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How to keep going despite anxiety / depression about relationship either h

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tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 05:35

Hi

Someone else on Mumsnet was advised to get all their ducks in a row before deciding whether or not to leave their partner and this really resonated with me as h and I have many problems and have for a while. Here is an extract from a recent thread to explain the problem. My question here is, how do I function in this environment where I feel unloved by h and where he thinks unpleasant things about me (like I am lazy etc..). I don't know how to get past feeling incapacitated by how he behaves towards me and by the things he thinks. So how am I going to get my ducks in a row (after which I could see if things had improved as I could address some of the issues h has, or I could start separation proceedings) while endlessly worrying about our problems? Here is the extract:

Thank you for your thoughts. The backstory is here and I realise it's basically a repeat of what I am asking today blush. Things came to a head yesterday again as I was feeling so anxious and low about things between h and I in general (we have had a couple of arguments over the past two weeks where h is basically unpleasant, swearing etc.. and lots of withdrawing and not really talking - which he never does anyway) and I was walking to the post office with a horrible knot in my stomach kind of hyperventilating.

So I rang h yesterday in tears and he did stay on the phone to battle it out (which he would never normally do). However the things he was saying have not made me feel better. There is truth to some of it but I sense no love. Basically he said that:

I am bored and need to work and that when I am working I won't spend so much time worrying about stuff like this - kind of true.

That I am always resentful of something and if not this then it will be something else - I suppose there is an element of truth to this.

That I am lazy - not true and very hurtful but true that, as my sister put it, I sometimes "get paralysed by things and get less done than [I] could through lack of self belief".

That I think I am above cleaning certain parts of the house.

That he is rude to me and not to other people because I challenge and "niggle" him constantly.

That the mess in the kids' bedrooms (it is true, they are messy) mean that he cannot be affectionate etc.. (or words to that effect).

That he cannot put himself in the vulnerable position of having my name on the deeds as he does not want to be dictated to (he and his first wife got divorced and she got the large family home (her son was his stepson) whereas he got the smaller business with flat on top. He is incredibly resentful of this.

That he would love to "sit" like me and I go and do the work that he does (physical).

I kept on banging on about how I look after the kids and don't feel that what I do is in any way recognised. At that I don't think he loves me. He did not say anything to this.

He referred to some of my friends as "fucking idiots" because a long time ago one of my friends blanked him here at our house on a few occasions. Not entirely sure why she did this but he went ballistic at me afterwards saying she was not to come here. He is very easily hurt and bears a grudge for a long time.

He said that I had suggested us selling the family home ("his" home) so that I could get my name on the next house (it's true that I did say the next house we buy should be in joint names but that was a long time after starting to tell him that the way out of the hard life he leads would be to sell the house, but he wants to do things a different way and he holds all the cards).

I think he has little concept of how insecure I feel. And also low, so that I cannot function properly. He said he does not care how other couples run things (basically on a more equitable basis). Also that I will get part of my Dad's house (hopefully in a long time, the thought of my Dad not being here is very frightening and sad) so I am alright. Which is so not the point. I don't really understand what my role here is. H is not mean in the sense that he works hard to pay the mortgage and in a sense I have more cash on a day to day basis (and also went through a phase, round about the time my mother died 7 years ago, of spending too much money (it was my money but maybe that is not the point and I would do things differently now) and h is still very resentful of this - I have also bought lots for the house and paid for holidays / extras for kids with the money that my Mum left me which is now finished). Sorry - very convoluted sentence.

I basically do not know how to overcome my feeling of depression, inertia and anxiety and do not know what to do for the best. I do not want to be a bit player on h's ship. He maintains that he is not in control either but that is not how I see it. He could sell anything if he so desired. Leave everything to whomever he wants. I feel that I have devoted 12 years to being a SAHM but that I have no assurance as to whether h cares one iota as to what might happen to me were he to die.

Anyway, if you do think IABU (or parts of what I say), please tell me gently!

I do want to work. But I want to work towards something concrete for my own future that I have to look after, not for pocket money to be spent in the context of someone else's life.

