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At a crossroad

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whatisforteamum · 17/07/2014 14:57

hi everyone i have a dilema.I have been with DH 28 yrs.we have 2 DC in their teens now.We have had roughpatches before ( i had an affair 10 yrs ago) But we decided to stay together and work things through.This worked well and we threw ourselves into work which i enjoyed.Then unfortunately My mum was diagnosed with incurable cancer,shortly followed by my Dads terminal diagnosis which was a hard time watching them both so ill.My sex drive took a tumble and my DH pestered me and even referred to me as dried up in front of our kids!! Anyway the job i loved got taken over by a new company and the boss pretty much bullied me at every turn.i was thinking of quitting when my DH suffered a huge heart attack and had to have months off work.When he returned his temper got worse and worse sweaering at me and even breaking the hoover he slammed in so hard.i took him to gps and now he has meds.My prob is he wont discuss hols or days out and when i mention i would like to sleep in a bed 11yrs after sleeping downstairs he shuts his eyes to sleep or walks away.Im not sure about rocking the boat with mum and dad so ill but i dont want to be lonely in a marriage or spoken to disrespectfully on the positive side our mortgage is paid and the kids are almost adults

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mrsbrownsgirls · 17/07/2014 15:02

What a miserable situation. Why are you staying ?

GaleWeathers · 17/07/2014 15:03

You have been sleeping separately since the affair but he still expects sex? I am unsure what is going on here?

whatisforteamum · 17/07/2014 15:32

i sleep downstairs as he snores badly and wont get help as he thinks the docs will get him to lose weight.i decided the house and kids we worth staying for and believe this has been right but i cant drive far so he has taken them on hols for 10 yrs however i really need a break after the last few bad yrs and i have savings put aside incase i was ever divorced.now im late 40s im not sure cooking until midnight (im a chef) then kipping on a floor until he wakes at 4.30 for his work is acceptable but dont know how much stress i can take with parents dying too

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 17/07/2014 15:49

I don't know what to suggest to resolve your dilemma but my observation is that, with the exception of the affair, you appear to be prioritising everyone else in your life above yourself. You stayed together and you worked things through after the affair but I wonder if a reason your DH is so angry and bitter is that you didn't really resolve the important stuff... you just buried it under work. Regardless, the situation sounds utterly miserable and, if you're late forties, carrying on in the same vein just because people are ill might mean you end up turning up your toes before they do...

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2014 15:57

28 years together but it's not all been roses.

Your DH must have thought he could put your affair behind you both and keep going. It sounds like it almost worked out.

But work place bullying is horrendous, and bereavements take it out of you as does caring for a sick family member. Shift work can be a real problem all of its own so if you are already struggling with intimacy there is an even bigger wedge between you.

If you are in the UK summer holidays are upon us and you will have the DCs off school for weeks.

I am not knocking you for staying together for the children and material security however your marriage has reached crisis point again.

You say yourself the DCs are nearly adults, they must see how you and DH interact, don't you worry it must be a strange impression of how adult life is? What about love, affection, mutual respect?

whatisforteamum · 17/07/2014 16:15

hi my parents are still with us everything crossed for them..i agree whatever must the kids think.It was a real loss to work in the same place after 10yrs where i was treated with respect to be spoken to by an ageist boss.i just had my first time off sick in 8yrs as i lost 10lbs.Time off made me realize how non existant my relationship is.Im an open kind of person and quite bubbly but the hubs stonewalling me as he says i cant tell him what to do,regards looking for a car etc.Everything came to a head when my boss said summer hols were taken so i booked next week half which my 2 are off and he is golfing(his once a month treat since his heart attack) when i consider football and soap operas he has to watch i can see he works hard and we both love the kids but one or 2 day trips a year doesnt seem good enough

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2014 16:18

Oh very sorry OP you spoke in the past tense so I made the wrong assumption, I do apologise.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/07/2014 16:24

Re: DH you said you organised taking him to the GP for meds, whereas he seems to make decisions about sleeping arrangements and what the family car is and holidays, pretty one-sided.

