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Dealing with DP's Stress/Anger

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salsice · 17/06/2014 16:21

Hi All. Long time lurker but have never posted before. Sorry this is so long but I don't want to miss out anything in case it is relevant!

DP has his own business - he's very driven, works very long hours.
There is a certain period in each year which is a critical period for the business, and any error could mean the entire business could go under. His family has invested a lot of money over the years which creates an additional source of pressure.

Two years ago, during this critical period certain things went wrong, and the business almost went under. His family put more money in to keep it afloat. Through a lot of hard work he managed to turn it around, and the business was going really well.

The most recent critical period - everything has gone smoothly. Just before the end something comes up which threatens the success of the period. He told me, and I arrived at his place after work expecting to see him incredibly depressed/ distraught. Instead his brother was there, and he seemed fine. I assumed it hadn't been that much of a big deal. In fact, he was obviously masking/comparmentalising it.

Before his brother left, DP made a bit of an arsey comment to me (but fairly innocuous) which I got a bit annoyed by. We then went in to go to bed, and he turned on the TV. I asked how long he was going to have it on for, and he said he didn't know. I said "Fine, I'll sleep on the couch then" (in an arsey way) and grabbed some pillows. He picked up the remote, threw it at the wall (it broke) and started shouting at me. He then got up from the bed, put his hands on my bum, and propelled me out of the room, shouting that fine, I should sleep on the couch then.

I was really shocked, and upset and scared. I decided to leave, went back in to get my stuff, and he started shouting again (mainly about how unsupportive I was being, IIRC). He followed me out into the corridor and stood in front of the door out of the flat, still shouting (I was crying). I then shouted at him to let me out, and continued shouting a bit more and then moved out of the way of the door, and I left.

When we later talked about it, I was still really upset. But at the time he was still so stressed about the business, we didn't speak about it properly. We did speak about it again later, I got very upset and he did also get quite upset at one point, and cried when he saw how much it had affected me and said he was sorry.

Last week in the supermarket, he got quite frustrated (in my opinion, out of nowhere) and snapped at me. I had a really disproportionate reaction (I cried). It just reminded me of how upset and intimidated I felt during the previous argument.

I am not at all good with conflict, and I would say probably quite sensitive. My usual reaction to any stressful conflict situation is tears (very frustrating!)
My family has never really even raised voices.
His family, who are lovely and really close, used to have huge, quite out of control family rows, where they would all get involved, bar his mother. These rows don't really happen much anymore, as everyone has grown up and calmed down somewhat.

He's also had a number of occasions where he's lost it in the past including at work with his business partner (during the same stressful period). With an ex-girlfriend he once kicked the wall during an argument, and she then refused to go on a weekend away with him.

He then saw a psychologist to talk about his anger, who told him that he was under a massive amount of stress, so his reactions were normal in the context of the stress he was under. By all accounts he is a much calmer and more controlled person than he used to be.

His position is that yes, he was maybe a bit unreasonable in the incident where he threw the remote, but that I can't expect that he is never going to become frustrated (and potentially react in this way) when he is under extreme stress.
He also thinks my reaction to the argument in the supermarket was ridiculous. He told me that my tears don't mean anything to him, but that I mean the world to him (which I found an odd statement). He also seems concerned that I think he is some kind of monster (which is obviously not the way I phrased it!).

He's told me about this aspect of him in the past, and thinks now that I've seen him lose it under stress that maybe I can't handle it, and that I really need to think about whether I can deal with it.

I'm concerned that if it continues, it will eventually eat away at our relationship. As much as I can rationalise intellectually that it's due to his stress, I'm not sure I'll be able to not take it personally, and will feel hurt, upset and possibly angry/resentful at his taking it out on me.

The other part of me thinks that, because I'm not used to conflict and don't deal with it well, that part of my reaction was because this was the first time I'd experienced him acting like this (having only having heard about it before), and that if I'm able to accept that it is due to stress I can handle it better in future when/if it happens again. I appreciate this is not supported by my reaction in the supermarket.

Would love your thoughts, as I'm just not sure where to go from here??

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CailinDana · 17/06/2014 16:28

He has broken your trust, and has no interest in repairing it.

It sounds like the relationship is on the way out I'm sorry to say.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 17/06/2014 16:56

Stress is a normal thing and getting angry is a reasonably common response to stress but if he can hold it together for other people (his brother) and just chooses to terrorise you or previous girlfriends at home then he's a bully, plain and simple. What I really don't like is the idea that you're expected tolerate him being frustrated.... that part sounds like a combination of a direct threat and 'shut up moaning'.

I wouldn't like to be in a relationship with a bully that thought it was OK to make me feel shocked and scared. How long have you been together?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 17/06/2014 17:10

"He told me that my tears don't mean anything to him, but that I mean the world to him (which I found an odd statement). He also seems concerned that I think he is some kind of monster (which is obviously not the way I phrased it!)."

That's a very cold & possessive statement. You 'mean the world to him' as a possession rather than a breathing, feeling, crying human being with opinions. Of course he doesn't want you having negative ideas about who he is, you're just meant to accept him without question.

salsice · 17/06/2014 17:23

Thanks for the responses. We've been together three years.

If it was only me / past girlfriends he wasn't able to hold it together with, then I would consider it bullying/abusive behaviour, but he has had similar instances of losing control with business partner / colleagues under stress, and has blown up at other family members before as well. So I don't think it is necessarily that he "chooses" to lose it with me/ex gf, it has happened with a number of people in the past.

