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Feeling stuck (REALLY long but please help)

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weegiewummin · 08/07/2014 23:18

Long time lurker but really need some sensible and balanced advice. I have been with H for 10 years.
Current Situation: We have a 1yo DS, are not well off, he is (mildly) bipolar and I have both extensive family and comparatively personal history of MH problems. We have no family around us at all. I have a small but supportive (if not all that hands on) group of close friends, H has pretty much no one. He works in a demanding and stressful (but not critical) job, which has recently gotten much worse- lots of extra hours and stress. I am trying to get a decent job after making a bit of wrong turn career wise. We are moving house at the end of the month which means I am trying to learn to drive from scratch in 3 weeks. On a budget. In short a bit of a powder keg.
Issue: I really do not know if this relationship is functional or healthy anymore. We have always tended towards the volatile scale, usually MH related, H has cheated once in the past, I am very prone to vitriolic outbursts when I am hurting. H had a problem with smoking weed that took 2 or 3 years to properly resolve. After DS was born I had the implant inserted, which really seriously affected my MH, I was incredibly demanding, short tempered, felt like I was constantly being wronged. H stuck around but only barely, went AWOL on a night when DS had bronchiolitis and I was literally on the edge of breakdown. I sought help from GP before eventually realising it could be the implant, had it removed and felt almost instantly better.
Since then we have had good days and bad days. But he cannot seem to forgive me for everything that happened. He casts up my previous behaviour at every chance, and any time I try to discuss housework or care of our DS he flies off the handle saying I always criticise him. Which is probably true to a certain extent. He seems to have NO standards in any aspect of his life. To give you an idea, he is a 35 yo man who has to be cajoled into washing his hands after using the bathroom, and to change his underwear or shower. He is barely capable of dressing and feeding DS appropriately despite having had sole care of him 2 days a week for a long time now. I have to beg and entreat him to take DS anywhere, and I have, after a night shift, discovered a hungry, frustrated DS whining at bedroom door at perfectly reasonable time of morning while H refused to get out of bed. There has been no affection between us recently at all, I suspect he has not been taking his medication, and tonight he began shoving me around in a temper.
Well done if you have made this far. And I suspect you are probably thinking I should run for the hills BUT I wonder if I am guilty of a level of EA abuse myself. I do not trust him. Mainly because I catch him lying often. I monitor his spending because there have been occasions we could not pay bills because he had been on a bender (or checked into a hotel in a fit of pique ffs). I think I love him, but it feels like we are both just out for ourselves and to score points against each other.
BUT I cannot leave him. I know I could not cope as a single mother with no family. I know I could not give my DS a stable home life and I am terrified the whole sorry cycle of messy upbringing and broken offspring repeats itself. My conscience would never allow me to prevent him seeing DS, but I could never trust him unsupervised. And I honestly think what is left of my heart would break if we broke up. But I do not see how it fixable. He will not talk to me about any of it, I barely listen even if he did.
I keep hoping this is just the result of the stress we are under and that if the stress went away we would be okay again. But I do not know how to get my trust and respect for him back.
If you read even half of this thank you. Any advice appreciated.

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weegiewummin · 08/07/2014 23:40

Am I right? Is it me that is abusive and no one wants to say?

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Anomaly · 08/07/2014 23:50

He's shoving you around? Then yes he's physically abusive and therefore no doubt emotionally abusive too. You can't stay with someone who is like this. If nothing else what kind of a relationship are you modelling for your son?

justiceofthePeas · 08/07/2014 23:52

Shoving you about is abuse.
Your behaviour towards him was not good either but you say it is over now?
Nonetheless your previous behaviour does not make it ok for him to abuse you now. Two wrongs don't make a right they just make a horribly toxic situation to bring a child up in.

Perhaps you should both seek counselling, individually.
I take it he won't see gp?

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 08/07/2014 23:54

A lot of your post resonated with me. I didn't think I could cope on my own with 2 DCs then aged 11 months and 2.3 years. But I did and do.

