The following was posted by me elsewhere and I know some bits won't apply to you but this is my story of life with a coke head, sorry to those who have read this before.

Ok. In 2006 i found out the father of my daghter was using Coke. Way beyond his means. Way beyond our means. He changed from what I felt was overnight but had in reality been building up without my knowledge from the loving boyfriend and father that I had known for 5 years to someone I didn't recognise. Oh we had the good times, the contriteness, the promises, they were broken EVERY single time. It wasn't that he didn't love us or even that hs love for us wasn't enough to make him stop, he genuinely didn't think about us when he was on one. He was addicted. I limited his money. Or I thought I did. He went to money lenders, those payday loan places and borrowed money instead, he borrowed money off his friends, off his family, everyone. I told no one, I was so embarrassed and so ashamed, plus I was so convinced that he would see the light and stop for us that I didn't want anyone thinking badly of him, of me. I was stupid. I dragged him to counselling, meetings, acupuncture, anything and everything I could think of. I even used to make him do home drug tests. Pissing in a pot for me? How fucking degrading and not something that should ever be part of a loving relationship. Ever.

I cried so much, everytime he went out with 'friends' I'd be sick with anxiety, I'd torment myself, read his texts, open his post, time off work with stress. I dealt with everything for him, negotiating with banks and moneylenders, anything to keep the wolf at bay, he wasn't grateful for any of it. He was always so sorry, he'd cry, he'd make promises that this was the end. Which it always was until the next time. His need for cocaine was stronger than any love he had for us or desire for a normal family life. His real friends distanced themselves from him, despite my pleading for one of them to help him. They could all see what I could not. He could not be helped. He had to actually want to do it himself, not because I was hassling him. Still i tried, bargaining with him, sobbing, telling him how much our daughter would be embarrassed by him if he didn't pull himself together. Before I had found out about any of this we had booked our wedding, still we marched towards it, I convinced that I could change him. I could get him to love me and our baby more than he loved coke.

One night I discovered yet again he'd spent hundreds of pounds of money we just didn't have on coke. I was terrified dealers would come to our door as we simply didn't have the money. I rang his parents. I told them all about their precious son and his drug addiction. They were mortified, they came round straight away, they gave me the support I so desperately needed and the conviction that despite what e said this wasn't 'normal' and i wasn't being uptight because I myself have never taken drugs. They got him into a programme, things seemed good again, but of course he relapsed, he started borrowing money under the radar, telling lies, God the bloody lies he told, I used to think I was going mental because of the stuff he used to try and convince me of. Looking back I'm pretty sure I started to lose my own mind a bit. On we went, with that destructive cycle, sometimes me kicking him out back to his mothers, telling him we were through, telling him I couldn't cope, I'd always let him back after a few days, really willing myself to believe that things had changed.

It was 5 weeks before the wedding, things had been pretty calm for a few weeks, I was cautiously feeling positive. He went out for a couple of drinks with 'friends' the knots in my stomach started again, the nausea, the worry, the fear. He didn't come home that night. He came back about 11am the next morning. I was beyond worry, beyond fear, when he came back he was obviously still out of it, he blamed me for him not wanting to come home because of the way I went on at him. He walked away from me to go to bed and sleep it off. I saw red and followed him. I went for him. Kicking, puching, screaming, if I had had a knife I'd have killed him with it there and then without thinking. I had truly lost it. I just wanted to hurt him the way he had continuously hurt me. I hated him. I wished him dead so at least I didnt have to deal with it. So anyway. our daughter came upstairs. She saw me hurting her Daddy. I will never forget the look on her face. I stopped, scooped her up and left. I drove to my arents, told them everything, cancelled the wedding and moved out. Told him I no longer cared if he lived or died. I expected him to support his daughter but I wanted nothing more to do with him.

He went seriously off the rails then. Racking up debts here there and everywhere, of course I worried about him but I didn't contact him. He saw our daughter under supervision at his parents house, they were at their wits end. Then, and I still don't know what the catalyst was, he started to go to counselling of his own accord, he started to contact me again, not self pitying contact, not nasty, why did yo leave me contact, more 'i'm so sorry, I can't believe my behaviour, I don't blame you for leaving' contact. Still I stayed resolute, this had to come from him even though my heart was broken into smithereens at not being with him, the man I knew from before the drugs had their piece of him. He got himself clean all on his own, he took control of his own life and sorted it out. Whether it was me finally leaving or the possibility of losing his daughter or what, whatever it was it wasn't me holding his hand and reassuring we could do this together, because we couldn't. He had to do this of his own accord. I stayed in the (not quite) marital home, he moved into his parents and continued on his journey of getting clean and becoming the man he used to be. He asked me out on a date. I went. We started again. Me and the man he used to be. 5 years on we are married (in May this year) and we have a 19 month old son to add to our daughter. It turned out ok for us. But to the OP I must make this clear. Absolutely nothing I did other than leaving him for what I fully intended to be forever was enough to make him want to stop. I don't even think it was that, I'll never know, what I do know is this. I make myself ill over him and he didn't care, I sacrificed so much in terms of money and having a normal relationship and he didn't care. His relationship with coke was far stronger than his reltaionship with me and like I had to be the one to walk away and leave him, he had to be the one to leave the coke behind. Nothing I said made him do it. You can not control him, much as you want to. You can not control an addiction. It will always control him until he changes that. You can only control how you react to it. I feel for you OP because I suspect you have a little while to go before you rech the same conclusion.

