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MIL and DH nightmare - help

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Zarabethy · 20/06/2014 09:53

I have a 11-month DD and work full time, though my hours are flexible so I can work long days half the week and short days the rest so I can be at home with DD. DH doesn't work at the moment, so we are completely dependent on my salary, but he's meant to be finishing his degree (though he's not doing much at the moment, partly because understandably it's really tough doing the bulk of looking after DD). I'm still breast feeding on demand and do all the night wakings because of this.

Since the start of the year I've been ill a lot (I have various health problems exacerbated by a bad birth) and haven't been able to take DD as much as I'd hoped on my "short" days. MIL has been coming round to help look after DD. I've been increasingly uncomfortable about this, but we have no other family help (my family are rubbish, but that's another story) and we can't afford paid childcare.

For a while now DH has been repeatedly verbally and emotionally abusive to me, sometimes giving me a shove or blocking my way, shouting at me and name calling - usually obscene or nasty names (mostly at night when I'm not dressed so can't easily get away). We are not getting on well at all - DH claims I don't do enough childcare so he can do his course work; I think he is making excuses (yes looking after DD is hard and he needs some downtime, but he spends it being isolated, making nasty comments at me and playing computer games - house is an absolute tip and food going off in the fridge all the time etc.) I accept that with young children relationships go through a hard time, but I don't pick at him or call him names and his behaviour is downright nasty and he starts shouting at me all the time for no reason, often when I'm holding DD or feeding her. I am very depressed because of it - I don't think it's normal to be called obscene names all the time. And lots of stuff about how I'm a crap mother because I don't do enough childcare for DD (even though I can't help going to work!)

I recently discovered that a lot of this nasty stuff is coming from his mother, who makes repeated poisonous comments about me the while time she is here and has been for months now. DH and I have been going to couples counselling and he to individual counselling as a lot of his anger issues stem from his upbringing - his mother is an extremely odd, difficult person who brought him up on her own in a chaotic and isolated way - think living in caravans, sleeping in cars, no clean bedding or clothes, chaotic eating habits (fast food and biscuits only), social interaction completely discouraged, being dragged from school to school because his mother always fell out with the teachers, and so on. She had access to a bit of family money which I think meant she was able to fly under the radar of SS a lot of the time and not be noticed but DH was quite neglected in many ways, though she is smothering in other ways - she even took him out of school a few times so that he was always at home with her to "keep her company". Both DH and I strongly suspect she has quite a severe undiagnosed ASD - her emotional life is a bit like a child's and she finds it impossible to understand other people's emotions, can't read tones of voice etc. and often gets quite basic things wrong - but she is his only mother and our only family around at the moment, and I wanted DD to have a relationship with her granny so I have been happy for her to come to play with DD (she wanted to and is always turning up at the house without asking anyway).

However, I discovered that a lot of the nasty things DH has been saying have been coming from her - lots of stuff about how I'm not a good mother because I work, DH should be "looked after", I have OCD (I don't - I just get frustrated when DH allows food to go mouldy and things in the house to get too filthy); I'm an evil person and so on. Amongst other things (flu, stomach bug, etc., I've had mastitis three times in the past four months. I'm dog tired and so depressed about being constantly told I'm a bitch and a cunt and I don't do enough by DH, then also told by MIL that I have a mental illness because I don't like to live in complete squalor!
We have a nice house and both strive to give DD home-cooked food, a good routine, bf, nice toys and lots of love - which MIL thinks is being "OCD".

Normally I'd just try not to let MIL bother me but this week she started saying stuff about how DH is not abusive and everything is my fault, all married people call each other nasty names and I am "worse than him as far as she can see" (I'm bloody not!), and I'm mentally ill and lots more rubbish. All the counsellors we have seen agree that DH's behaviour is abusive and he needs to stop it. He is verbally abusive partly because his mother brought him up to think that was okay (no proper boundaries), though of course it is his problem and it's him who is deciding to be abusive, so it's him I primarily hold responsible. But this week I was so upset at being told some of this poisonous stuff by MIL, I snapped and told MIL I wouldn't see her or have her in my house again and I wouldn't allow anyone around my daughter any more who said poisonous and malicious things about me. I was on the verge of throwing DH out too and still am. But I'm now feeling awful about MIL, who despite being a malicious person just isn't really capable of properly understanding adult emotions, and DD then can't see her granny...

I feel so isolated and alone! But I don't want someone around me who normalises and excuses abusive behaviour just as DH is starting to make changes. And it makes the childcare burden even greater for DH if his mum can't even come round for a few hours. But his behaviour does get a lot worse when she's been here.

