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Socialising - does this happen to others?

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NeedToGrowAThickerSkin · 11/07/2014 10:25

NC for this as I feel pathetic for even writing it.

I have never been a socially confident person. I suspect most people I socialise with wouldn’t realize this – outwardly I’m quite confident and chatty, though a bit aloof at times (“aloof” affords me more self-respect than “needy hanger-on”). However inwardly is a different story – socialising is an effort, I feel shy and awkward, I feel like no-one is interested in talking to me, that I never know what to say to people.

Since having DC, I have made lots of effort to socialise with other parents at nursery/school because I want to set a good example for my DCs. So I smile, I approach people to chat rather than standing on the sidelines, I ask people about themselves/their DC rather than talking about myself, I try to initiate social activities rather than waiting for invitations. It is still something I have to make myself do, but I had thought that I was getting better at being “normally” sociable with other parents.

Yesterday I attended a very casual function at DC's school. Lots of parents milling around chatting in groups watching children’s activities. The parents of my DC's classmates are a nice group of people, everyone is pleasant and friendly, though there are some that I feel I get on with better than others.

I walked up to a group of several mothers that I consider I get on pretty well with and greeted them. One of them, Mum A, thanked me for something I had recommended to her on a previous occasion, and mentioned that she was having trouble finding other similar things. I started to tell her about something that I thought might fit her requirements. While I was talking Mum B walked up to the group to say something to Mum A, who turned to talk to her – and because they were talking I stopped in the middle of what I was saying. I waited until a lull in the conversation (a genuine lull, I didn’t interrupt them or barge in) and briefly finished off the information I had been giving Mum A. She listened, said something non-committal and then turned back to Mum B, apologized and continued talking to her. The apology felt like a snub - she didn’t actually say “sorry for that annoying interruption, now what more interesting things were we talking about?”, but that was the impression she gave.

I stayed and continued chat to Mum A and another mum, C., Mum A mentioned an issue her DC had been having at school. Mum C asked her about it, and Mum A answered her by whispering some of the details. They continued to whisper to each other, excluding me. Feeling snubbed again, I moved off to watch some of the children’s activities.

I know it all sounds trivial and it's not the end of the world and I'm being over-sensitive and I don't have to be bosom buddies with these people. But like it or not, this sort of thing knocks my confidence, particularly when it happens with someone I thought I got on well with.
(Reading this back, I sound about 12. But about 12 is how I feel in situations like this.)

I haven’t really written this to do a pathetic “poor me”, but to ask a genuine question – does this sort of thing happen to people who are socially confident too, but they’re sufficiently thick-skinned to ignore it or not care? Or would a socially confident person manage the situation differently so that incidents like these didn’t happen at all? Genuinely curious.

OP posts:
Jan45 · 11/07/2014 10:29

Yes it does and yes you need to start growing that second skin. Unfortunately the world is full of weird and wonderful people which means having to spend time on conversations with people we'd rather not. Don't waste your energy worrying about what people think of you, they won't be.

OorWullie · 11/07/2014 10:30

It happens to me alot, I'm just not as pushy or inpolite as other people. I'm confident enough to speak to everyone, but I'm too polite to barge in or talk over people so I am generally the one that doesn't get heard.

FWIW I don't care though, I'm pretty anti-social and enjoy my own company in general.

abbykins3 · 11/07/2014 10:35

I'm like you.

I used to make the effort at the school gate and in the end gave up.
I thought F em!
I then became entirely happy with my own company and being on my own.
That's when people started approaching me.
Now I don't give a either way.

antimatter · 11/07/2014 10:40

I know what you mean describing how those mums were behaving.
Is it possible that theres very cliquey environment in your dc's school?
mums meeting for coffee, an alpha mum/s who are leading the pack and deciding who is in and who is out?
Very "strong" PTA with people who treat running it as a second (or the only!) job they must excel at?

My advice - sod them! If you have hobbies, best to look for people you will have something in common on those grounds. Such places are more friendly than school gates/gatherings.