The expectation that I just need to deal with it is where my issue is as well. I understand that stress can make people act unreasonably or lash out, I'm just not sure how far allowances can/should be made...and how it sits with me personally (being so conflict averse).

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SolidGoldBrass · 17/06/2014 18:49

If he does lose his temper and have wretched toddler tantrums with other people, then it is possible that anger management will help him. There is a difference between someone who simply explodes with squealing rage when thwarted or annoyed, no matter who is there to see it, and the type of man who only directs aggressive, angry behaviour at women and children, especially those in his own family. The former type are actually much less dangerous and much easier to fix as the root of their problem is poor self control, rather than a firm belief that their wives and children are inferior and their property to control and punish.

And it is possible that you are unusually distressed by other people's anger - some people would react to behaviour like this by telling him to grow the fuck up, or by laughing at him, or just with cool contempt, rather than being upset and scared.

However, this 'business' of his, which has had to be bailed out more than once by his wealthy family. YOu may not want to say of course, but if one tiny error could destroy it, it doesn't sound very professional. Is it a wanky 'art' business that's more of an ego boost than a way of earning a living? Partners who 'run their own business' because they think they are too fucking 'special' to work for anyone else do crop up from time to time on MN, and they are quite often unsatisfactory partners, if not abusive ones.

Your H needs to demonstrate that he understands his tantrums are unacceptable and that he will make a sustained effort to stop having them. Explain to him that he is on probation at the moment and if he doesn't make progress, he can leave.

AdoraBell · 17/06/2014 19:04

You say he also blows up at other people. Have you seen him block his brother, business partner or anyone else from leaving a room, the office, the home? Have you seen him push them out the door as he did with you?

And has he ever lost his temper with someone in authority due to stress, say a police officer?

And to my mind if he felt any emotional connection to you then your tears would mean a great deal.

As for how far you make allowances? No further than you feel happy and comfortable with. Feeling threatened and disregarded is an allowance too far IMHO.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 17/06/2014 19:11

If he lashes out at everyone rather than just you he's still a bully. And a violent one. I'm not surprised he scares you.. Hmm Where did you see this relationship going? Can you see him behaving this way with a child?

Saltedcaramel2014 · 18/06/2014 13:07

While self-awareness is good, it seems to me you're spending too much time thinking about your own behaviour, crying easily etc when this really isn't the problem. Your behaviour doesn't hurt anyone. His does. He needs to take responsibility for his outbursts and you need to step back before you start taking on any of the blame for them

APlaceInTheSummer · 18/06/2014 13:24

You don't need to deal with his anger. He does.

You cried in the supermarket because he'd broken your trust and you can no longer rely on him to act a certain way. All our relationships are based on an almost unspoken commitment that certain actions are acceptable or not. When he threw the remote, he crossed one of your boundaries and not only that he scared you.

If you want to be less conflict averse because it impacts on other areas of your life (eg you don't complain about bad service) then by all means take steps to address it. If the only reason you want to become less conflict averse is to try to manage your response to your dp's behaviour then please don't. It isn't healthy or sustainable to try to shape your personality in response to someone else's outbursts or character traits.

Becoming afraid of someone is difficult to undo. Fear is a natural response to a threat. He has to take steps to learn better coping responses. If he won't then you can't compensate for him, I'm sorry.

NotActuallyAMum · 18/06/2014 13:38

You sound like me a few years after I first met my ex - he was also a controlling, possessive bully whose rages (which of course were always something/someone else's fault) often scared me

Run for the hills

diddl · 18/06/2014 13:56

"He then saw a psychologist to talk about his anger, who told him that he was under a massive amount of stress, so his reactions were normal in the context of the stress he was under."

He told you that or you heard it from the psychologist?

If it was just with you it would be awful, but the fact that he does it with others doesn't really make it better, does it?

IMO, life's too short.

He manhandled you out of a room, threw something & broke it in a temper.

He's just an angry twat, really.

hellsbellsmelons · 18/06/2014 14:16

If anyone did anything like this to me I would be out of the door and never going back,
Do you want a life of treading on eggshells?
Wondering what mood he'll be in tonight?
Changing yourself and your behaviour to ensure he doesn't get 'the rage'
He is an abusive, controlling bully and he's telling you he won't change.

Seriously you should:-

RUN FOR THE HILLS
They are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

wyrdyBird · 18/06/2014 14:42

Those reactions are NOT normal in the context of stress.

When you are stressed yourself, I'm sure you don't throw things, yell at people, and then shovel them out of the room by their rear end (a very demeaning thing to do). Then carry on yelling at them. I don't know anyone that does, however stressed.

I don't think anyone did tell him it was normal, either.

If your tears mean nothing to him, you also have a chilling insight into his level of empathy. And he's made it quite clear that he's an angry man,who doesn't plan to change. He expects you to just be there, and absorb his aggression, whenever he wants to lash out.

PPaka · 18/06/2014 18:08

I spent more than 5 years trying to help and understand my husbands anger

Complete waste of time and energy and it will drive you into the ground

Escape while you can

Tinks42 · 18/06/2014 18:24

I also say it's his problem, not yours.

Don't stick around, dump him and find what you deserve, which is someone a whole lot better.

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