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secret texting by dh......to dsis

16 replies

redletterbox · 11/07/2014 12:15

we have been married over 26 years, happily.

in all that time sil has never been a part of our lives, except for obligatory xmas/birthday cards.
sil rarely returned calls,was always "busy" or non-contactable.

in all that time we maybe saw her (married 4 dc), perhaps 16/7 times.
until a family member became ill and then she was constantly on the phone to dh.this was to sort out care for the elderly family member

But, this is the problem.
Instead of becoming angry with dh, she became verbally abusive to ME.
it was as though she rented her rage on me, I hardly knew her, yet I took the brunt of her frustration a few times.

I didn't retaliate at all, as to be honest I was so shocked to receive the nasty attacks that I kept quiet .

The last time this happened a few weeks ago, she "demanded" I spoke to her on the phone.
Wanting to maintain a quiet life- I am 71- I agreed to speak to this total stranger who had used me as her verbal punch bag in the past.

When I answered her, I got another verbal assault from her,(screaming I was disgusting by my "alleged behaviour?" at the funeral, so passed the phone to dh, where no doubt she didn't rant and rage at him.

Instead she told him she never wanted to speak or see me again (not that she ever did) but wanted to speak to him, as he is her db.
Now yesterday was his birthday, and he received a text- ?from her- and went to the bathroom and secretly replied.

We have never had any secrets, always discussed our life/relationship and hopes and dreams, yet I feel that she is making him into a liar in front of me.

I have repeatedly reassured dh that if he wants to maintain a "relationship" with his dsis feel free to do so.
But he has secretly, which I sad for him and me.
It's like a black cloud in our life.
Dh either wants to see dsis or not.
Why is he keeping it a secret?
Sorry, In the scheme of things this may sound trivial.
Dh and dsis have never been part of each other's lives- except obviously when they were young- so why should she use me as her verbal punch bag?

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tribpot · 11/07/2014 12:37

I think you've got two issues. One is your SIL's unacceptable treatment of you. One is your DH's apparent need for a secret relationship with his sister. I'd imagine the reason for the secrecy is that these texts are slagging you off and he doesn't want you to see.

On point one - you simply have no further contact with her. She's never been part of your life, and clearly she never should be. It is unfortunate you didn't stand up to her sooner as she has an expectation that you will take a verbal kicking from her whenever she chooses to dole one out, but that stops right now. Your best chance at a quiet life is to tell this bully you won't be spoken to that way and the matter is closed.

On point two - have you asked your DH why he is keeping his texts secret from you? You've been quite clear: you have no interest in a relationship with his sister but you have no desire to stop him from having one. Insisting on dealing with her covertly is rude to you and unnecessary to boot.

That said, if he does wish to maintain contact with her, as well as being done openly it should be done in a way that is respectful to and of you. Which means you do not expect him to be nodding along to her slagging you off, if that is the reason why he is doing this furtively. At minimum he needs to be telling his sister that he will not discuss you with her.

It all sounds very unpleasant and unnecessary, redletterbox, and I hope you and DH can resolve things soon.

kaykayblue · 11/07/2014 12:47

You should have stood up for yourself rather than accepting her treatment of you, but more importantly, your husband sounds like a spineless fucking coward.

You need to speak to him about this - ask him why he feels the need to hide the fact he is in contact with his sister? He already knows that it doesn't bother you, so what is his problem?

It would be nice though if he had the balls to stand up for his wife of 20+ years though.

Utter, utter coward.

Jan45 · 11/07/2014 12:52

Not good, he should have had your back when she started being abusive to you, that's what partnerships are made of. The secret texting is just another slap in your face.

I'd be very concerned re trust issues here, as well as where his loyalty lies.

IvyBeagle · 11/07/2014 13:32

Talk to him, he probably doesn't know how to handle it and is trying to protect you :(

Optimist1 · 11/07/2014 13:53

The SIL part of your problem is reasonably easy to deal with - have absolutely nothing to do with her.

Your husband is probably quite conflicted. He has had increased contact with his sister recently and if he had been less than happy with the earlier lack of relationship he may have had hopes that this would be the start of a new era for the two of them. Of course this isn't panning out as well as it might, given her outrageous behaviour. I think his scuttling off to the bathroom to reply to her was just a symptom of his anxiety not to upset you, rather than having clandestine communication.

Can you have a think about how you would like him to deal with things and then tell him plainly what your expectations are? In your shoes, I'd probably say I had no issue with him seeing, phoning or texting her on the understanding a) that I was not mentioned and b) said visits, calls and texts would not be undertaken in secrecy.

getthefeckouttahere · 11/07/2014 14:43

i think he heard you say that he could have a relationship with his sis but still thought that you would be upset. (given how intolerably she has behaved towards you its quite a reasonable assumption)

Re iterate this to him and tell him how much his secrecy has hurt you.

redletterbox · 12/07/2014 09:41

tribpot,
I have had this on my mind all night,it seems daft, but I can't understand the secrecy bit on my dh's part.

