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Zpush · 16/06/2014 15:47

I suppose I am posting this for reassurance more than anything- I am sure I will also get some negative responses.. anyhow

2.5 years ago I started a relationship with a man nearly 13 years my senior. I fell madly in love- I'd just turned 27 and him 40. Anyway, at the time when I met him he told me he was going through divorce and he had been separated and living apart from his 'wife' on and off for over a two years but this time it was permanent. He also has a child from this relationship, a girl who was at the time nearly 4. I know in hindsight I was naive and silly but anyway... 6 months into the relationship things started to unravel and it turned out that he hadn't actually even started divorce proceedings. We almost broke up.. he begged and pleaded told me things would be sorted and convinced me to rent a place with him. So we moved in together.

At the time, the conditions of moving in together were that he sorted out his martial status, and that I met his daughter. Needless to say, I only met his daughter a year later- so 1.5 years into our relationship and things still hadn't progressed in terms of his martial status. In fact, I finally met his daughter after I broke up with him and moved out. So, almost as a sign of his 'commitment' I met his daughter. I now have a very close relationship with her and enjoy her very much.

A year later and things still haven't moved on at all bar meeting his daughter. I broke up with him again last December and moved out. Once again he begged me to come back, promised this and promised that.. and like a very weak person I agreed and set out my conditions. Of course, he didn't meet those conditions, despite the promises and in April this year I finally decided to end the relationship for good. Although, I loved him- I just couldn't do it anymore- the stress of his mess- it was just driving me crazy, plus being young, nice and attractive girl - working in the city - with the world at my feet I just thought enough is enough!If he can't treat me right, with all the chances ( too many) I have given him then I want to enjoy being single and when the right man comes along then great!

Well, as you can guess, I then found out I was prego. I decided, that regardless I was going to keep the baby. Despite not part of the plan- I just knew that this was something that was meant to be - having this baby- a course of life I was suppose to take...

So despite things not being great- spoke with partner and decided to give it a go trying to do it together. Again, promises promises to sort things etc. Well another 2 months have past and he is still legally married in every way. He has all his finances with his 'wife'. Even his salary goes into a joint account with her. She lives in the martial house, he rents. Her parents live in a house in South A that they own. They pay for their daughter to go to private school and mother is going on a few holidays this year that doubtful she could afford if their salary wasnt still joint. As you may have guessed - she still doesn't know about baby. I'm now three and half months. We haven't told his daughter ( shes 6 1/2 now) because I also believe its only right that her mum knows first.

My partner also is so tight with me. Even though when I moved back in he promised I wouldn't need to pay him the rent ( as I had issues with moving back in with him to pay him money to subsidies him not sorting out his finances with 'wife') . We agreed we would put the money I would usually pay for rent into a pot and save it for us. He went back on that straight away... making me feel guilty telling me that it was 'unfair' on his 'wife' as she would feel as if she was paying for me and manipulating me so I felt like the bad person. So I gave him the silly rent and even paid it into their joint account.

Since I've been prego, he hasn't stepped up. I've told him I'm saving for the baby now and haven't given him rent this month. My parents desperately want me to move home in the interim as they know what stress he is causing me. He is even taking his daughter on holiday in a few weeks and I'm not going because, I can't afford it as I'm saving for things for the baby- he thinks that is fine... hasn't even offered to contribute or pay for me to come with his ( as its a holiday for his daughter and he should want me there) He moans about money all the time with me- but with his 'wife' doesnt matter. He never treats me, hasn't looked into buying baby stuff- does'nt even buy me cheap flowers EVER.

We're supposed to be moving to his mothers in the interim before the baby is born, but now I really don't want to as he has NO plan. Shows no commitment. My view is that at least if I am on my own I have a plan- with him I am always waiting for him to tell me when he's ready to have a plan. So I am 80% I am moving back to my parents in the interim next week.

Any thoughts appreciated.

OP posts:
IWillYeah · 16/06/2014 18:39

Years have passed, you're expecting his baby - yet he still isn't committed to you. What needs to happen for him to end his marriage and be with you?

