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Do you ask for permission to go for nights out with friends?

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moonshine123 · 30/07/2014 21:12

Just out of curiosity does anyone ask for permission from Partner or Husband etc for going on nights out with friends, girls nights out etc? x

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 30/07/2014 22:44

Let him go in a huff. My cousins dp gives her the silent treatment for days then does a big show of bolting the door behind her as soon as she leaves.

This is the convo I've just had with dp.....

Me.... On Sunday I'm going x , she has champers left after her birthday, where making cocktails

Dp... Jesus I'll get the sick bucket out then.

We don't begrudge each other time out. We're not jealous of each other either.

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wigglylines · 30/07/2014 22:51

This is not good. He has a problem with jealousy. It is his problem, and unacceptable.

Unless you make things change (by standing up for yourself, or by leaving) you will become increasingly isolated form your friends and hte world, you know that don't you?

You need to start by knowing that no, it's not OK to have to ask for permission to see your friends. And it's definitely not OK that his solution to his jealousy problem, is for you to stay in like a caged bird, just in case when you were talking to a random man, some other (imaginary) random person decides to make up stories about you.

You are a grown woman and he is not your keeper.

The real solution is for both of you to recognise the problem lies with his jealousy. He needs to deal with it, and you need to stop pandering to it.

If he can't or won't understand that it's him causing the problem, then I'm afraid the only real solution is to leave. Or carry on living a half-life, tied to your H while your friends drift further away from you and you get more miserable, and your child learns that women are supposed to put men's feelings before their own.

I'm sorry you're in this situation, it sucks. And it's not of your doing.
But what you do about it is up to you.

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NomdePlumage · 31/07/2014 07:54

Yes I was married to one of these men. Paranoid, didn't like me going anywhere without him. He had problems with me wearing certain things, didn't like me speaking to anyone else on the phone.

He was always worried I was going to leave him. In the end what happened- I left him. Self- fulfilling prophecy.

I only started to live my life properly once I had left him.

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Lally112 · 31/07/2014 08:02

Yes, We both ask each other because DH works facking awful shifts and I work very little actual hours but a lot of on call stuff. If both of us wants to do something we have to ask his mum to take the 4 kids and some of the dogs (we have 9 but only 3 in the house) and if its an overnight stay its like planning a military operation.

If however its just an evening down the pub, I just ask if hes ok with it and the kids can come to the pub and get me if they need me because its in the village opposite the green they play on.

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Blu · 31/07/2014 08:06

Moonshine, it is normal and healthy for married people to go out with their friends. The fact that you are feeling low and isolated a out it tells you that it isn't right.

As to jealousy, no one ever made a relationship work by using emotional blackmail to coop someone up and make them miserable. If his possessiveness is keeping you from your friends and making you miserable how is that loving you? Caring about your feelings?

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Walkacrossthesand · 31/07/2014 08:12

Also, it's not just the asking permission is it - you say your friends have stopped asking you 'because you always say no' - is that because (a) you ask permission and OH says no, or (b) you can't be doing with the hassle and huffing that even asking him causes, so you you just say no without even asking him?

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Anniegetyourgun · 31/07/2014 08:14

I used to get that line, "It's not you I don't trust, it's other men". It's bullshit. Don't trust them to do what? What he meant was, he didn't trust them not to make advances, which of course I would be too weak and silly to resist. Which is not trusting me. And it's damned insulting.

After 25 years of this nonsense I left the bastard (after making a half-hearted attempt to have a sort of revenge affair, which I'm not proud of, but my mental health wasn't in a great state by then. It's a lot better now and I still haven't had that affair...)

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rainbowsmiles · 31/07/2014 08:17

Another courtesy check only here. what exactly does it mean that he doesn't Trust other men?

Organise a night out. If he huffs call him on it. If an argument ensues let it but don't let it stop you.

Someone can only control you if you allow them too. stop allowing him control.

