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Being manipulated

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lanadelray · 12/06/2014 09:47

I've not been a poster for a while but I've been here before, 3 yrs ago, when I discovered my stbxh was using prostitutes. I was given some amazing advice but, like the idiot I am, I believed his tears and carried on for the children/financial abuse.

I took him back on the understanding that he went to therapy but that didn't last long. His drinking escalated and he withdrew further away from me and the DCs (teens now). We were ok though, we did our own thing, but recently I've been consumed with the idea of being on my own. Even if he hadn't cheated on me, even if he wasn't an alcoholic, every little thing he does annoys the hell out of me. So I made an appointment with a solicitor and looking through our financial paperwork for our meeting it didn't take long to find out that he's never stopped meeting with escorts. I wasn't shocked, we haven't had sex for years because I never trusted him from the first time I found out 3 yrs ago and he never wanted to make any effort to talk about it.

Anyway, I've paid my solicitor and the paperwork is good to go. I plucked up all my courage and told him I want a divorce and I want him to get out. That was a week and a half ago and he's still here. He broke down, he's been to AA everyday, he's quite insistent that he can get me to change my mind! If I say anything he doesn't like he chants some AA mantra at me and tells me that he's not allowed to get angry. He says that he can't move out or he'll kill himself. He says that every bad thing he did was because of being an alcoholic, and it's a disease and I have to be sympathetic, and AA have told him he shouldn't move out, blah, blah. He says "but you forgave me before" but I didn't really, he was too busy doing his own thing to notice.

The house is in joint names so I know I can't make him leave. I thought I'd have to pluck up the courage once to tell him it's over but I'm finding that I have to do it all the time - him - "we need to buy new light shades" Me - "you do understand we are getting divorced?" It's exhausting and slowly I'm beginning to think perhaps I am the mad one wanting a divorce. Also he loves telling me how supportive everyone at AA is, implying that I haven't been yet I've been begging him to get help for years.

I did have a question but after writing this I know what to do. I'm pleased he's getting help but it's nothing to do with me anymore and he's using it to hang on to me for a bit longer and it's just manipulation.

Thank you if you made it to the bottom!

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FatalCabbage · 12/06/2014 09:52

Well done. He's had three years. Great that he's going to meetings now but that's nothing to do with you.

Alcoholism may be a disease, but that doesn't mean your patience and support will be infinite.

Quitelikely · 12/06/2014 09:54

I suppose the starting point would be if you or he could leave the home. What did the solicitor say about the home? Can he be forced to leave? Is it just easier if you put it on the market and buy rent somewhere else? Do you have the money to go and rent?

Maybe that is your best option. I think he's definitely exhausted his life line with you. Your just so used to his cheating and drinking etc you don't even sound angry. Poor thing it's obviously just became normalised for you.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2014 09:57

Glad you realise it's manipulation. Guilt-tripping, not-so-veiled threats and wholesale denial are pretty standard tactics. (So you can add 'unoriginal' to everything else... :) ) Even if the house is in joint names you can pressurise him into leaving. Meet manipulation with coercion... make home life unpleasant, disrupt his routine, stick to your guns, repeat yourself ad nauseam etc. If you haven't done so already, you might find telling others (besides your solicitor and MN) about his behaviour gives you moral support and stops you feeling like you're going mad.

Do keep a record of everything that's going on and keep your solicitor fully up to speed with the grisly details. Do you have a bolthole you can retreat to if it all gets too much?

lanadelray · 12/06/2014 10:13

Guilt-tripping! That's exactly it! About 5 minutes after every "conversation" I think hang on why am I the one feeling like this? He's so bloody good at this.

According to my solicitor it's very likely that the house will need to be sold but after splitting the equity and some other assets and getting a mortgage of my own I should have enough for a very tiny house in the same area and near the DC schools. She's written him a letter telling him that the divorce is definitely happening and he should find a solicitor and move out. I've asked her not to send it yet because he asked for a couple of days. He implied a couple of days to move out but I questioned him 2 days later as he clearly wasn't and he said he wanted a couple of days so I could see he's a better person now!

My eldest has one more week of GCSEs. I had intended waiting until they were over but once I had started thinking about freedom I couldn't stop myself. My youngest would have another month in school but right now I'm thinking that I might just pull him out and go on a grand tour of all my relatives!

I've told one incredibly busy friend and I broke down yesterday and told someone at the gym. i'll probably tell my parents on the weekend, they know about the drinking so I'm really hoping it won't be a surprise.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2014 10:28

I'm glad you're not keeping his secret for him any more. It's already an emotionally stressful situation and secrecy just makes you feel isolated on top. There's always an element of embarrassment to these things and you don't want to be the subject of gossip, but I think it's essential to get key people on your side for those times when you feel a bit wobbly.

I would tell the solicitor to send the letter now rather than waiting. The postal system being what it is, it probably won't arrive in time to disrupt GCSEs. He's trying to kick the can down the road with his 'couple of days' thing of course. He's had years to be a 'better person' and failed utterly.

Travel sounds like a lovely idea.

lanadelray · 12/06/2014 14:44

He's come home again as if nothing's happened. I'm finding it insulting, as if I don't have opinions and my emotions mean nothing. I've asked the solicitor to send the letter and I've told a couple more people who've confirmed that I'm not crazy and I'm doing the right thing. It feels good to be able to vent here too.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2014 14:49

He's an alcoholic and alcoholics avoid the difficult things in life by escaping into a bottle of something rather than facing it out. Of course he acts as though nothing has happened.... it's his default setting.

lanadelray · 12/06/2014 21:08

Thank you Cogito. Everything you say makes sense. I've decided I'm done talking with him. Whatever I say he twists until it's about his recovery and how I mustn't upset him. We're not getting anywhere so I'll let my solicitor do the talking.

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lanadelray · 13/06/2014 20:49

Well he's gone! It was awful and apparently it's all my fault because I didn't give him enough chances! I know there's some crappy days to come but I'm looking forward to a new beginning. Thanks for the kind words.

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CookieMonsterIsHot · 13/06/2014 20:54

Congratulations!

whitsernam · 13/06/2014 20:55

Lana - He can try to blame you all he wants; that doesn't make it your fault. This sounds like typical alcoholic behavior, and typical abusive behavior, honestly; him wanting you to change and not him. You know this in your mind, and just need to keep moving ahead and taking care of your Cs until the details get worked out. You really are doing the right thing. Thanks Brew

Millie3030 · 13/06/2014 20:57

Great news, not bad for Friday the 13th! Hope your future is brilliant without him.

Cabrinha · 13/06/2014 22:47

How wonderful that he's gone!
If there was any truth to him wanting to win you round, he wouldn't have continued to be an arsehole, would he?!
Good riddance.
I speak as someone with a STBXH who never stopped using prostitutes.
Trust me, it is WONDERFUL when you get shot of them.
high five

CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/06/2014 23:39

Sounds like a good start to the weekend and I hope you're OK.

lanadelray · 13/06/2014 23:55

Thank you everyone, it means so much. I'm high fiving you Cabrinha ?

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