Its not going to happen. The sooner you accept it, the better. Take back control. End the relationship and move on with your life.

Zpush · 16/06/2014 18:43

I know....

OP posts:
IWillYeah · 16/06/2014 18:48

I didn't mean to sound unkind. But i think this kind of situation needs tough objective opinions to shake you out of the fantasy.

Zpush · 16/06/2014 18:54

No- I know its true. I am embarrassed by what a fool I've been. It's not going to happen and I have been living a fantasy. In many ways he is a kind, loving man but a leopard doesn't change his spots and I shouldn't have been so silly as to think he could change for me. He failed at his marriage - all the reasons why it failed should have been warning enough.

Time to stop feeling sorry for myself and just get on with it.

OP posts:
Sundaedelight · 16/06/2014 18:55

Poor baby being born into this situation. And I feel desperately sorry for the little daughter.

DaisyBug1212 · 16/06/2014 18:59

Hi Zpush, i was just wondering if you could explain how his wife is to blame in this situation? That's not a having a go question im just wondering.

Im surprised his wife hasn't met you before, she is after all letting her child spend a lot of time with you!

I think there is no question really about what you need to do now this man is a dick and your better off without him even if that means bringing up your child largely solo. Like you said your young and attractive im sure you will find someone to share a future with who deserves your time.

I wouldnt call you a mistress btw your bf and his wife where seperated in every other way and like you say you werent his little secret so i dont really see it being any different to a divorced man, maybe im missing something there?

MaryWestmacott · 16/06/2014 19:00

Right, you're pregnant now, so you have given up the luxury of being able to dick around with a knobber like your 'D'P, time to be practical for the baby's sake.

Move out into your parents house, can you commute to return to work from there? Look at childcare options as well. Ask him if he wants to go via the CSA or privately for maintenance (there used to be a calculator for working out what maintenance should be on their website, not checked for a while, but if not, there's guidance online so you can work it out), no quibbling, tough if his wife doesn't like it going from the joint account. In fact, this might be the push she and he needs to sort out their own financials.

Once that's sorted, you can talk about access arrangements. Even if this man does finally get round to divorcing his wife, I'd assume a)that would have involved her making the effort to actually sort it out, and b)he's not suddenly going to turn into the sort of man you can rely on, this man is selfish and wants an easy life, anything out of his mouth will be with the aim of getting what's best for him, not you, not his wife, not his dd and not your dc, only what's best for him. Ignore, plan your life as a single mum, never rely on him.

kaykayblue · 16/06/2014 19:06

zpush - I literally just breathed out a massive sigh of relief. It sounds like - past mistakes aside, you are a very gracious and honourable person. One of the saddest things in these situations is when the women turn on each other rather than the prick causing all the trouble. I am so glad that you are mature enough to not go down that route (did that sound patronising? Sorry I didn't mean it to if so).

I think meeting her is such a good idea. You love her daughter, and I'm sure she will appreciate that.

Maybe this is sickeningly naive of me, but I actually hope you two will end up on friendly terms.

PS, You do know that she is going to cry when you tell her that you're pregnant, right?

MargotThreadbetter · 16/06/2014 19:44

OP, kick him to the kerb, he's a twat (but I think you know that already!)
Please don't worry about the baby or being a lone parent. Your parents sound supportive and you'll be fine.
You only tend to hear negatives about being a lone parent but I've found there are loads of positives too! (And I've been on my own since pregnancy)
Best of luck and try to get his wife on side.

WildBillfemale · 16/06/2014 19:49

This is a truly bizarre situation. You are not a mistress as they were already separated when you got involved.

BUT after 2.5 years I would have thought one or the other would have filed for divorce and as they appear to be on very good terms come to an amicable settlement.
The situation has been meandering along because you put up with it.
The man is going on holiday alone with his daughter, you share a roof but not a life.
This 40 year old man intends to move you both into his mothers house when the baby comes - yet more arrangements to avoid a proper divorce.
Does his wife has serious dirt on him that keeps him in limbo?

