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What to do?

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OtraVida · 18/06/2014 13:37

Hi all,

Would welcome any advice on a friendship. I've known this woman for about a decade. When we first met we were part of a small-ish social group that was close for another couple of years, but that has since largely dissipated except for special occasions.

About 2 years into the friendship (we were early-mid 20s) I made an ill-advised boyfriend choice and was with him for a couple of months before I left to go abroad for three months - we were still technically together when I left. On my return she told me that they'd slept together. Since he was spectacularly ill-advised, and I was quite seriously depressed at the time, I let it go - told her I forgave her, it didn't matter, etc.

A few years after that, we didn't speak for quite a long period, initiated by me. Relatively minor things had contributed to me being just irritated by her and not wanting to spend time with her (and perhaps lingering issues around her sleeping with my boyfriend...)

Anyway, time passes and we resurrect the friendship. Not long in she tells me that she's seeing a married man. At that point she hadn't told anyone else about it, so I became her sole form of support on the relationship. Over time it became more and more apparent that the man concerned was actively manipulative, emotionally abusive, etc. I supported her in her attempts to split up with him, but he was always so persistent (calling constantly, turning up at her flat, promising all sorts - harassment) that she got back together with him. Cycle repeated at least three times and it's now being going on for about three years.

The last time she told me she'd seen him, it was after a long period when she hadn't, when I'd spent literally hours of my life talking to her about him and encouraging her to leave him for good. I told her that when next we met up, I didn't want to discuss him. She told me that it was 'distressing' to hear me say that and we had no contact for nearly a month. Now she wants to meet up again.

So, to the crux of the problem: I don't really want to meet her, or see her, either because we will just end of treading old ground on the awful man issue, or because even if we don't, the whole dysfunctional history of our friendship is just lingering in the background.

I have tried, hard, to support her to leave the relationship, but she can't or won't do it. Each time we discussed it, I took examples from my own unhealthy relationship history to provide 'real-life' examples - found her links and resources on emotional abuse etc - told her that her friends loved her, he didn't and on and on. And now I just feel that it was so much wasted emotional effort. But I simultaneously feel guilty for abandoning the friendship when she needs friends to help her get out, if she hasn't managed it properly in the last month or so.

I know intellectually that I'm quite within my rights to end a friendship for any reason I like - but emotionally I feel guilty about this, and suspect that I'm being a bad friend. But: I've had enough. Of him, of hearing about him, and of her ongoing bad choices with men, which have now been impacting on me one way or another for ten years and causing all sorts of drama that I just do not want. Am I being unfair to her?

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dollius · 18/06/2014 13:40

No you're not being unfair. She sounds horrendous. Feel free to get rid.

JustSpeakSense · 18/06/2014 13:47

If you are unable to meet up, have a chat and enjoy each other's company without the conversation turning to her and her dysfunctional relationship (does it always have to be about her?) then it is probably time to lose this friendship. I don't understand what you are getting out of this friendship?

bubblebath1 · 18/06/2014 13:50

I know you feel guilty and she apparently needs support, but I don't think I could carry on either - she's having an affair with a married man, so I'm not entirely sure how sympathetic I could be on that point to begin with (have more sympathy towards his wife), also she slept with your boyfriend...maybe she is in a terrible situation or whatever but then just maybe she's addicted to drama...some people are, and this results in a totally one sided friendship were you are the shoulder to cry on (but have your advice and help unheeded) and she is the center of everybodies attention - she sounds totally draining - if you needed support I'm guessing she wouldn't be so good a friend.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 18/06/2014 13:50

You have no responsibility to listen to this woman's problems, most especially if she won't accept your advice and do something about it. If you go on with this friendship you'll just be going around in the same circles you always have with her. You have far more patience than I do because it all sounds totally exhausting and I'd have thrown in the towel some time ago.

OtraVida · 18/06/2014 14:00

Thanks all - no, I'm not sure what I'm getting out of it either really at this stage. It's not as totally one-sided as my post suggests - but I do feel that her relationship has dominated things for the last 18 months or so (since I've been in a long-term relationship and had no dating drama of my own to share any more).

I think she's addicted to men who are in other relationships - for who knows what dysfunctional reason - she is very sensible for the most part in other areas of her life but there's just a big black hole of doom where men are concerned.

So, next steps - do I have to have this conversation face to face? Because I'd rather chew my own arm off..the last time I told her I didn't want to see her for a while I did it via email, which now seems very cold. Argh.

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hellsbellsmelons · 18/06/2014 14:01

It's like any relationship though.
The question always asked on here is, What do you get out of this relationship now?
If it's nothing then the relationship is dead.

You could of course set some boundaries before meeting.
Tell her, as soon as this arsewipe's names comes up in conversation then you are out of the door. And make sure you follow through on that.

JustSpeakSense · 18/06/2014 14:10

Perhaps email her and say that you miss her and your friendship, but you do not approve of her self destructive relationship with a married man (as you have said on many occasions) you find it difficult to see her repeating the same mistakes with him. You would love to meet up with her (like old times) but do not wish to discuss him or her love life at all, if she can guarantee that your conversation will not include his name or any dramas from their relationship then fine, if she wants to meet with you to discuss him, then she needs to find another friend as a sounding board as you have given all the advice you have to give on this matter.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

OtraVida · 18/06/2014 14:39

Thanks, JustSpeakSense - the only problem with that approach is that I already tried something like it, which caused her to go silent on me for a month and tell me that I'd distressed her. So I'm reluctant to repeat myself on that and just have her huff off inconclusively. And I'm not sure that having her relationship as the elephant in the room at all times, given that she knows how strongly feel about it, is much of a tempting prospect either..

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Jamie1981 · 18/06/2014 15:16

If it turned out that the married man she's seeing is actually your current husband, would you feel good that you'd been sympathetic to her?
No.
Ditch her. She's immoral and selfish.

OtraVida · 18/06/2014 15:38

Yep, no arguments from me here. I feel far more sympathetic to his wife than I do to my friend, and I've never met her. The marriage is apparently over - I say 'apparently' because he told my friend that it was over and then continued living with his wife for another 9 months or so - and now claims he's moved out and is living with his grandmother. He also told my friend that his group of mates, who are all married or in long term relationships, routinely go out to strip clubs and on lads' holidays and all sleep with other women (except him, of course - he only cheated with my friend! Because she's special!) - when I cast doubt on this, my friend asked me not to suggest that he was a lying, cheating scumbag because that was upsetting too...

He makes me so furious. I really, really cannot stand this man. She brought him to my birthday night out a couple of years ago, when their relationship was a secret and basically ruined my night. /rant

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