It's almost 5 years on for me now. ExH behaved very much like yours when caring for the children. He never has them over night. My parents never help me either.

You could try some marriage counselling but I think your situation sounds unsalvageable tbh.

I think if you weren't so afraid you'd walk away. It is possible to cope. Admittedly I ended up on ADs for awhile. Marvellous things they were but when I look at my ex now I wonder what I saw in him and realise how ghastly and damaging an environment it would have been for the kids to grow up in. He sees them once a week for a few hours now. His choice.

Life is so much easier and calmer without him. I have good babysitters and a childminder and help with tax credits. The kids are happier not living in that environment too. There's hope and life without them.

stampymumknows · 09/07/2014 00:01

It sounds untenable to me, in other words yeah, you should LTB, but not right now.

All the stuff you are in the middle of is going to strain your mental health enough. Wait a bit and get information, resources and an exit plan sorted.

It can't hurt though to see the GP about your mental health and find out about counselling straight away.

Good luck.

weegiewummin · 09/07/2014 00:05

My behaviour towards him is better but I am still quite critical and I do not trust him so it do tend to be quite controlling.
You are right about the toxic situation to raise a child. But I am not sure I would be much better at it on my own. Actually I think it would be worse.
We should seek counselling. We have known this for some time. But we honestly could not manage the time or the money. I had to give up my NHS counselling because there was not a suitable time. I am not sure he would go. He is under the care of a Psychiatrist and had a course of therapy with a Psychologist but I think he thinks there is nothing wrong with his behaviour so I don't know how useful it was. So he would likely go to GP but I imagine the outcome would be to tell me the GP thinks it is my issues.
To be honest, the emotional and verbal abuse that had been around recently on both our parts makes the shoving pale in comparison.
It is just so grim and all I have ever wanted is a happy home for my wee boy and I am incapable of providing it.

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antimatter · 09/07/2014 00:10

just to add my comment on he is a 35 yo man who has to be cajoled into washing his hands after using the bathroom - yes, the is how my ex was behaving

some other traits like your but others too

in the end I asked for separation after him being unfaithful

however it took well over 2 years before he moved out - it was very hard but I stuck with it because like you I took wrong turn in my career and was unemployed before finding a job in the career I used to do

what I am trying to say is that there's light at the end of the tunnel!

I also ended up taking AD's for 6 months and going for counseling by myself (after we split).

If he is lying I can't imagine how you can trust him.

My ex had long hours and "demanding" job as well, but those weren't excuses in my eye for him being lazy around the house.

Also - if yo uare going to make your mind that you are separating from him it is likely to give you different perspective as well. And a way forward.

How old is your ds?

weegiewummin · 09/07/2014 00:22

Thank you everyone. I know you are all right, part of me still really hopes you aren't though.
My ds is nearly one and a half. I feel so stupid to have put him in this situation. He was planned, I pushed so hard, I thought he would bring us closer, that H would want to do better for him.
I think deep down I have always thought of getting on the road as prerequisite for taking any action. The move will leave us a tiny bit better off. So really I have started planning my exit. I just cannot bring myself to believe it is the right thing. He lies about my DS which is what hurts me most, he will say he has done things with him that he has not. I feel more comfortable the days he is nursery than at home with his Dad.
Thank you so much for the stories of hope. I honestly thought I was the only one in such a convoluted mess. It helps just knowing there is a way out that does not end horribly.

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antimatter · 09/07/2014 00:30

just take one day at a time!
it will get better

I think it is wrong in the society that "older" mums liek me when I would love to give hand with a little child like yours (and my kids would love it too). But I don't know anyone who has small kids and lives nearby.

We are also away from my family and where I grew up.
I got used to being mostly on my own.
Then I mer my dp, who is steady really nice man. We aren't rushing anything. Just enjoying each others company.
I never thought I would be taking a walk like I did this evening, with my dog (ex never wanted any furry animals at home) and my DP (I never though I would meet someone I would like enough to be spending time with again).

So yes, things will work themselves out and not necessary in the order you would like them to happenGrin

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