SweetErmengarde · 11/07/2014 10:54

I know exactly what you mean, OP and yes, it does suck when people are thoughtless and rude.

Personally, I detest the school gate mob and prefer to expend my tolerance for socialising on people who are friends based on personalities rather than happening to have children the same age.

Thumbwitch · 11/07/2014 10:58

Yes I know what you mean and similar used to happen to me too.

The worst sort of thing was whenever I was in a group of people, work colleagues with whom I got on well, or friends, or even family - and I'd be talking about something, taking my turn in the conversation and it would be as if I wasn't speaking - someone else would just start talking over the top of me, sometimes on a completely different topic, and everyone would immediately listen to them instead of me!
Used to upset me quite a lot.
Now I just shut up and think "ah well, if you don't want to hear it then I can't be bothered to say it."

MooncupGoddess · 11/07/2014 11:03

This sort of thing happens to everyone... especially in an unstructured environment with lots of people milling about, some who know each other and others who don't. I'm sure that even the world's most fascinating and socially skilled people get accidentally snubbed on occasion!

Really - don't let it worry about you. You sound fine!

NeedToGrowAThickerSkin · 11/07/2014 11:06

Thanks, everyone. It does make me feel better knowing that it isn't just me that this happens to!

FWIW it is not a particularly cliquey school and I don't think any of the people involved were actually trying to be rude - at worst I think they were just thoughtless. I also think that I am more attuned to "negative" social cues than "positive" ones.

Ironically, I had a much more "sod 'em", happy-with-my-own-company attitude before I had DCs. Now I feel like I need to make the effort, partly so that the DCs see me interacting with others, and partly so my un-sociableness doesn't impact on their social life!

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arsenaltilidie · 11/07/2014 11:25

I think it happens to everyone and you have probably done it without realising it. I probably do it to people I'm actually closer to than people I don't know.
Unless it's very important, once the topic is over then just move on to the next topic.
Be a bit more relaxed, most people don't care.

Walkacrossthesand · 11/07/2014 12:07

In fact, as a matter of principle now, if I'm telling someone something and we are interrupted, I don't pick up my story again unless/until they specifically ask me 'so, Walk, you were saying??' - as I would do if the situation were reversed. It's very affirming, and protects you from the kind of unintended slight you describe.

Ringsender2 · 11/07/2014 15:54

This sort of thing happens to everyone... especially in an unstructured environment with lots of people milling about, some who know each other and others who don't. I'm sure that even the world's most fascinating and socially skilled people get accidentally snubbed on occasion!

Really - don't let it worry you. You sound fine!

^^ this

I have done the accidental 'snubbing', and I know I've been on the receiving end too. I have apologised to the 'snubbee' when I have realised that I've done it, but I'm sure that I haven't always noticed. I guess because I am not so conscious of it or invested, then it doesn't bother me unduly when it happens to me. If I were feeling low, then is likely that it would bother me - the same event can be totally different depending on the perspective it's viewed from. (Wasn't there a famous physicist with a metaphorical cat who stated something along these lines??!!) Smile

Walkacrossthesand · 11/07/2014 16:04

Shrodinger's your man,'ringsender Smile

newnamesamegame · 11/07/2014 17:55

Yes it happens to absolutely everyone. The difference between "confident" people and others is the amount of time they spend thinking about it.

I used to be very much like you up until the age of about 20 and would agonise over what people thought and whether I had done something wrong or if I was just different from ogre people so I totally understand this.

But long exposure to these situations (plus having had to do this for work) has taught me you can't afford to spend time worrying about this. It happens to all the confidence people too, they just learn to move on quicker.

Not trying to be smug, btw, am not naturally confident. Just old and have been round the block :)

newnamesamegame · 11/07/2014 17:55

Other people. Not ogre people (wtf)

mrsvilliers · 11/07/2014 18:28

Yes, this happens to me and despite being forced into being a socially confident person through work it still makes me feel about 12 and the least interesting person there! Tbh if it happens I just let what I was saying go and if the other person wants to hear the end they tend to ask. Although sometimes not sob

lovingmatleave · 11/07/2014 20:51

very similar things have happened to me. I have learned that some people are just so rude they don't realise they are doing it. Anyone with manners would at least try and include the other person in conversation even if a just oh sorry to butt in I was just wanting quick word with x, or wait till I had finished my sentence. I now just think you rude bitch!!!

