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Is it too late for change

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blownapart · 16/06/2014 12:54

Been with DP some 12 years, one DS (5). Before we had DS, the relationship felt pretty equal, we both worked and had lots of fun and friends. There were red flags for me at that time that I let slide: saying he didn’t say something when I clearly remembered he did / saying he said something differently to the way I remembered it being said. Also, he was a bit economical with the truth sometimes and would sometimes fib a bit, mostly to make himself look good in front of others.

But, underneath it all, I knew he was a decent person so I let a lot of it slide. I now realise that was a mistake. Once we’d moved in together I noticed he criticised me a lot. I pulled him up on it a few times and it would get better and then worse again. It wasn’t all the time but it could happen at any time, even as part of a normal, happy conversation.

After DS was born and after I went back to work I feel things got worse. Now there were also harsh comments which made me feel small and inconsequential, sometimes in front of other people. I began to feel unhappy. Around this time I ran into an old friend/love interest and my feelings for him ignited. I had what amounted to an enormous crush which has now been going on for a couple of years. There’s no “affair” to speak of, we’re not in contact, just a recognition of mutual admiration and a lot of dreaming and fantasising on my part. I did a lot of thinking about what I wanted from a relationship as a result of this and it really shined a light on the aspects of my relationship with DP that were less than healthy.

Some weeks ago, I told DP that I was unhappy and that I had feelings for someone else and was considering separation. He had a massive wake-up call and said he would do anything to keep things together. I said I didn’t know what I wanted and that I felt quite confused. We were still in the same house but sleeping apart a lot and basically just looking after DS.

Then a few days ago, we spoke again and he said he felt very rejected and asked me if I was having an affair. He said he had seen a psychotherapist and realised that I had experienced verbal and emotional abuse as a result of his behaviour. He said he would do anything to make the necessary changes needed.

Since the conversation I have felt very tearful. I witnessed my father verbally abusing my mother and I realise that I may have subconsciously chosen DP as his sometimes cold and harsh attitude reminds me of my father. I do not feel that I could ever feel safe enough to allow him into my heart to have the kind of open and communicative relationship that I know is possible. Yet he is desperate for things to be repaired and has said he will change.

He wants to get married but I am fearful that his behaviour will revert in 5 or 10 years time once everything is back to normal and then I will really be stuck. On the other hand, sometimes we do have a laugh and there was/is kindness and love between us. He does have many good qualities and can be really fun and jolly. His own negative/abusive traits I am certain are as a result of his own upbringing.

At this time, all I want is to be alone. I’m not sure I want to be around while he works all this out and does his changing. I have my own stuff to deal with and heal. But we both need to be around to look after DS and we can’t afford a second rental home. I am tempted to cut my losses and call time on the relationship. Staying feels like a large risk but would I doing him a disservice? In the context of some of the horrendous things that are reported on this board, this is very minor and a lot of the time things are fine. I’m just not sure I could ever trust this person enough to be vulnerable with them. What to do?

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scarletforya · 16/06/2014 13:03

He said he had seen a psychotherapist and realised that I had experienced verbal and emotional abuse as a result of his behaviour

Nah. I don't believe that. I'm guessing he's just telling you what he thinks you want to hear.

It's amazing how someone abusive can dig deep and find sudden insight when they're in danger of losing their abuse toy.

If he wanted to change he would have done so before. I reckon he'll just promise you the earth/say anything to stop you going.

Quitelikely · 16/06/2014 13:08

Even if someone is all good sometimes it's not right to stay with them if they don't give you what you feel you need from a relationship.

I think you've already (emotionally) left this relationship. Letting it limp on isnt productive for you or him.

dwinnol · 16/06/2014 13:15

Do you believe he has seen a psychotherapist? This seems quite a step to take? Is it feasible in your opinion?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2014 13:26

Re your comment that I have split into two parts:-

" But we both need to be around to look after DS"

Not so, your son would be far better off having two parents apart and happier than to be together and seeing his mother in abject misery.

"and we can’t afford a second rental home".

And that is no reason at all to stay within this now.

You state that you want to be alone; well I think you should strike out on your own with your son now. I would not drag this out indefinitely because doing that is not going to do any of you any favours.

It does appear that you subconsciously chose a man just like your Dad is (bet you as a child you wished your mother had left if she did stay), we learn after all about relationships first and foremost from our parents. Look at what they taught you.

Staying for your son is not a reason either to stay within this.

What do you want to teach your son about relationships now?.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2014 13:30

"He said he had seen a psychotherapist and realised that I had experienced verbal and emotional abuse as a result of his behaviour. He said he would do anything to make the necessary changes needed".

Even if he did visit such a therapist, why was seemingly nothing suggested to him re his seeking out proper help. These men all promise the earth and do not mean it at all. He has only admitted what he is prepared to admit, there is nothing there from him to say how he is going to actually address the root causes. He is also lying to himself here.

You get the relationship that you are willing to put up with, this is not worth putting up with. It would also teach your son a really crap role model of a relationship for him to emulate as an adult.

blownapart · 16/06/2014 13:38

I do think he has spoken to someone, yes.

Atilla - My Dad is no longer alive. When he died my mum and me spoke for the first time about his behaviour and we acknowledged it was a form of abuse. My big question to her was 'why did you stay with him'. She said it was because she loved him. I have done a lot of work since his death to repair the relationship with my mum and come to terms with aspects of my childhood. This is now bringing it all back.

I thought I was past a lot of it and that I could choose someone who would be good to me. It seems not. Will I ever be able to?

I suppose I want to teach my son that a relationship should be a source of happiness, love and support.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2014 13:53

"My big question to her was 'why did you stay with him'. She said it was because she loved him. I have done a lot of work since his death to repair the relationship with my mum and come to terms with aspects of my childhood. This is now bringing it all back".

It would do because you're not in too dissimilar position now to what your mother back then. She chose for her own reasons to stay "she loved him" (that old chestnut). Pity she did not consider the effects her decision would have on you in later life. Her decision amongst many joint ones your parents made taught you a lot of damaging lessons on relationships.

I know of people who asked their parents similar questions as to why they stayed (i.e for the children) and their response was basically calling them daft for doing so. How did you respond?. I reckon you did not ever thank your mother for staying with your late dad.

You can break this cycle and not repeat the mistakes your mother made.
You can have a nice life together with your son. This man can co-parent with you if he chooses to, what you need to do is give him full opportunity to step up as a father. If he did not that is his choice ultimately.

I think you can and will ultimately meet a good and kind man but this man is not him. Being with him also stops you ultimately from meeting someone else. I would consider doing something like Womens Aid Freedom Programme as this is for women who have been in abusive relationships. Work on your own self as well and unlearn all the crap that you were yourself taught when growing up, try reading "Women who love too much" by Robin Norwood.

blownapart · 16/06/2014 14:00

No, I didn't thank my mum for staying. Not at all, I wished she had left. I got walked all over by my first boyfriend at university, a kind female friend there gave me my first feminist book to read and that helped me turn something of a corner.

Thank you so much for your advice on the course and book. I really do want to get past this.

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