Am I right to cut off contact with MIL? Any advice or support really appreciated :(

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ChooChooLaverne · 20/06/2014 11:06

Zara - I agree you need to get away from the pair of them.

And on the breastfeeding issue. You need to look after yourself first and foremost and if you want to stop then do so. He "won't allow you to stop breastfeeding" - it's really not up to him though. You're the only one who can or should make this decision.

Zarabethy · 20/06/2014 11:07

I think you're all right - god this is really refreshing to hear, I've been feeling like I'm going mad trying to deal with this. FWIW I don't think MIL's toxic behaviour is because of ASD - I think it is a form of narcissism - but I definitely think she is on the spectrum as her social impairments are so marked.

She definitely does not see DH's childhood as neglectful in any way - there are a whole load of odd things she did even more than I've mentioned here - DH has been trying to say to her for a long time (and before he met me) that he was really damaged by it but she simply won't accept that anything about it was wrong - she just says "he liked it" about everything :(

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ChooChooLaverne · 20/06/2014 11:13

She probably can't/won't see she has done anything wrong. Most abusers don't think they've done anything wrong.

But your DH sounds like he's exactly the same. He's telling her about what she's done wrong to him but seems to be absolving himself of his crappy behaviour towards you/DD.

I think it's time you stopped focusing on their issues and looked after yourself and DD.

gospaniel · 20/06/2014 11:18

You work full time to support your family and come home and get called c*nt. Charming. Your thought to ask him to leave was the right one. If you're out the house and he and his mum are bitching about you, it won't be too long before your dd starts tuning in to what they saying about you.

Don't let them drag you down any more, they both sound dreadful.

liquidstatehasrisenagain · 20/06/2014 11:33

and stop breast feeding! just because his mum breast fed until 6 years does not mean you have to.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/06/2014 12:05

All the counsellors we have seen agree that DH's behaviour is abusive and he needs to stop it.

Well yes, you have written here what he is like and everyone is appalled. Why would you need more than one counsellor to tell you so?

You have a third adult in your domestic set-up who is having way more input than is reasonable. You married him, not her.

No wonder you feel isolated. You never signed up for this sort of treatment. Please contact Women's Aid, they'll help you.

Him yelling at you, swearing when you have DD in your arms, how is that a good atmosphere for her? As she gets older and more wilful as toddlers do, do you think he is going to cope any better? As for MIL yes she is standing up for her DS but trashing you in the process.

And fgs feed your little girl as you prefer, she has had a good long run of bf.

Zarabethy · 20/06/2014 12:17

Thank you everyone, this does really help, I'm crying here :(

I feel so utterly exhausted and tired, everything is a battle - he makes an argument about literally everything, I can't say a single thing without him picking at me and disagreeing with everything I've said (just normal things, what DD should have for lunch etc.) - I say I'll make her a sandwich and he makes as issue of it and will argue for ten minutes that she should have something else, I'll just be talking normally and he'll pick at what I'm saying and disagree with me about nothing just for the sake of disagreeing. It's like having a baby and a giant toddler in the house :(

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wallypops · 20/06/2014 12:22

I'm going to go back and read the other messages, but I stopped breastfeeding after one lot of mastitis at 3 weeks. It's bloody agony. You can stop breastfeeding when you want, you know you don't have to be guilted (by anyone including yourself) in to continuing. You cannot do everything - really you can't. You just have to make choices that make your life more reasonable (like shedding you MIL, and your H). I'm afraid childcare is almost definitely going to be a better and possibly cheaper option than supporting H.

kaykayblue · 20/06/2014 12:40

Jesus, OP, please please leave. I am begging you.

This environment is going to drive you insane, and is most definitely going to set your child up for a repeat cycle of subconsciously seeking out abusive men.

No matter how you feel about leaving, please please leave for the sake of your child. They don't deserve this.

No the fuck do you by the way. You deserve so much better than this. Please don't ask him to leave. You need to book a couple of days off work, then book yourself into a hotel and get legal advice. Your counsellor will be able to confirm that your husband is abusive, which will be useful. You may want to consider a restraining order on your MIL.

Please please get yourself out of this situation. You are in a much better position that some other women in abusive relationships, in so much as you are the one controlling the purse strings. If they can get out of their situations (and they do!!) then you can as well.

Please don't try and excuse this behaviour by categorising it as a mental illness. That does a huge disservice to people with mental illness who are not abusive violent turds.

Please break this toxic cycle.

motherinferior · 20/06/2014 12:47

Darling, you don't deserve this. Nobody does.

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