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Removing Toxic People {LONG}

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sprinkleofglitter · 18/06/2014 23:40

I'm a regular but I have name changed for this just for personal reasons.

I apologise now for the length of this topic and I understand if you don't get to the end! :) Some details may be vague as it's been difficult at times and I have blocked some things out of memory. Thank you for being patient!

Short story - I have a toxic grandmother who I am desperate to remove from my life for my own sanity and mental well-being. I have tried to have no contact since 2009 but the end of last year she tracked me down.

Background history - Firstly, I am in no way after pity or sympathy. Nor do I want people to think I am writing this for ''oh woe is me''. All this happened a very long time ago but it all has reasons to my post today.

I had a rather difficult childhood. Growing up from a very early age with an alcoholic father. He was a great man when not influenced. When he was, he became a monster. I lived in a war zone between my parents constant arguments, throwing of plates and fights. Later on in life, ironically, my mother turned to drink to cope with her own personal situations. So, life from the start was rocky.

As a child I used to spend a lot of time with my Dad's sister (my aunt) and my Dad's parents (grandparents). When I was about 6 my Dad's sister and her husband adopted three children (2 boys and a girl) and life was great having cousins to play with.

Everything fell apart when I was 8 and the eldest adopted son (about 13 at the time) raped me twice within a space of a couple months. It took a while for me to eventually tell my mum in whatever way a child can explain such a thing. (Sorry if these next parts are a bit vague. I have blocked out a lot of the details.) The rest of the family were obviously then involved and told etc and my Aunt told my mum that she adopted these children knowing this son had a past of sexual abuse but had kept it quiet so that he would be accepted into the family. I was then basically told to keep quiet and act as if everything was normal as my Grandmother is well known in the community for her part in the WI and church and I'd bring 'shame' upon them. In fact, I remember one day playing in their garden and my Aunt's husband bringing this boy to me to ''apologise''. I was so young and naive at the time that I just turned round and told him ''it was okay''.

A year later I finally plucked up the courage to speak to a child protection police officer with the support of my mother and report this case. My Aunt is a social worker and has contacts within the police and she found out I'd done this and panicked that it would ruin her chance of keeping the other two children. A few years later I went back to restart my case (as I was a bit older by this time) to find out that my case ''didn't exist'' and a ''report was never made''. Therefore, I was told there was nothing that could be done now as too much time has lapsed. Obviously, I have no proof but I always will believe my Aunt had something to do with this.

This boy ended up being removed from the family a few years later anyway after he got banned from a public swimming pool for sexual abuse on another person within the cubicals. (It also later surfaced that he sexually abused his sister and brother but that too was kept quiet).

All this caused my father to drink more. He drank to deal with the fact he never could protect his little girl. Things fell even more apart in my life when my Dad's father passed away. He was one of very, very few people who supported me through some troubles in my life. I went off the rails at 13 and coped by doing the only thing I thought was natural and passed the next couple of years in a haze of drink, drugs and spending time with friends much older than I was.

I met a wonderful DP at 15 (9 years later we are still together) who helped me turn my life around and go to college and become more stable. My father than passed away when I was 17 and I had a mental breakdown (have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression since). He supported me through all of that too.

My dad's mum was her usual heartless self when I had to break the news to her that I found him dead and was only concerned about whether some jumpers she'd brought him a couple of weeks previously still had their tags on so she could return them for a full refund. Her own son!

The end of last year and the start of this year were very difficult times for me and my DP as he was diagnosed with MS and I had a miscarriage shortly afterwards. These two things in life made me realise I have to take control for my own mental well-being and remove the toxic people from my life.

I last saw and had contact with my dad's sister and dad's brother (both as toxic) was at my father's funeral in 2007 and as far as we are all concerned this is the way it'll remain.

My grandmother on the other hand managed to find out where I work and my address last year and attempted to visit me numerous times until I had to embarrassingly admit to my bosses that I didn't want her to come into my workplace (they managed to put a stop to that) and then the letters started. She managed to catch me at my workplace before she was stopped and she tried to hug me and act as if nothing has ever happened and that we had only seen each other a few days ago!

