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follow-up to last night's problem lodger update

44 replies

peachgirl · 27/06/2014 23:48

A bit of history for anyone wanting to catch up; Post One and Post Two.

Tonight, heart pounding, I went to the flat with my mum. From the moment I opened the door, it was obvious that no one was in, so I went into the kitchen, where I had left my second note to Spencer and Sweetie, and found a note from them in return:

"*My name,
Sweetie and I received your note however we are both away this weekend and leaving straight from work. Sweetie is working Monday night, therefore it might be best to talk Tuesday?
[Sweetie working on Monday night isn't unusual, as she does it every week. This part didn't concern me, but...]

Text me on [number] and let us know what works for you!
[This is a blatant mockery of my phrasing from my first note, when I ended almost the exact same sentence with an exclamation mark because I thought a full-stop made it sound too much like an imperative.]

My reaction last night expressed disappointment and hurt towards a note you left us asking us to move out. You had all evening to talk to us or indeed wait until the next day to speak to us face to face. Coming home late on Tuesday to a small note hanging on our door was upsetting.
[This is pretty much what he kept repeating when we had our "conversation" (when he was 'full of rage'), despite me saying that I left the note because I wanted to give them as much notice as possible and let them know that evening. Also, take note he's still demanding me to acknowledge that what I did was wrong, wrong, WRONG; good luck there mate.]

Your latest note makes me feel like a criminal for no reason. Statements such as "I'm not comfortable being around you alone at the moment" are unfair and unjustified. I made several attempts after quickly sharing my thoughts [CAN WE ALL JUST LOL AT THIS FOR A MOMENT] to pause the conversation and save it for another day but you persisted to badger me.
[Let's just reflect... him furiously aiming accusations at me, and me giving reasons for each action he had fault with, counts as me 'badgering' him. As for 'quickly sharing my thoughts'... HAHAHAHA.]

Regardless of who said or did what this all could have been avoided and a lot easier if you spoke to us. [Translation: admit you were wrong. YOU WERE WRONG BECAUSE I SAY SO. I AM THROWING MY TOYS OUT OF THE PRAM.] Perhaps we should all draw a line in the sand and talk about it on Tuesday as we should have done to begin with.
[Translation: You're still wrong, and I'm angry because I'm a control freak who doesn't feel in control of this situation and I'm having a major tantrum.]

Speak soon, have a good weekend."
[Translation: go fuck yourself.]

My mum is also raging because, as she rightly puts it, there's nothing to actually talk about. I own the flat, and I've asked them to leave, that's all there is to it. Mum thinks he so desperately wants this talk because he wants to try and regain some control over the situation, and I agree. Well, he's got another thing coming. I won't deny that I'm still scared of him but now it's slowly turning into anger. I'm FURIOUS. He's not going to find me easy to bend, and I'm certainly not breaking, not with my entire family behind me (even my grandma, who arrived from Birmingham on Wednesday, and whose first words to me were "I've bought my boxing gloves, for your mate").

I'm at my flat now, with the door securely bolted - you can't enter once it's bolted from the inside. Tomorrow I'm seeing my parents and trying to make a concrete plan of action. My mum has told me not to be hasty but I'm adamant that at the slightest hint of him losing control when we (eventually) have our talk, they're getting booted out.

As far as living arrangements, I'm not sleeping here while either of them are here. Despite my mum's protests, I've not the smallest doubt that the second he tries to start any bullshit, they are GOING. I live on the same road as two language schools, and there are three more within a five minute walk (I work as an EFL teacher but not in the are where I live). During the summer season, host families are in extremely high demand and it'll be no hassle to get a nice female student in for six weeks. It won't pay as much as they currently do, but it'll be worth it.

This morning, at my parents' house, I woke up for the first time in weeks purely because I woke up, not because of numerous doors slamming. It was utter bliss.

OP posts:
mipmop · 28/06/2014 12:22

You sound as though you're generally very non-confrontational, but you've been pushed and pushed and finally realise that the situation is intolerable. Non-confrontational people can go from quietly hoping a situation goes away to out of control with rage- they're two ends of the spectrum of not being able to assert your views and negotiate effectively. Long-term, assertiveness training will probably help.

In the meantime, don't leave, change the locks, pack their stuff for them and they can collect it at the door. Sweetie is well aware of his behaviour - she'll have seen it with others and will have heard his disparaging remarks about you. So they both know what's happened, even if they don't admit it.

doziedoozie · 28/06/2014 13:03

Lodger, from the bit I have read, seems a passive-aggressive, gas-lighting nutter who you need to stop debating or trying to reason with, you need him out, txt him you want him out on Tuesday, any trouble and you will call the police.