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Allinson2014 · 31/07/2014 10:15

I don't ask for permission. However he works long hours and we have three DC under 7 so we would discuss it as I'm a SAHM and would need to make sure that he knew about it and was available to look after the DCs.

It's more of a "my friends are going out Saturday night, I'd like to go too, are you off work and able to have the kids?" Rather than "please can I go out".

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Appletini · 31/07/2014 10:22

Being cheated on previously isn't an excuse to subject you to this.

I was cheated on in the past. Doesn't mean I need to make DH's life a misery.

Discussing whether a night out is convenient is one thing. Asking permission because he doesn't like you going out without him? Whole other thing.

If you don't have trust, you don't really have a relationship.

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flappityfanjos · 31/07/2014 10:41

I run my plans past DH as a courtesy, because he will have to be in to do childcare etc. He wouldn't be able to go out and dig the allotment or run in the evening like he often does. I think it's polite to check whether that's OK.

But I wouldn't expect him to say no without a good reason - i.e. that he'd already arranged something that night, had a late meeting or whatever. He definitely does not get to tell me to stay home just because he doesn't want me to go out.

If one of us was out constantly, never around at weekends to spend family time, then it might be reasonable for the other one to ask them to stay home more often. But the odd night out is simply nothing to do with him - it's a completely reasonable thing to do, it's not about him and frankly he doesn't get to hold an opinion on it! Long-term partners are still separate people with their own lives.

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MushroomSoup · 31/07/2014 10:47

RedRoom "He's a man, not a barnacle!" Grin

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hellsbellsmelons · 31/07/2014 10:56

Nope I don't ask.
I tell him when I've made plans.
He'll then often make plans to see his friends.
I'm definitely the one who goes out without him more.
Never ever push your friends to one side for a man.
Believe me, you will need them and you want them there for support as and when required.
Don't let him control you like this.
Make plans with your friends.
You can instigate an invitation to them and then tell him when you are going out and with who.
Let him sulk.
The more you do it the more he will get used to it.
Or... he may just ramp up the abuse and then you'll know you have to get out.
Find yourself again. It's liberating and an absolute must.

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aprilanne · 31/07/2014 11:01

i usually say have you anything planned for such a date .not really permission just courtesy .i don,t need permission i am a 43 year old mother of 3 .same as i would not expect my hubby to ask me if it was ok.if we both wanted out same date we just take turns about .

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BackforGood · 31/07/2014 11:14

Like almost everyone else - when the dc were small, if either one of us wanted to go somewhere, we'd double check it was OK with the other, in terms of making sure one of us was here to look after the dc, but as adults, we don't need to 'ask permission' to go out, other than sorting the practical arrangements.

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angelos02 · 31/07/2014 11:16

I just let DH know in case we already had something else planned that I've forgotten about. An ex used to be very controlling like the OP's DH. If I was 5 minutes late meeting up, I'd obviously been shagging someone else...if I was having a shower when he got home from work, I'd obviously been shagging someone else etc etc.

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WhatTheFork · 31/07/2014 11:36

We let each other know our plans. DH ever so slightly gets on my nerves when he asks if it's ok if he goes out. I know he's not asking permission, just checking if we're not doing anything else, but he could word it differently. I'm not his mum. As I said it is just the way he phrases it, as if he's asking, that bugs me, not the actual going out bit.

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ShelaghTurner · 31/07/2014 11:43

Same as everyone else really. Just run it by each other to check it isn't clashing with anything else. He's delighted when I go out as it doesn't happen very often and he thinks I should go out more and see friends more often as I can be a bit shy.

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1tiredmummy · 31/07/2014 12:53

I agree with redroom he sounds like he either doesn't trust or the people your with or he is seriously insecure and can't be without you, either way it's not good, just tell him as much as you love being with him you need time on your own. Everybody does especially if you spend all day long being mummy and then being wife at night it's nice to just do something for yourself,

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Jayne35 · 31/07/2014 14:41

He says its not me he doesn't trust but other men is nonsense. My Exh was controlling like this too. I just used to go anyway and put up with days of silent treatment. In the end after years I cheated on him (practically falling all over a man who was nice to me), then left him. It was the wrong way to go about it but I'm glad I got out of that awful relationship.

