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Bullying Mediator - Has anyone else experienced similar? does mediation work for Women?

16 replies

Highlandheath · 24/06/2014 12:51

I am divorcing my husband for domestic and sexual violence. Although I haven't pressed charges, after the most recent attack I went to The Haven and submitted to an examination by a forensic examiner. They took statements and the evidence - of which there was plenty - which was stored in case I do decide to press charges later. As a result of the injuries I sustained during the most recent, and only documented, attack Social services became involved, frightened of what they might impose on him my husband agreed to move out. I went to a lawyer who advised mediation. My husband is very keen on mediation, he loves to see me squirm. The Mediator (a man, quite elderly, former barrister calls himself a "family man" but then, so does my husband!, went throuigh the check list, "domestic violence?" "yes", "describe" I did "ugh, stop" he said, made copious notes on the back of the check in form, and then proceeded to tell me that women like me in my area of SW London didn't realise how lucky we were, if I wanted a divorce I had to lower my expectations, my daughter needn't be brought up like a polo playing princess and just because I have been privately educated doesn't mean children should be.... "I have NEVER been privately educated" I replied, and "my daughter has never played polo, my children are in or are heading towards state schools already" "I think I know my market" he said. He then told me I would have to sell the house, and asked what work I could do - as with many controlling husbands my husband has made it difficult, and at times impossible for me to work. The most recent attack was, I don't believe by coincidence, two days before a job interview. I want to work, but at 49 don't stand much chance of accumulating much of a pension, and my husband and his family coerced me into selling my nest egg, a flat I had bought before I met the "family man" the rent of which was my only independent income. I sound tough but this man reduced me to tears, got me to sign the Check in document "hurry up now, your husband is waiting outside" I couldn't face looking over the documents until 3 days later, and then I noticed he had ticked the "No" box on "domestic violence" When I emailed to query this he said "I would have thought the word "no" was self explanatory" He had noted on the back my description of the violence, and had clearly judged my statements to be untrue... I have asked for a copy of the complaints procedure, he is the complaints procedure. I, for onem, have no confidence in the value of mediation for any woman who is economically dependent on her husband. And it is absolutely not possible in any relationship where there is any form of coercion, control or abuse.

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Amethyst24 · 24/06/2014 12:56

Wow, that's absolutely appalling. Could you contact Resolution for some advice? www.resolution.org.uk/

hellsbellsmelons · 24/06/2014 13:04

Mediation with an abuser won't work.
You need to press charges.
That way you should get legal aid.
Then you can do any liaising at all through a solicitor.
Do not go to anything to try to be reasonable with this scum bag of a man. It won't get you anywhere other than to make you feel worse.
Not worth it.
Police, press charges, solicitor.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/06/2014 13:05

And contact citizens advice to see how you can make a complaint about the mediation knob-jockey.

dollius · 24/06/2014 13:07
  1. Report the "mediator", that twat deserves to be struck off.
  1. Press charges against your H for the assault. You will be eligible for legal aid for divorce solicitor.
  1. Take him for everything you can and cut all contact.
Miggsie · 24/06/2014 13:07

Mediation does not work with an abusive spouse - they use it as a weapon to instigate more bullying usually with the help of the mediator as the mediator will have no experience of abusive people.

Lundy Bancroft has written quite searing condemnation of counselors and mediators who bully women by believing the man's version and becoming a partner to the abuse.

Don't even consider mediation - anything you say will be used against you.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/06/2014 13:08

Agree with the PPs. The mediator is an apologist for male violence and therefore dangerous. Awful. I suggest you contact Womens Aid 0808 2000 247 for a recommendation of a new solicitor with direct experience of DV cases. Forget mediation now even if it is suggested. Do everything through a solicitor even if it costs more in the end.

Miggsie · 24/06/2014 13:09

Lundy Bancroft's books is called "why does he do that?" and is about abusive and controlling men.
He used to think mediation worked, after 15 years of helping women leave abusive partners and doing couples counselling he now sees it does not work and actually can escalate the level of abuse.

dollius · 24/06/2014 13:09

Oh and get a better lawyer. Any decent divorce lawyer should know very well that mediation is NOT suitable for cases where there is domestic abuse of any sort.

dollius · 24/06/2014 13:11

Yes, Lundy Bancroft counsels abusive men and he says the one thing they all have in common is that they truly believe they are justified in abusing their wives/girlfriends. Therefore, he says, there is no reasoning with them and mediation will NOT work.

Twinklestein · 24/06/2014 13:13

Even if you hadn't had a misogynist prick of a mediator, mediation with an abusive man wouldn't have worked.

If you can face it, I would report him to the head of the mediation body he works for. But - he's not your responsibility at such a stressful time, if you can't face more hassle, that's understandable.

From your username and your area of London I think you may live near a good friend of mine. If you need some support & would like to be put in touch with her, feel free to PM me.

Romeyroo · 24/06/2014 13:38

Agree with previous posters, you need a new solicitor. You should also press charges against your husband.

I'm involved in collaborative law proceedings with my abusive separated husband. Even with two solicitors present in the room, it is awful and nothing is resolved many thousand pounds later - or at least it is verbaly resolved, but he won't sign it off.... If I knew then what I know now I would have proceeded straight to court; because we are likely still going to end up there and the process so far has made me ill.

And yes, report this 'mediator'. Good grief.

Jux · 24/06/2014 14:15

I am so sorry you have been subjected to two abusive bullying men.

Please do report, press charges against ex, and don't waste any more of your time with the other twat. But make sure you make a formal complaint against him too as Courts want to know why you've turned down mediation, which you obviously have to do.

Thanks
fifi669 · 24/06/2014 14:20

DP has had the same with a mediator for child contact. His ex would issue ridiculous demands and when he'd argue against them be told by the mediator 'do you want to see DD or not?'.

I do hear good things of mediation though it hasn't been our view of it at all. I thought rule number one was you don't mediate in an abusive relationship?

I agree to reporting the mediator, sometimes they're a law unto themselves

Longtalljosie · 24/06/2014 16:30

He won't be the complaints procedure, the arrogant prick... I'm sure someone will be along shortly with an accrediting body you can complain to - and I really hope you do

CrazyCatLady13 · 25/06/2014 17:54

I am the office manager for a mediation service and I am begging you, please please report him - you need to find out from his website which organisation he is registered with (might be Resolution, College of Mediators or National Family Mediation) and report. Please don't let this person continue in practice.

We always log when someone says there has been domestic abuse. We never make comments like the mediator did to you about your job situation etc. We also correct anything that the client says is incorrect.

What this person has done is disgusting and vile and he should not be allowed to continue offering mediation.

I hope that helps, PM me if I can be of any help

CrazyCatLady13 · 25/06/2014 18:05

P.S. A quote from the HM Government / Ministry of Justice leaflet about mediation that we issue to all clients:

"What if domestic violence or child abuse are involved?

Cases involving domestic violence or child abuse are not usually right for mediation ........... If you have evidence of domestic violence or child abuse you may qualify for legal aid to pay for a solicitor to help you bring your case to court."

Ring your local Women's Aid and they should be able to let you know which solicitors are offering legal aid for domestic abuse situations. Some WA's also offer free legal clinics once a week but this varies by location and funding / solicitors able to offer their time.

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