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How do I handle this with adult Asperger DS?

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stinkingbishop · 21/07/2014 11:27

Apologies in advance, probably long one...(and which will out me to anyone in RL but hey!)

Background. DS is 20. He has 2 year old twin half sisters. I divorced his violent Dad when he was wee, remarried and he was v close to his Stepdad who ran off with OW, no contact...I, I am ashamed to say, resorted to alcohol and had a breakdown and was hospitalised three times...but have hauled us out of the mire and am sane and well again (sober for a year now). Hallelujah. Life is genuinely good now and for the first time in my life I am content; I'd like everyone around me to be like that too.

Through all this DS and I have been v close. Bit of a team. Some amazing times. And obviously some not so good as well. We could wind each other up no end but he is fiercely loyal and kind and loving. He's (very) high functioning Asperger's. My absent minded Professor. Super bright, in an unusual way. But has had to work really hard on organisation and social skills. He still can't get his head round tact. And, while he has friends at Uni and is actually sharing a house with friends next year, he doesn't have that burning desire to get out and socialise. So isn't seeing anyone this summer hols, just spending his time learning Japanese, as you do...So he's only having contact with me, his sisters, my partner and his teacher all summer, plus when family/my friends visit. He seems cool with that, so I try not to force it.

Soooo...we used to have adventurous holidays all the time together. They were ace. A few months ago he asked me a bit mournfully whether the fact I now had DP and the twins meant we wouldn't have a holiday just us ever again. My heart obviously, somewhat pathetically, melted through my toes with gratitude - he still wants to spend time with boring old Mum! - and we've just got back from a week's adventure, just the two of us.

I thought we were having a fantastic time. At one point I actually had a wee weep in my B&B room because it was just so lovely. Life as it should be. But we were having a little sit on a beach and I apologised again for everything I'd done over the years, and not done...he nodded, and said it was all ok, and he loved me. But then said he didn't LIKE me. That this holiday had reinforced for him that we didn't have a shared interest, there was nothing we did together, no common ground. And that was making him sad.

The defensive part of me was (in my head) saying - what do you think we're doing now?! Spending a week together, somewhere we love, chatting away in the car about his Uni subjects (which I've read up on), having lovely food (which we're both into - we even visited a restaurant we'd seen on Great British Menu that he wanted to go to!), I was telling him about my new career which is in an area kinda linked to his subject, talking about his future plans, there were jokes, cuddles...And also I'm not meant to be his friend. I'm there to be his safe harbour, which I think I am now. He should be chatting to mates, sharing activities with them. He can't look to his DM to provide on every potential relationship front.

But I didn't say any of that. Because it's irrelevant isn't it? It's how he feels. And, like lacking the impulse to socialise, it may be different to me, but it's his reality. I just apologised, and said I'd have a think, and that, if it mattered to him, I was having a glorious time being with him, and it was precious.

Maybe it IS me. I do find him quite tricky to converse with. He's got the typical black/white Asperger thinking so it's hard to have a debate and sometimes I can feel a bit bullied/get irritated with him/feel talked down to; he gets very fixed. He agrees we share food and travel as interests, but says (rightly) they're things to DO, not talk about. He did say maybe History might be something to think about. We've been watching Simon Schama together and chatting about that.

What would you do, o wise MNetters? It's important I crack this one, because I think, given my little professor wants to become a real one, I think he's going to be at or around home for years to come. Have any of you successfully formed an adult relationship with an Asperger DC? Have you been all things to them? Or have you found a way of convincing them you shouldn't be? And is it bad of me to be counting the days till he gets a girlfriend, believing that would solve so many of the issues?!

Help please. I love him sooo much. I just want him to be happy; I hate it when he's not.

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MargotThreadbetter · 21/07/2014 12:39

Bumping!
Can't offer any advice unfortunately, but just wanted to say that you sound like a fantastic mum!
Flowers for you

stinkingbishop · 21/07/2014 12:46

Aw thanks margot. I have made some spectacular balls up, but I do try! I think part of the issue is he's intellectually about 102 but emotionally about 14, and going through a sort of delayed emotional puberty, which is down to the Asperger's...But I'm just a wee bit stuck!

Main thing for me though is I didn't let his whole 'I don't like you...we have nothing to talk about' comment burst my happy bubble Smile.

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MargotThreadbetter · 21/07/2014 12:57

Well he must like you really, else why would he agree to go away with you like that?!
He's probably forgotten he even said that to you... Grin
And you obviously take a huge interest in his life and his interests. Sounds as if you've raised a very capable (if blunt) young man!

MushroomSoup · 21/07/2014 18:17

I have a teenage ASD son. I remember him crying because he didn't have a friend. I asked him if he had someone to walk to school with - yes. Eat lunch with - yes. Talk to in the playground - yes.

I pointed out that these ARE friends. He honestly didn't know. No one had told him 'what friend do' and so he was thinking it was something else!!

I think your DS is expressing love for you. Love or like is a very logical decision. I bet he doesn't even consider doing both.

Your relationship is strong, obviously. He chose - asked - to spend time with you. He just has no 'box' to put it all in.