Not minimising what you did a decade ago but do you ever feel you are still making amends for your affair? Because if he is of the mind-set you should be doing penance i don't think he will make efforts to be kind or respectful.

BitOutOfPractice · 17/07/2014 16:24

Hello what. What an awful situation. I'm sorry to hear your parents are so ill. I wish them all the best

I would also bet, that because they love you, they would not want you to stay in this unhappy shambles of a marriage for a second longer on their account.

Secondly, go on holiday yourslf. I cannot TELL you how liberating you'll find it. I did this when I had my heart broken a few years back. I decided just to go for it. And I did. Do the same and don't tell the miserable sod where you've gone and use the time you are away to have a good hard think about what you want in the future

whatisforteamum · 17/07/2014 19:42

hi thanks for all the replies,how lovely to have an outside opinion.My parents want me to live a life not as mum described it an existance".however they married 48yrs ago so i guess the sticking at things comes from them!DH and i went to relate 8yrs ago and he refused to open up just saying he still loved me(which is why i stayed and the kids were young it wouldve broken my heart to tear the family apart for my sake.i never thought he was treating me badly as payback maybe he is i have slept on a floor for so long but only when im ill i wish i had a bed.Many parents will sacrafice things for the kids.Strangley im not afraid of being alone just the whole expense though i do have divorce money set aside.i do miss having someone to turn to,go out with,or have a laugh with i just wish he didnt talk down to me as our daughter sometimes tries although i pull her up on it.A holiday sounds like a plan even having a couple of weeks off sick i put on 6lbs having a rest..thank you all so much :)

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BitOutOfPractice · 17/07/2014 20:00

I think if you talked to your parents they might surprise you with their opinion.

AS for wishing you had a bed. I cannot tell you how sad that makes me what. It really does. I don't think having a bed to sleep in is a big ask.

What you are entitled to is a comfortable home, love and respect from those that you love, and to be happy.

Here's my advice because I think at the moment it all seems so big to you,

Use some of your divorce money (and well done on stashing that away!) to buy yourself a bed. It could be a day bed to keep in the living room. Do it. It's the very very bare minimum you deserve. It will make you feel empowered. And bloody hell the world will be a brighter place for a good night's sleep!

HumblePieMonster · 18/07/2014 11:44

My love, you must have a bed. And soon.
You must have peace of mind and self-respect.
You have shown how strong you are to put up with this for so long, for the sake of your children and not rocking the boat.
Now, your children are almost grown. Your parents are ill. Your health is not as robust as it once was and you want more from life than you currently have.
Begging this husband for a couple of days out a year is not good.
I want you to put down all your responsibilities for a few minutes and think about what you would do if you were absolutely free.
Let that sink in for a few hours.
Then think practically about your parents. Are you their only child? Is the responsibility for them all yours? Will you inherit? Could you bear to live with them, and would they have you? Do they know that you sleep on the floor and that your husband goes away with the children, without you?
After a good break from thinking, reflect on your children. They might respect you more if they see you established in your own home. But, they’ll be upset by any changes to their routines, people always are. Over the last ten years, they’ve learned from their father and from your acquiescence that its ok to make you sleep on the floor, speak down to you etc. They expect that now. Changing that is going to take time and strength on your part. No need to argue about it, just quietly improve your position. What kind of relationship/s do you want with your children as adults? Its time to start working on that.

After a good rest, thinking of mundane things, think practically about finances.
You say you have money aside for divorce. I’m worried about that. If your husband knows about it (even if he doesn’t) I think it might be a ‘joint asset’ in case of divorce, and you might have to share it with him! Salt it and silence. You don’t have any money. Not a thing. Other people might give different advice, but that’s mine. Your joint house is paid off, but who will stay with it, with the children? Or will it be sold? Are there any other assets? Don’t give anything away, if you decide to go ahead with making a life for yourself.

Later, think about life alone. That’s really alone – without the constant abrasion of a husband who thinks he can make you live abjectly for reasons of his own. Think of quiet time, healing, finding yourself. And sometimes, loneliness. But not so bad as now, I think.