She is well aware of everything that has happened. She is controlled by my Aunt so greatly but she has hurt me more than words can ever explain. She should of been there for me. She has told me in the past when I have tried to breach the subject of my past that ''everyone else has got over it and I need to learn to get over it too'' and ''it's all under the carpet now, just leave it there''. And I'm sad that I cannot just do that. For me, it's not that simple. I am also still very bitter about the fact that she never included me in the scattering of my grandfathers ashes knowing just how much he meant to me. Still to this day she will not tell me where it took place. Despite my other blood cousins and family being involved.

Breathe Sorry for the length! Basically, I want to write her one final letter. I went to tell her not to contact me again. I want to tell her just how much I have been hurt and betrayed. I want to tell her how much I have struggled. I want to tell her just how much my heart still aches.

I wrote out a letter in January (this is something that's been on my mind for a very long time!) which took me a lot of courage to do but it's still sat in my kitchen in an unstamped envelope.

I get one shot at writing this letter and I'm scared. I'm scared of being honest. I don't know why I feel this way and it angers me that I'm even considering her feelings in my letter and dulling down some of the things I really want to say to her.

Basically, I want to know - should I rewrite a detailed letter just expressing everything. Every feeling, every thought or is she just not worth my time and I should send the original letter basically just telling her not to contact me again?

Looking back over this I'm not even sure why I have wrote this. (Feeling a bit silly now!) but to a degree, finally, for the first time in my life seeing this in black and white already feels like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

If you have got this far, thank you. Thank you for your time and patience. Thanks Wine

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MagpieMama · 19/06/2014 00:18

Sounds like you've been through a lot Sad

If I were you, I would write the long detailed letter as it would be cathartic. You can then decide if you want to send the original or the detailed one. You don't owe your grandmother anything as she has treated you appallingly, it's just about what will help you to feel better.

Nanny0gg · 19/06/2014 00:21

Don't want to read and run, but I have no experience to help with the horrific things you've had to deal with. There will be others better along I'm sure.

However, the writing it all down, without sending, is a known therapeutic tool and you've already seen the benefit of that. Whether or not you should actually send it I'm not qualified to advise.

A few questions for you - have you had counselling to help you deal with all you have been through - including what is happening in your life now, and has your GM tried to contact you any more?
Apart from your DH do you have any family that support you?

And you may not be after 'pity or sympathy', but you could certainly do with the sympathy. You have had dreadful things to deal with and I am so impressed at the strength you are showing in dealing with it all. Thanks

ballsballsballs · 19/06/2014 00:22

I'm sorry you've been through all of this OP. Flowers

I would only send her one letter, telling her simply that you do not want to hear from her again. I definitely wouldn't send the one that you have written. It sounds very unlikely that she is going to reply and apologise for her appalling behaviour.

PIVOT · 19/06/2014 05:02

What you have been through is awful, and to have your reality denied, just to twist the knife....terrible.

I too would only send the clear cut, nothing to do with her letter, and just use the detailed one as a therapeutic tool. The thing is, these toxic types never take ownership of their behaviour, always defer blame and deny, deny, deny. I am NC with my toxic mother. She knows what she did, I know what she did, so do her family, so does the neighbourhood. Has she once apologised? Never. She has either denied it - and thus dug the hole even deeper because she is trying to rewrite my memories - or blamed her parents which is pathetic. So I'm not sure you would get any closure from the detailed letter. Deep down, she knows the score. Let her live with that and the uncertainty around it.

You can only work on your feelings and you are the only person that matters in this. Be kind to yourself. Maybe get some counselling if you haven't already, and get amongst the Stately Homes thread for survivors of toxic families.

I am so sorry for all that has happened.

Meerka · 19/06/2014 07:40

Re-write it saying -ll- you wnat to say. Save both letters for 3 weeks. re-read them. Decide which to send. If you can't then save them another 3 weeks then decide, I wouldnt put it off again if you wish to send one at all.