Yesterday h said that I should find an internet based job (like translation) so that I can do drop offs and pick ups and be here when the kids are ill.

Yesterday I heard him mumbling "fuck off" and "get out" to himself while upstairs and am convinced he was talking about me sad. So I feel that he needs me here to have someone to look after the kids and that is it.

If you have read this far, thank you Smile]!

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tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 05:36

about relationship WITH h Hmm

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Coughle · 04/07/2014 05:52

Are you the op from the extract? If not, you might get more relevant responses if you post regarding your specific situation.

tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 06:01

Yes sorry I am the OP from the extract.

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tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 06:03

(It was a recent thread of mine and all my current issues are really the same ones - the "ducks in a row" comment was from somebody else's thread).

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dollius · 04/07/2014 06:08

Your "d"H is a total twat and I am not surprised you feel insecure. If he didn't want to share "his" earnings, he shouldn't have got married.

As for you getting an "internet job", how jolly convenient for him!

Unfortunately for him, what he doesn't seem to realise is that it doesn't matter if your name is not on the deeds. If you are married, you will get your share of it in a divorce anyway.

whatdoesittake48 · 04/07/2014 06:28

I have an Internet job. I am a writer and believe me it doesn't get easier once you are earning. I feel very torn constantly. Hassled because the housework is not done and stressed because my work is not done. Now I have the additional stress of snipes about how much I earn.
An abusive husband will find fault no matter what.
I also feel the stress and anxiety at times. It is a matter of detaching and letting it all go over your head. Say to yourself that he isn't talking about me. Recognise that nothing you do will change his dissatisfaction regarding you. Just get on with your own life taking the necessarybaby towards freedom.

whatdoesittake48 · 04/07/2014 06:29

Sorry. That was baby steps towards freedom

FrontForward · 04/07/2014 06:35

I think the misery of your life now is not going to change on its own. He wants to exist with you as a discardable option because that makes him feel more secure (not being on deeds etc). As another person has pointed out, in a divorce, marriage means everything is jointly owned anyway so he is being obstinate which is pointless and hurtful. It does however tell you a lot about his commitment

I think your husband has made some points which you yourself have recognised have some truth about them and I think you should work on moving forward with those. It's small points but e.g. working is often good for self esteem and stops the endless worrying that can come with staying at home.

Getting your ducks in order means seeing a solicitor. Life is too short to wait hoping he will change. You need to make the change. It's painful but gets better.

FrontForward · 04/07/2014 06:37

By work...I mean work that is done outside of home, meeting people and having colleagues. Yes it's difficult with children but a massive workforce consists of mothers and single mothers so it's not impossible.

tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 09:19

Thanks for your thoughts. I am looking for techniques I can use to not mind if my h behaves unpleasantly or thinks not very nice things about me. An example (amongst many) is when I had been shopping early in the morning before getting the kids up to go to school. I had got quite a lot of food but h asked (never nicely this kind of thing) if I had got lemons (which he likes but are somehow not on my radar). When I said no he told dd1 that "Mummy never gets anything nice". I did defend myself on that occasion but it is very deflating and robs me of productive energy.

Or the instance in which he was taking the kids to the park and wanted dd2 to go on ds1's scooter. I said she was too small for it (as per manufacturer's instructions), and he shouted at me aggressively telling me not to tell him what to do and not to say STUPID things. I felt very hurt after that. Things like that mean that I withdraw and I am now sleeping in another room. This kind of push and pull between us has been happening for a long time.

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tisrainingagain · 04/07/2014 09:23

frontforward I like your "discardable option" theory.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/07/2014 09:26

"I am looking for techniques I can use to not mind if my h behaves unpleasantly or thinks not very nice things about me"

There is no technique that will help you think like that; shutting it out or turning a blind eye to it will only damage you more. Its not just you who is being affected either because your children are also unfortunate enough to witness their dad abusing their mother on a regular basis. He openly berates you in front of these children.

It will and is emotionally harming your children to be seeing all this; you cannot even begin to protect them from the effects of his abuse against you. Do you want them growing up to think that all this is "normal"; this is how adults behave towards each other in relationships?

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