I did something that would never had occurred to me in our long marriage, I had a look at dh's texts to his dsis.
he doesn't hide his phone.

she text to say happy birthday, and he replied ...thank you, how are you, that was about it, nothing about me!
the same sort of " relationship there has always been, just the annual contact.

I feel it's almost as though he is saying, I know how you treated my dw, but we are still the same, you will always be my dsis.

jan45,
yes, he should have "had my back" the first time she abused me, but as he says, he hates "confrontation" a relic from his childhood.

it does feel a bit like a slap in the face, but maybe he still sees dsis as the young girl he remembers from childhood.

but from what I have learned over the years, she is the dominant, controlling matriarch, even "boasting" at one time that she was going to "bring her grandson up herself" as though he was an orphan.

ivybeagle,
for sure, he doesn't know how to handle it, even when I have reassured him that "it is okay to see/speak to his dsis" if he wants to, he replies that I am his dw, and I come first and always will.

optimist1
..yes, dh is conflicted, though, they haven't actually had increased contact recently, the last was about 6 months ago, then nothing.
but he always has "hopes" that the relationship will improve, but she goes hot and cold, always has.

yes, I agree that he secretly replied, in order not to "upset me" although I have laid my cards on the table so to speak, by saying, the last time she took her rage out on me, that I wasn't asking him to "choose", he could speak to her whenever he wanted.

so, really I have already explained the best way forward for me, as she told him quite clearly, she didn't want to " see me or speak to me again"

I think that she has always been a (emotional) school ground bully, and dh is afraid to upset her.

I don't know, it's odd, I am the only one she has abused, baring in mind the absolute minimal contact there has been over the decades.

many years ago, when I answered the phone, said "hello" and she began to shout at me, why do I always answer the phone when she wants to speak to dh!
why doesn't he answer, actually he hates the phone and always leaves it to me to answer.

I got to the point that if I heard her voice, I would panic, wondering what trouble she would cause again.

so , whatever I do, I am wrong.

I apologise at such a long message, particularly as it sounds so trivial, not a major life changing issue,but she is a dark could on our happy marriage.

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IvyBeagle · 12/07/2014 09:51

I wonder if she is like his mother?

Poor you :(

TweeAintMee · 12/07/2014 09:53

redletterbox You cannot control what your sil does or what your dh does, but you CAN control how you respond to their behaviour. Ignore it and move on. Be supportive and loving to your dh and so not put him in a position where he feels he has to choose between you. However vile his sister is, she is his only remaining family and he is probably very conflicted, sad at the loss of his parent and fearful of ageing himself.

Leave sil well alone and focus on enjoying life together. This does not have to be a dark cloud at all, just a passing shadow. Move back into the light and smile at the joy of being alive. Life is far far too short and fragile to waste a moment on what you cannot control.

FunkyBoldRibena · 12/07/2014 10:00

When she attacked you - what is she ranting about exactly? What have you done that is so wrong?

I'd tell your husband that you are aware that he is secretly in contact with his sister, and that there is no actual need to keep it a secret as you don't give a shiny shite as long as she keeps off your back.

redletterbox · 12/07/2014 10:14

puts it perspective, not a dark cloud, just a passing shadow, thank you.

by the pattern of behaviour over the decades, I doubt if there will be contact again for months.

I appreciate that there could be questions of a "backstory" but there truly isn't.

I think that until I came on the scene, many years ago, from what i heard ,sil was the "boss" of everyone, including dh.

maybe she was resentful when we married, a bit like when a ds marries, and dm has to accept that the new wife comes first in ds's life?

as I said earlier, for the first time ever, I took a peek at dh's phone and saw the text, so it will be difficult to say I know he is in touch with his dsis.

wow, actually I realise that I have got nothing that compares to other peoples problems, maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill.

i'll just let it go.
a passing cloud, I like that.

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TweeAintMee · 12/07/2014 10:16

Plan something fun with dh...an impromptu picnic (if it is possible to plan something impromptu!)

redletterbox · 12/07/2014 15:32

passing shadow, such an excellent thought.

when we were out today, that kept popping into my mind.
I looked across at dh, and thought, let that shadow pass, and we can return to our peaceful lives.

we didn't have a picnic as it was raining, but whenever that shadow passes us in the future, as I am positive it will, I will simply wait for it to pass.

I won't allow a stranger to bring such discord into our lives.

we are both oap's and just want peace.
thank you all for your honest replies.

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sonjadog · 12/07/2014 15:42

I think your husband was maybe texting her in secret because he was worried it would upset you. I think it was a well meant but misguided thing to do. I'd let it go if you can.

TweeAintMee · 13/07/2014 01:01

redletterbox - I'm so glad you had a good day. Tomorrow is another day..

TweeAintMee · 13/07/2014 01:02

Another day to seek the positive I meant to say!

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