It can help you a lot, but don't expect any honest acknowledgement from her. If she responds at all, she might well brush it under the carpet again or take some other tack to avoid actually facing what you've written. If she does deal with it honestly then great, but it's not likely. You're sending this letter for your sake, not in the chance of healing.

You want no further contact. From the sound of it she knows that and is ignoring it. If she does keep trying to contactyou against your wishes you might even have to take this further. This letter will do one very good thing in that you will have it on record that you want no further contact.

It wasn't silly at all to write it down. Flowers

Meerka · 19/06/2014 07:40

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sprinkleofglitter · 19/06/2014 13:11

Thank you all so much for a) getting to the end of my lengthy post and b) the beautiful messages of support & kind words you have all wrote.

I am tied up all week with work but on my next day off I will put pen to paper and write a second letter (a more lengthy one). By doing that I'm hoping to gain some closure. And I think I will send her the basic ''I don't want contact'' letter. As most of you have said and I know deep down it's true - she's going to either deny or refuse to acknowledge what I have to say anyway so why waste my time? She knows the truth. She'll know, regardless of if I write it, why I really want to remove myself from her as I have done with the other family members.

Nanny0gg - I was referred to a counsellor by the doctor a few years ago now after a failed suicide attempt (at one of my lowest ebbs) and was put on a 24 week waiting list as it was deemed not an 'emergency'. My DP wasn't happy with this result and searched high and low for someone I could see and I ended up paying a psychologist £60 an hour for sessions which I think greatly helped and I'll always be grateful for that psychologist for dragging me out of a place I thought I couldn't escape from.

At the moment, I don't feel I need counselling (maybe I'm in denial?) But I find it very hard to vocally voice my emotions and thoughts. I'm guessing that's after years of trying to remain numb to it all?

My mother has been dry now for approx 2 years and we have regained a good, steady relationship so I have her support, my mothers side of the family and my step-fathers support along side my DP.

Thank you all again Thanks

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Meerka · 19/06/2014 14:44

Best of luck sprinkle. at a guess, if you don't feel the need for counselling/therapy atm, then you probably don't actaully need it. It may be that stuff comes up in the future and you decide to go back for a time, don't be entirely surprised if that happens, or it may be that therapy has done all it can for you.

Can you talk to your DP at all? even though it's very difficult to speak at all about it? if you can, that might really help.

Glad to hear your mother and step father are so supportive. Best wishes.

Quitelikely · 19/06/2014 14:49

Covering up sexual abuse is a terrible crime. If you send that letter make sure you let her know that. It's ok for her to say leave it under the carpet because she wasn't the one who was raped.

All the people that kept this crime from the police are guilty of failing you.

My heart goes out to you and I am so pleased that you have decided to move forward with your life. Please please do not let what they once did to you spoil your future. You are making your own story now and I hope it's a beautiful one for you and your lovely sounding dh.

noddyholder · 19/06/2014 15:01

My sister wrote a letter to our toxic mother and burned it I of course being the person I am sent mine and I have fared rather worse!

ballsballsballs · 19/06/2014 16:41

Sprinkle all the best :)

Celestria · 20/06/2014 07:54

Hi sprinkle.

I think I can relate to some degree. I was also abused as a child and finally spoke up when I was ten. He was spoken too and then it was brushed under the carpet. My life spiralled from then on.

I started using aerosols as a young teen. By the time I was sixteen I was drinking heavily and sleeping with a lot of men. I was desperate for love and comfort and thought if I gave sex I would get it.

I married at nineteen and had four children in quick succession. Eight years later I knew I had made a mistake marrying exh and left. Since then I have had two awful relationships and things finally came to a head at the start of this year where I had a complete breakdown. I have also been left with anxiety and depression.

During my breakdown and subsequent counselling I finally found the strength and courage to stand up for the little girl I was. I outed my abuser on fb for all my family to see. Things exploded after that with my dad telling my abuser it was just kids being kids and everyone had forgotten about it. My step mum immediately befriended my abuser to ask if he was okay. My sister and sister in law turned on me and began posting horrible things online.