You seem worried about what everyone thinks of you! And naively think he is trying to have sensible conversations with you. No, he is manipulating you and you need rid of as soon as.

Clutterbugsmum · 28/06/2014 13:11

I agree doziedoozie, I think OP shouldn't get involved in any other discussions with the lodgers.

OP you have told them twice you want them out ASAP. From what you have said it sounds like he thinks YOUR FLAT is his and you are his lodger.

SauvignonBlanche · 28/06/2014 13:39

Do not leave YOUR flat, you'll be playing right into his hands.

BrianTheMole · 28/06/2014 13:43

He sounds like a weak pathetic arse who is gas-lighting you, because he knows he can get away with it. Set a date, asap, for them to go. Text him the date politely, and ignore any other communication with him. Say, I have made my position clear, there is nothing else to discus. Repeat as necessary. Do not get drawn in. Get someone to stay at the flat with you until they leave. Warn the police that there might be a problem on leaving day in case you need help. Stay strong. Do not let your guard down and be drawn in to this shite. This is your house, he is your lodger and an arse. Soon he will be your ex lodger.

BrianTheMole · 28/06/2014 13:46

You don't deserve this op, and you're better than this. You need to respect yourself more. He is not respecting you in your home. He needs to go. Your wellbeing is important. Repeat this to yourself.

Oldraver · 28/06/2014 15:37

Give them notice now, say you want them out Monday morning. No entering into any discussion. I would also not leave your flat just in care they lock you out

HenI5 · 28/06/2014 15:51

OP in addition to the advice you've been given here there are some things to fix in your mind

  1. you are not running a hotel or a commercial b & b etc. These people are lodging IN YOUR HOME. You're not obliged to have anyone in your home if you don't want them there
  1. the lodgers continued presence in your home is not up for negotiation or explanation, you have already informed them that the arrangement is at an end and they need to leave
  1. you don't have to explain yourself and you owe them nothing - would you keep eating food you dislike or wearing clothes that no longer suit you? no, and it's no more than that
  1. your feelings are compromised and you feel a bit bad as she's OK. He's her choice, but not yours and you don't want to live with him, so therefore they both have to go. It's not your fault and it's not your problem

You need to take all the emotion out of the situation, stop being wound up by it and tell it like it is.
The money side of it's a different set of issues, but they can be overcome, so don't even get the two mixed up together.

LisaMed · 28/06/2014 15:56

Have you got any proof that you live there and own it on you?

Bit of a stretch, but they theoretically could lock you out by changing the locks.

It may be a good idea to go back with reinforcements and make sure that anything important is out of the way of any slamming and crashing. Good luck

eddielizzard · 28/06/2014 17:48

you're doing the right thing! hang in there.

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/06/2014 16:56

Good grief. Why is this being dragged out for so long. Changing the locks takes minutes.

Clutterbugsmum · 01/07/2014 07:22

Hope tonight goes ok and they are gone ASAP.

Try not to get into any discussions, just stick with I want you both to go as I have now told you twice.

Keep your phone handy and phone the police should he start screaming and threatening with you.

justjuanmorebeer · 01/07/2014 15:43

They have still not left? huh?

NadiaWadia · 02/07/2014 04:45

Any update OP? Hope they have left or at least are about to?
I know confrontation is horrible.

WildBillfemale · 02/07/2014 07:11

OK you live there so you can ask them to leave whenever and they have to go.
If you didn't live there getting them out would be a whole other story.

I Know someone who had fairly similar issues and involved the police on the day the lodger was moving out as they expected trouble.

Use your free half hour with a solicitor to check your position, if you've asked them to leave in writing and they won't go phone the police - time for action! Make sure you are there at your property with someone else when they leave and hand the keys back.

WildBillfemale · 02/07/2014 07:21

Just read thread 1 and 2 - You are no longer staying in your own home because of your aggressive lodger?! Discussion time is over, no more notes!

Time to pack their stuff, change the locks, call them and tell them they have 3 hours to pick it up or to send a friend to pick it up. Before you do this speak to the police and tell them the situation and that the lodger has been threatening in the past and is refusing to leave. Remember it's your home! Get this bullying scum out!

MissMarplesBloomers · 02/07/2014 07:39

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Clutterbugsmum · 03/07/2014 07:19

Hope you are ok peachgirl, and at the very least your lodger are going asap.

Clutterbugsmum · 04/07/2014 20:43

Any news

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