I wish you courage, strength, and vision. You, five years from now, own little home, bed to sleep in, children as regular, happy visitors and as many lovely days out and holidays as you could possibly wish. And maybe a nice man who shows you love, respect and kindness.
Good luck.

whatisforteamum · 19/07/2014 11:28

thank you for replying.Im onto the buying a sofa bed asap. Sometimes i have so much to think about that i have been soildering on in the absence of choice.Mum used to say "you made your bed youve gotta lie in it when i used to say anything about my husband in the early days,The teens are ny priority to get them through exams and keep a stable enviroment for them. we have juggled long hours to keep the status quo and a clean tidy home for which im proud.I must point out my husband took the kids on hols at my request as i sometimes worked and i feel 3 happy people is better than 4 begrudgingly going away.im so glad i found this site and i must say i feel better for getting it off my chest as i feel with so many hard situations not knowing which way to turn!! i think you all have valid points now im nearer to 50 perhaps it is time to think about what i would like on the work and home side and as the parents getting advanced cancer and my husband having abig heart attack life can be unpredictable and shouldnt be taken for granted

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BitOutOfPractice · 19/07/2014 12:34

What yes yes yes to thinking about what you need. What you want. That's not selfish. It's your right.

Keep posting. There is always someone here to listen

whatisforteamum · 23/07/2014 17:14

UPDATE dh has agreed to sleep on the sofa bed when we get one if so it will be the first time in over 11yrs i have slept in a bedroom apart from when they go on hols :)

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BitOutOfPractice · 23/07/2014 17:16

Good. It's a baby step. The first one. Well done Thanks

Now what next?

GoatsDoRoam · 23/07/2014 17:19

I really don't understand why you have been sleeping on the floor for 11 years, and why "they" go on hols without you.

Surely, everybody in the family should sleep in the same level of comfort, and everybody in the family should get the same amount of treats?

whatisforteamum · 23/07/2014 17:50

the sleeping on the kitchen floor was one night i was ill and so was dd i used to have phobia of the kids being sick so dh looked after her i kipped downstairs.
Time went on and i realized with his 420 am alarm and bad snoring i slept better on my own.When i asked if we could take it in turns he became angry.tBH as ive got older it seems more of a hardship.
He takes them away as i cant drive far and they deserve a play on the beach.I suppose we are like seperate people who share the house and kids

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whatisforteamum · 26/07/2014 11:09

UPDATE : After the DH inability to get up early to go out for daytrips but he managed 6.30 am for golf with the lads i asked him if he thought this was acceptable.At on point when asked he told me to shut the F**k up! Charming.I pointed out this was my summer hols a chance to go out of the area normally we are too tired or working to do this.He then said we have reached the end of the road.I must admit his total reluctance to disscus anything,no affection unless he wants sex and swearing and temper have pushed me to the edge.Without the distraction of work things seem pretty bad.
I know i will need legal advice but given that i work part time on a low wage apart from what i have saved i have no idea how people move on in a practical sense.I have always valued having a home that is my own front door and clung onto that,any advice please.

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BitOutOfPractice · 26/07/2014 15:45

Get yourself a free half hour with a solicitor. Get armed with info (re his wages etc) and mke a plan of escape

BitOutOfPractice · 26/07/2014 15:46

Or rather, a plan to ditch his sorry arse.

BitOutOfPractice · 26/07/2014 15:47

And find ut what benefits you'd be entitled to. I think the site is called entitledto.something

whatisforteamum · 27/07/2014 20:00

bit out of practice thank you :)

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Nanny0gg · 27/07/2014 20:14

Do I assume you can't all fit in the family car?

This man has made you pay every day for your affair. You've just felt so guilty you haven't seen it.

Get legal advice.

whatisforteamum · 27/07/2014 20:30

i will get advice .i only felt guilty to the kids, i think he just wanted us to all stay together as divorce is expensive and i didnt want to tear the family apart permenantly ( although it could be argued having an affair did) we stayed out of misplaced loyalty to the DC,s :(

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