Long story short. I cut them all off. And my life is better for it. You can't change people but you can control how much power you give them in terms of hurting you. Write the letter. I think it's very important that children who were abused find their voice as adults. Don't hold back. Say every single little thing that you need to say. Because it is that which will help you find closure.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Thanks

sprinkleofglitter · 20/06/2014 20:18

Thank you for all your good luck & well wishes. I will keep you updated with how I go on with the letter writing / sending. Sending it alone is going to take a huge amount of courage!

Celestria , I'm sorry to hear about your difficult past :( But thank you for sharing your story (it makes me feel as if I'm not 'alone' so to speak). Hearing a positive outcome from someone that's been through a similar thing and taken the step to remove said people from their lives just confirms to me that what I am doing is the right thing. Not for her, but for me.

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CookieDoughKid · 20/06/2014 22:20

If it was me I'd write a bloody long letter telling them exactly what I thought of them, and why and how shit they all are. And why not? Why not let them see it in print because you're an adult now, you have a voice and you damn well stronger than the little girl you were. Speak up for her and let those fuckers know the injustice.

How dare they go to their graves in peace. You have nothing to lose by sending that letter.

One of my dcs was abused by her uncle and the entire fucking family wanted it kept quiet for sake of keeping up with the Jones.

People here may disagree but in my opinion, keeping quiet does not stop this from happening again .you were badly let down when you needed your family the most so why not do yourself a favour if it will help you heal and send that god damn letter to them. Fuck em.

sprinkleofglitter · 30/06/2014 22:12

Im sorry to 'restart' this thread but im feeling a tad emotional tonight. I've spent the afternoon attempting to write a longer version of my brief first letter and im finding it difficult. Its so hard to retrace the stuff I've invested so much time in trying to forget.

I know some of you may say or think is it worth it if its upsetting me? But i have to do this. I have to.

Right now though i just feel emotional, guilty and very weak.

Not even sure why im writing here tonight. Sorry.

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brannagirl · 30/06/2014 22:23

sprinkle don't apologise. It's beyond hard dealing with this stuff (I've been thinking about my own Toxic GM today after hearing she's been badmouthing me round the houses -wondered why my ears were burning). Can't offer you much advice, I find it hard to keep it all in perspective, but you have the right to be sad and angry and write whatever you need to feel better. The only advice I can give, and it might not be relevant, is consider if she can use this letter against you. My GM is an expert at making others (me often) look bad, evil and monstrous, even when she is the instigator. So make sure your letter wouldn't be ammunition for her. I have to keep re-learning the lesson that I can never win anything from any contact with my GM, as I will always be in the wrong.

sprinkleofglitter · 30/06/2014 22:33

Thank you for responding, Branna. I'm sorry too to hear that you've had your own issues with your toxic GM.

I suppose her using the letter against me hadn't even come into my mind. But for me, that's not a reason for me not to write and send it. I'm sure there will be times she will use it against me to other people. She might even use it to place blame for whatever reason. But deep down I know, she knows and the whole of our family know what is the truth and what isn't. But thank you for giving me some food for thought x

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CookieDoughKid · 30/06/2014 22:33

You need to think through a healing plan. What consequence is this letter going to have for you and can you handle it? Do you clearly want it to be one way? They make that plain in the letter. What do you want to gain? Closure? And if she was going to turn up at your door tomorrow, what would you do? Think about this because it goes beyond a letter.

The journey to healing is being able to say to yourself 'I'm OK. They cannot hurt me anymore'. Repeat this till you believe it. Fake it till you make it.

Put yourself first for once and if sending that letter is going to help you heal then do it. Because the worst has already been done to you and you know, and I know, it can only get better. Letter or not.

brannagirl · 30/06/2014 22:46

sprinkle I think you're right, if you need to send this letter then send it. I suppose I'm just so cynical that I worry she'll somehow hurt you more through it. But if it'll be cathartic for you then do it. And good luck.x

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