I have a good friend who know loads of people I don't and when they come up to her if I am with her, she will always say oh this is x we were just talking about such and such. Doesn't take much to do and lets the other person in, without cutting me off, we have a quick oh yes blah de blah and then I can usually judge if they want to talk about something else and that is fine with me. Such a nicer way to do things.

CMOTDibbler · 11/07/2014 20:59

It happens to me too. I walk away as soon as someone interrupts if its not proceeded by 'hi x, hi cmot, sorry to interrupt but I just needed to ask x' sort of thing. It makes me feel in control

BouncyBabe98 · 11/07/2014 21:04

Unfortunately I think I fit in the 'no self respect clingy hanger on type' but that is just how I deal with social situations.

I have had a few 'snubs' but I just try and act like I have not noticed although I must admit that it does hurt.

To the outside world I must seem like some of the most socially confident and happy person in the world but I am not.

I crave time to myself which I do not get a lot of. Socially being a Mum has been hell for me. Forced friendships are not really my thing but I seem compelled to go at it with full force attending lots of mothers groups.

I do not feel like myself at all. Sounds awful but I can't wait for my DC to be a bit older so I can go to work (I am not working at the moment as DC only small and want to be there for him as much as possible).

I do miss work - do you work OP? Maybe you just need to seek friendships doing something you enjoy or are interested in.

I must seem like a crazy lady at the mothers groups - I cope with the social anxiety in situations by talking a lot... prob too much. I do worry about how I appear a lot.

NeedToGrowAThickerSkin · 11/07/2014 23:46

Thanks all, you've confirmed my suspicion that I need to get a grip and stop over-thinking these things! Grin

newname if I was 20 my lack of social ease might be more understandable. Unfortunately I am waaaay older than 20 so really have no excuse.

BouncyBabe I do work and am genuinely very confident at work because I know I am bloody good at my job and therefore have the confidence to expect others to listen to my opinion in a work context. It's just social situations that make me revert to self-conscious teenager mode.

Walk and CMOT I like the idea of regaining control by walking away or not resuming a story if interrupted, must remember that for next time Smile.

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Bobulate · 12/07/2014 00:38

Actually, I think they all sound incredibly ill mannered and you need to find some friends who aren't overtly rude Flowers.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 12/07/2014 00:54

I have a dad friend in my DS's school who is brilliant at dealing with this...

I've heard him say "Can I just stop you there?" and then outstare people who butt in, and also very loudly "Obviously person X has something urgent to say to you, if you'll excuse me I'm going to speak to Y, lovely to see you...." over the top of the conversation stealer.

And he has a super posh accent so they find it intimidating.

I just hang around with him at school now. I cannot be arsed to make chitchat.

newnamesamegame · 12/07/2014 09:43

ThickerSkin the age thing is irrelevant. Its an attitude thing.

You need to get to a state of mind where it doesn't matter what these people do or say and it doesn't enter your thought processes. Its irrelevant if they ignored you or talked over the top of you for a bit. Its just irrelevant. If someone is a twat to you or just slightly rude, its their problem, not yours.

This doesn't mean become someone without any self-awareness or consideration for others, it just means you need to learn to switch that part of your brain off which goes into overdrive after these interactions that is going "did they ignore me on purpose?/were they bitching about me afterwards?/do they think I'm a twat?" You have to actually repeat in your own head, again and again and again, if necessary, that it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter it doesnt matter. Brainwash yourself out of caring what they think.

The less you worry about it, the more confident you will be and the more people will pick up on this. I guarantee it.

I know its easier said than done. I had to do it because I moved around a lot as a young adult and then more recently for work. You can probably find courses to help with this though if its a problem.

OnesEnough · 12/07/2014 10:38

Grown adults whispering in front of you. That's very rude. Don't expect too much from this pair!

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