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No-one happy, don't know if can mend relationship. Sorry=Long

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neverknow · 30/06/2014 14:42

Feel silly posting but I feel like I could use a neutral view. I don’t post very often on tricky issues so if you could go easy I’d appreciate it kind mumsnetters. Sorry for the long post.
I live with my partner of 15+ years. We have two wonderful small children under 5. Things are really strained between us. I can’t really pinpoint where things began to go so downhill but I now don’t really know how to turn things around or if I should keep hoping to. I’m embarrassed to say things have maybe always had their ups and downs. Maybe we shouldn’t have continued and had children but that is hindsight now I’m afraid.
We just don’t seem to be able to talk or relate happily any more. We are not intimate and barely have any physical contact now. I am sad about that though have never been brilliant at that side of our relationship so I know it hurts him even more than me. I feel he’s always felt I didn’t love him as much as he me. I wasn’t brought up in a very emotive family so find a lot of that difficult though have been forced to be more vocal now we have children.
There are flash points at times when he or I disagree with the way we are managing the children.
Our youngest is a difficult sleeper and I am still nursing (I didn’t intend to but am stuck). That causes tensions because when DC2 wakes, nursing is what DC2 wants. It has led to me nearly always putting DC2 down for sleep and inevitable sleeping in a bed in their room after the first wake. I think he would prefer I leave DC to cry or, me to disappear so he can ‘sort it out’ but I just feel so awful leaving DC and find that very, very hard, as does DC2. I have been trying to be out more evenings so that DC2 can be put to bed by him. It is fairly fine as long as I am not in, it’s when I am being 'withheld' that it’s really hard and I find it hard to hack screaming weak.
So, all of that may not seem to be the death of everything but it feels like we are not in a relationship together, just existing for the children. My partner is clearly miserable and perhaps 3 evenings a week drinks a bottle of wine. He is also harming himself physically. He did this when he was much younger (before ‘us’) but has been doing it often once a week that I can tell. I don’t know how to talk about it with him. I’ve tried to speak about everything via email which sounds crap but we used to communicate via letter a lot when we began so I thought it would scare me less and be less confrontational to him. He doesn’t reply, although replied drunk to the last one is a rather odd way. I’ve broached counselling through these. I’ve begun to do some Relate over the phone. I've not told any family or near by friends about the extent of things.
I have had mental health issues in my late teenage years which involved a stay away from home, this included self-harming. I don’t deal with things like this now. I am not sure what to do, how to turn things around or if there is something left to turn around. I know I can't bear the thought of being without the children and am assuming neither can he.

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calypsogogo · 30/06/2014 15:16

I don't have any advice, I'm afraid. But I didn't want your post to go unanswered and perhaps this will bump it for someone else to reply.

It does sound as if counselling could help though - if you're struggling with communicating with each other, having a third party to facilitate that can really help. Do you think your DP would be open to that? Has he responded to your suggestions of counselling in any way?

neverknow · 30/06/2014 15:22

Thank you calypso. I have touched on counseling before but he kind of actively dislikes that kind of thing, its as if it should all either work or we lump it. No meddling.
I went to counseling myself a few years ago and he felt sad that I needed it I think and maybe a bit jealous or cynical but I am putting words into his mouth there. I also have no clue how we would practically go but would work it out if he would.

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fooogle · 30/06/2014 15:45

oops.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/06/2014 15:45

I think the MH issues are the top priority here. Alcohol abuse and self-harm are serious problems and, until those are addressed properly, the rest of the issues you mention are not going to get any better. He certainly needs to talk to a GP and quite urgently. Ideally, he'd take the initiative but if he's suffering from depression, you may have to get the GP to come and assess him at home instead.

If he can't or won't seek help for his problems then you'll have to take a tough line and prioritise looking after yourself and your DCs.

Do tell someone you trust what is really going on. It is very isolating & stressful to keep someone else's secret for them.

neverknow · 30/06/2014 15:52

Thanks Cogito. I am really reticent to bring in other parties. He would really hate me for doing that. Am I right that that is a lot to drink? I don't even really know anymore as I barely drink at all now. I did mention the GP or counseling for him in the last attempt at communication but kind of think that is why I got a brief but odd reply which was kind of mocking talking about things.
I have told several friends in text messages and they are supportive but far away. Day to day stuff just carries on for them and me despite the dramas and it all feels a bit unreal. I feel like if he is depressed it is as a result of us and feel responsible but also part of the problem not the solution.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/06/2014 15:56

A bottle of wine is too much in one hit and alcohol is a depressant. So on any level it's a bad idea for someone who is already depressed and self-harming.

If he scorns ideas of counselling or GPs etc and you don't feel comfortable calling someone in or asking for help on his behalf then I'm afraid you have to present him with a stark choice. Otherwise you're going to be further and further crushed and your family will suffer.

neverknow · 30/06/2014 16:11

Its hard for me to see things as 'that bad' as to me self harm is not normal but normalized as I did it myself. But I also know it is addictive as is alcohol use. I just feel really guilty like I've basically broken him somehow and it seems cruel to then bring in the accusatory help or tough stance. I don't know what the alternative is though.
I must say that the drinking and the harming are done late into the evening and are hidden from the children.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/06/2014 16:56

You're reduced to e-mailing each other - in his case pissed Hmm It doesn't matter that it's hidden from the children, your relationship is heading for a brick wall, you're both miserable, the atmosphere in your home can't be good and everyone will be negatively affected.

neverknow · 30/06/2014 17:11

Right of course...
So do you think I have to say if no counselling or no dr approach from him then we need to separate? What does a dr do if I ask them to come to us? What do they do if he goes bit won't engage?

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Matildathecat · 30/06/2014 17:33

Surely there are small ways you can try to improve things yourself? You admit being totally wrapped up in the dc which is perfectly understandable, but maybe he's feeling lost and unloved. When did you last smile at him, touch his arm, kiss him goodnight or goodbye? Tell him you love him, even? All these sorts of things are habits really and you could fake it until you make it IYSWIM? Not in a crap way but an honest attempt to reconnect.

Book dinner together, discuss anything except the dc. Lots of ways of doing it. Marriage and partnerships are full of intimacies that are non sexual. You could start by making a concerted effort and hopefully he will respond. He does sound depressed so maybe your attention will convince him to deal with this.

In a few years the dc will be grown. Hopefully the relationship will still be there but at this stage you do, sometimes need to prioritise your partner just a little.

Start by smiling at him?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 30/06/2014 18:29

I think you have to impress upon him that the relationship is in such bad shape and he's in such bad shape (reduced to e-mailing each other, the booze, the self-harm etc) that, unless something significant changes or he gets help, there isn't going to be a future for you together. The way to deliver this is what I call more in sorrow than in anger ... not accusatory or threatening but simply stating the sad facts.

You can talk to a doctor about the behavioural problems and ask their advice. They may offer a home visit to do a mental health assessment - that's what happened when I contacted the GP about a relative - or they . If he is uncooperative then you don't have a lot of remaining choices.

You said earlier that you think that having children was probably a mistake because things had been rocky for a while. It could be that apart you are healthier and happier whereas together you bring each other down....

neverknow · 30/06/2014 19:51

matilda, prob right need to make more effort, just feel like we try for a bit then give up repeatedly. Yes wrapped up in children in a way I never thought possible but just happened in trying to do things right...
cogito perhaps better off apart, I genuinely have no clue anymore.

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