The arrival of the baby is a grenade waiting to explode - this situation cannot go on for ever. Your parents have offered you a lifeline, take it, walk away and don't look back. Start to rebuild a secure stable life for you and your child, You won't get this from this man.

Incidentally you know if he ends up in a coma in intensive care it will be his legally wedded wife who gets to decide to turn the switch off, not you............

KeepCalmAndLOLKittens · 16/06/2014 19:57

I am so scared about doing this alone

I have no sympathy for you. You knew he was married. You knew he was an arsehole. I am watching the fallout from an affair resulting in a pregnancy now and it is devastating.

MexicanSpringtime · 16/06/2014 20:02

I was a single mother, separated before I knew I was pregnant, and, in my case, I never did find another partner, which seems to be quite unusual. But I have complaints, I don't think it would have been much easier even if I'd been living with Mister Perfect and I know it would have been a lot harder for everyone if I'd had to live with my dd's father.

MargotThreadbetter · 16/06/2014 20:06

keepcalm - I have no sympathy for OW (having been on the receiving end of an affair myself) but he told the OP he was separated and he was living apart from his wife. He also told her he was divorcing her. I think you're being a bit harsh here.

WildBillfemale · 16/06/2014 20:11

H and W where living apart though - weren't they? they had already separated no? The issue is he/she hadn't started divorce proceedings.

OP wasn't a secret or OW

offside · 16/06/2014 20:34

Why are you putting 'wife' in inverted commas? She isn't imaginary, she is very much real and very much still his wife.

WildBillfemale · 16/06/2014 20:44

semantics

Boudica1990 · 16/06/2014 20:59

OP you must now do what is best for you and your child, that is the ONLY option here. Do you think it is fair to bring a child in to a relationship where you feel second best? What type of effect will that have on a child?

Leave, he has been given enough time and chances. Your baby deserves a stable environment, and if that means your partner out of the equation then that is what it means, its tough but fair.

You are not financially or legally linked to him (COUNT YOURSELF FUCKING LUCKY) walk away, take the life line your parents have offered, and enjoy raising your child in the knowledge that he/she will never be second best.

Quitelikely · 16/06/2014 21:11

My marriage is good and I am not bitter. But I read on here on a regular basis the impact affairs have on people and their children. He still shares his salary with her fgs. He is setting a terrible example to his poor daughter and why you are bothered about telling his wife your pregnant is beyond me, considering they have been separated for however many years. Why would she care!

You do reap what you sow. It just happens.

needaholidaynow · 16/06/2014 21:30

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MaryWestmacott · 16/06/2014 21:30

KeepCalm - this wasn't an affair though! The man was living with the OP, she met him once he had already moved out of the family home, I know several people who's divorces have taken 2-3 years to finalise, I wouldn't think it was wrong to start dating someone in that stage, she was lead to believe it was going though. Foolish to go back to him when clear neither him or her wife seem to have any sort of urgency to sort it out, but that's not the same at all as a pregnancy resulting from an affair.

OP - sadly, I would imagine you stay with him or move away, you're going to be doing this alone.

WildBillfemale · 17/06/2014 07:44

Ladies - this wasn't an affair! why the 'you reap what you sow' comments?

ElizaDolittle2 · 17/06/2014 08:29

I know several people who's divorces have taken 2-3 years to finalise, I wouldn't think it was wrong to start dating someone in that stage.

I know of someone who started divorce the moment they have left and it has taken a good 3 years plus to finalise. By which point both parties were with new partners.

If it has to go through court 2-3 years is a fairly common length of time

Mugg1ns · 17/06/2014 08:45

Does the wife also have a new live-in partner ?

yummymummy03122010 · 17/06/2014 08:56

Some people are actually so horrible!! She realises whats gone on and she is asking for advice. Not people giving her stick because your noses are too far up your behinds! Everyone makes mistakes an love makes you do stupid things. Not everyone is perfect (apart from the people slating of course)

All i can say my lovely is that you can become strong enough to get rid of the man and focus on you and your baby. All the best xxx

Morloth · 17/06/2014 08:58

I think as you are intending to continue the pregnancy, you need to assume you will be going it alone.

He sounds shit, sorry.