Put your foot down now OP. If he won't accept it then you will need to consider your future, is this really what you will put up with indefinitely?

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ThatBloodyWoman · 31/07/2014 14:44

I do.
And so does he.

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moonshine123 · 31/07/2014 20:08

Thanks everyone, maybe just time I got myself a back bone and and stood up or myself x

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WellnowImFucked · 31/07/2014 21:05

We don't have DC so a bit different. We've been together nearly 20 years.. The only time either of us would very make any negative comment about the other going out would be if we hadn't spent an evening together in a few weeks. With our lives and jobs we can go a few days where we only see each other in bed and one if us will be snoring.

The 'don't trust other men' is shit and at worst victim blaming.
Does he think you're so feeble that you'd go out some randomer would say 'let's have a shag' and you say yes.

And as for the while you say you were only talking to that man but X says you were kissing.

All it means is that he doesn't trust you. This can go one of several ways, you will become smaller and smaller to try and fit in to the tiny box he wants you in. Or you start telling him if he doesn't trust you it's his problem either he gets help or he shuts up and behave.

I recommend the second.

Because next it will be timing how long you're out of the house shopping or at the doctors, and if you take more than 5 minutes extra or decide to pop in to Boots because they have a great 2-4-1 offer you be accused of being up to no good. And after a while you won't leave the house at all. Sorry if this sounds like scaremongering but I have seen it happen.

I once worked with someone who met a 'lovely' man so nice considerate etc. he had a 'bitch' of an ex who cheated on him. . .

Started off with him coming to work nights out, even if it was a work mates only night. Then she stopped coming. Then she couldn't meet for lunch/coffee, we worked shifts he worked 9-5. But he didn't like her not being there when he got in. Always using the excuse that this was what his ex used to do. . .

By this point they were living together and pregnant. When she came back after having her little one it came out that he'd sold her car, and decided that he would pick her up from work, our late shift ended at 21:45. We assumed that it was a cost thing so all offered to help so he wouldn't have to come out with the baby. No. Not acceptable.
It got to a point where if she was 5 minutes late finishing she'd start to shake with panic.

We worked on a Acute Cardiac Unit, it was not unusual to not be able to leave on time. But instead of thinking shit someone must be in a bad way if they're out late, no she'd be accused of shagging a patient/ visitor/ staff.

She let slip that they'd been without hot water/ heat in Feb for 3 weeks because that was the earliest weekend appointment. He wouldn't allow her to be in the house alone with a workman, and refused to take a day off work.

She was so far in she saw nothing wrong with this. Then she reduced her hours. And eventually quit. Several of us tried to keep in touch to the point of turning up to the house, I realise this might make us seem a bit odd but but we didn't harass just knock if she didn't answer just stick a note in the door saying if you need anything just call. Only once a month or so. Then one month, they were gone, house was sold. No one including her family knew where they went.

Every time I hear/ read about yet another woman killed by an abusive partner/ husband I wonder about her. It's intirely possible of course that she's fine, it's as possible that she's dead and we don't know.

Sorry I didn't realise how long this was going to be.

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EyeMyrrhSlapHer · 31/07/2014 21:21

I say 'I am going out on Saturday - did you have any plans' then 'not sure what time I will be back, don't wait up'.

Your DH sounds very controlling and full of excuses

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moonshine123 · 31/07/2014 22:04

I have just said I have been asked out next week to a birthday party with people I work with, will it be ok? He asks do I want him to come too, I dodged the answer as I don't, I want time out just me!! Silent treatment and huff happening right now, gone all quiet making me feel like I have done something wrong?? Really, I just want to live!!

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