MushroomSoup · 21/07/2014 18:18

That will make absolutely no sense to someone without an ASD child!!

stinkingbishop · 21/07/2014 18:49

mushroom thanks...I think you're onto something. I bet he's read somewhere in a magazine or something that all good relationships involve sharing interests...hence he's now judging all relationships, including familial ones, by whether we have a joint hobby or not.

I do sometimes forget how blessedly literal he is!

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YvyB · 21/07/2014 19:00

Sounds like you have done an amazing job to me! Am wondering if you've had a conversation something along the lines of "what can you do with different people"? You might need to write 'job descriptions' for the various people in his life so he knows what to expect from different relationships. You are obviously very close so it probably hasn't even occurred to him that it would be more appropriate and satisfying to look to other people for some things e.g. discussions about shared interests.

Having worked with many children on the ASC, I think he's being very honest - he probably just hasn't realised that at his age it is completely normal to love your mum but not like her because, at the end of the day, liking is for friends instead.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 21/07/2014 19:17

You sound really wonderful, and good on you from pulling it all back from the brink. I don't have a child with ASD but my feeling is that he's got a very fixed idea of what a friend/liking someone is, and that's to share hobbies and topics, and you don't fit that. He does love you, you are not his friend, someone to 'like'. It's really just a function of his rather categorical thinking and in no way a reflection on your relationship.

I also think you can't run around trying to please his definition of what you should be like, it's great if you have some common interests, but I wouldn't watch history stuff unless you like it, same with topics he's interested in. That's what his friends are for.

You could try posting this in sn as well as I think there are loads of experienced mnetters who will have wiser words than mine, I think what he said was a function of his condition and it wasn't meant in a bad way, just a very literal one.

stinkingbishop · 21/07/2014 22:11

I think one of the things that worries me is, no, I shouldn't bend over to force a shared interest but...if I don't, he's got no one else. At least not while he's not at Uni.

It's hard not to project how I would be feeling in his situation, which would be lonely/sad/bored. And he must be feeling some of that, otherwise he wouldn't have said what he said.

Hmm.

Thanks for the kind words ladies Smile.

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stinkingbishop · 22/07/2014 08:38

goose the 'agrees with everything you say' is very familiar! That hasn't gone away yet, even at aged 20. I've got no idea how he manages not to wind everyone at Uni up, tutors included!!

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MushroomSoup · 23/07/2014 09:51

Ahhh, the wonderful world of 'projection' for us parents of ASD kids!!

My life got considerably less stressful when I finally acknowledged that DS did not want all the things that I wanted him to have!

I tended to overthink everything. (Not saying you do this, btw.) I worried about him being lonely, friendless, cast adrift, bullied, etc., because it's how I would have felt in his situation. Stupid thing was that he was actually very settled - I can't bring myself to say 'happy'! - in his little bubble of a world and I was to anxious to see it.

Now I've relaxed and given in to my mother's adage of 'we can want no more for our children than that they get the life they choose for themselves', things are strangely better.

Why do we overthink things for our ASD kids in a way we never do for the others?!

I see him as a complicated little soul but actually his needs and wants are quite simple!

springydaffs · 23/07/2014 10:47

He's 20! So, as you say, he's not going to quite click with someone older. ASD aside (as far as that is possible), he'll be needing peer connections, whether he realises it or not.

I wouldn't take to heart that he used the word 'like' (or ,'not like' - ouch). He obviously does like you, adores you in fact. Just that you're not 20.

My boy loathed me at that age, couldn't stop his nostrils flaring with contempt. So you're not doing so bad.

stinkingbishop · 23/07/2014 15:13

Thanks again both. It's hard, isn't it, not foisting our own idea of contentment on others, whether or not they're our children, ASD or not. It's like I feel sorry for people who don't holiday abroad, or get to eat nice meals...but they may not want to! They may prefer to spend money on things that last, and may think me worthy of pity for not having nicer clothes or a bigger house as a result.

Anyway, past 36 hours have been rugpull-free. He even was chatting about me visiting him in Japan if he goes on the JET scheme Grin.

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Kleinzeit · 23/07/2014 18:04

I sympathise… I’m the mum of an Aspie 16 yo who is doing well but still more dependent on me and DH for social contact and amusement and someone to talk about his intense interests than we would like. Maybe it’s OK for your DS to feel bored and lonely at times, so he understands he needs activities/ connections with other people? He might still think it’s your job to fill all the gaps in his life – after all you’re his Mum Smile – and it’s part of growing up to realise you can’t. Only most kids get there younger.

Does he get disability support from his university? They often look at the social as well as the academic side of university life and they might be able to help him extend his social circle. Not necessarily best mates but people who he could “do things” with or “share interests” with. Maybe he could join some societies for the kinds of outdoor activities he likes and for also for the kinds of academic interests he has? Sometimes they do things over the summer. Or any student conferences or summer schools he could go to?

PS you sound like a great Mum and you've obv done a great job with him whether he appreciates it or not Wink

FavadiCacao · 23/07/2014 18:49

My AS son is a teenager but I do have an older child at Uni. 'Liking someone, with lots of shared interests' could be in reference to 'liking' girls and maybe your son is telling you that he loves you but he doesn't 'like' you. Although my ds is starting to take interest in the opposite sex, he is some what behind his peers and often he has to rely on me for interpretations of social norms and vocabulary.

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