Just as a footnote, we're together, married and 2 kids but that's not to say that time hasn't had a huge lasting effect on both of us as people and on our relationship. Coke is a fucking horrible drug.

Um sorry for the essay...

(Just realised this was posted over three years ago initially, we're still going great but I must emphasise we really are the exception to the rule)

docmcknackered · 01/08/2014 21:23

Thank you Seattle. Completely relate to this. amazing that you got through it. I can see how most do not, myself included. Life is really horrendous sometimes. I always thought I should be wary of the players...the nightmare two timing idiots.My DH was never one of those. Little did I know that something this would ruin my marriage. Scary.

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shitatusernames · 01/08/2014 21:32

I think you've done the right thing, so well done.

I was 16 when I got with my eldest's dad, I knew he injected speed, by the time my son was 4 months old I'd had enough and left, best thing I ever done.

Drug addicts are only bothered about 2 things, themselves and the next line/fix, you and your kids deserve far more than that Thanks

PenelopePitstops · 02/08/2014 08:12

You can be divorced and he could still be a part of your children's lives. The two are not mutually exclusive. As for 'normal', having an addict dad turning up for tea isn't 'normal'.

He has to want to be clean. You cannot help him until he wants to help himself.

Protect yourself as much as you can, detach from him on a day to day basis.

GelfBride · 02/08/2014 09:24

Seattle great post! I split from a former DP for his drug taking. I was heart broken but he was consumed by the urge to use. We were saving for a house and to get married but I had to walk away. That was in the Eighties and I saw him recently and barely recognised him! He is still taking drugs. He was/is such a nice bloke and so incredibly handsome (think a slightly wiry version of Tom Hardy) only 54 but looks 90. I bloody hate drugs.

peanutnutter · 02/08/2014 09:43

I am really sorry for the situation you are in OP but the best thing you can do for you and your children is to separate. Your dh getting clean is not your responsibility and you cannot help him do this. He needs to want to do it himself. If he does and manages to stay clean then is the time to consider if you want to be with him again. Until that day sadly he is an addict and the only thing important to an addict is where their next fix is coming from. You have done well to get this far Thanks

AskBasil · 02/08/2014 10:05

Please please make sure that someone in authority (doctor, lawyer, whatever) is aware that your DH has a coke habit. If need be, dob him to the police.

When you split (and you know that there really isn't an alternative to that) you cannot risk your children being sent to a house where there is no responsible adult to protect their interests and where there actually may be cocaine in a place they may find it.

This happened to a friend of mine, she's a bit clueless and didn't realise the implications of her XH's coke habit. When she mentioned it in court, she was dismissed as a vindicative ex because she hadn't mentioned it before then (was too ashamed, still trying to save the relationship etc.). About a year ago she collected the girls from a contact visit and saw the little bag she knew he'd used to keep his cocaine in, right there on the table. Luckily her kids are old enough to know not to touch anything that they don't know for sure is proper food in Daddy's house, but it's a permanent source of worry to her and you can live without that shit.

Your first priority is the safety and welfare of you and your children. Don't let him compromise that, do whatever you need to do to protect yourself and them.

Thanks
edamsavestheday · 02/08/2014 10:17

A friend of mine left her husband who had a coke habit (and had attacked her twice). She told the family court about his habit and they both had to be tested. She was clean, he was not. So it was proven and taken into account re. contact. Initially only with a third party present (MIL) then after some bad behaviour on the husband's part, in a contact centre.

You do need to declare his coke habit when you leave him so your children are protected.

docmcknackered · 02/08/2014 11:27

thanks again for all your posts. I am so grateful to you all for your comments. I am so upset this morning. He was due to collect the children at 9am to give them a fun morning at soft play. 10.15 and still no sign. So I rang him and he arrived 20 mins later. I wiped the floor with him. Everything is going to change now. No more indulging him. I dont think he has used since he left...but I have no way of knowing for sure. I have a very long road ahead with him letting me and the children down and its heartbreaking. Your words have given me some real support though so thank you xx as for telling a someone, I think I may have to tell my GP so that it is recorded somewhere.

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Discotheque · 02/08/2014 12:47

Yes, do not hide this. Something happened to my cousin, however, she did not tell anyone about her ex p' s habit until years after they split. She was ashamed too, though not a drug user. She was not believed as she said nothing during the break up. And now their children have unsupervised contact in a house where there are drugs taken. Take care

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