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help/advice/support needed re liar and cheat of a man

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rosepink123 · 11/06/2014 18:17

Sorry so long and if I ramble but my head is all over the place. I've just joined MN as can't think of where to turn. I've known a man for 2 and a half years, text nearly every day, met my kids (who love him). he lives a long distance away so didn't see each other very often. We were friends at first and then in a (I think) exclusive relationship. During that time I found out he had cheated on his girlfriend (I thought was EX) with me, had lied about other women he'd slept with etc I was heartbroken but in love with him. He accepted he was a pathological liar. I was in so deep and I guess invested so much time I stood by him (looking back he somehow managed to turn it into him being a victim) and I truly believed he loved me but just was struggling to end habitual lying. I know I'm STUPID. I know he's lied to family, friends etc and even committed fraud but I thought because I thought I'd explained he didn't need to lie to me and he could see the pain it caused to me he would treat me different. I guess I loved him as close to unconditionally as you can.
However, I did see that I couldn't be in an exclusive relationship with him and the long distance thing wasn't working so we remained friends with benefits. I didn't ask him anything about the relationship side of his life as he may just be compelled to lie anyway but I did ask that if anything changed I wanted him to be upfront as I couldn't see anything he could tell me would want me to stop being his friend.
Skip forward to last few days. He's visited me and been as attentive and loving as ever. Truly wonderful. I knew he was getting a mortgage to buy a flat but couldn't figure out how he could afford it. This morning I asked him outright if he was going to be living with anyone else. He said a friend, female and when I asked, no he hadn't slept with her and it was more of a convenience thing. According to him nothing was going to change between us. For the first time ever I followed my gut instinct and told him that was bull and to at least tell me the truth as I can handle it, so I thought. The reality is (as much as he's willing to admit) he's being seeing her several months (we haven't seen each other in that time) and they're in a relationship. I asked if they were supposedly exclusive and he said he doesn't ask what she gets up to and she could be getting up to allsorts when she goes out. I said that's not the point. I asked if he loves her and he just shrugged his shoulders so asked if he tells her he loves her and he said 'yes'. I said 'well, put it this way if she found out we'd slept together would she be hurt?' he said 'yes'! I'm so furious that he's doing this to someone AGAIN and who is so trusting and unsuspecting. She is much younger and is getting a mortgage with him. Obviously I'm mad that he tried to lie to me again even though he did come clean in the end. If I hadn't said he was talking bull he would have kept stringing us both along. He even said he would still come and see me and text me. What's really sad is I'm tempted to let him :( but I just can't stop thinking about this poor girl getting financially tied to him. I feel so used, dirty and stupid. I'm try to always look for the best in people but it gets me hurt.
Please tell me how to get over him and what to do. I will miss him terribly from my life but do not want to be the 'other woman'. I'm such a mess.

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steelchic · 11/06/2014 19:26

I'm so sorry you're going through this. I have now wise words for you, but please cut this man out of your life. You know he is a pathological liar. Please think of it as a lucky escape this poor girl will be taken to the cleaners by him. I'm no psychologist but he does sound as if he has some sort of personality disorder. Don't waste anymore time on him ...take care x

UncrushedParsley · 11/06/2014 19:30

You need to release him back into the wild, but you know this....IME these types continue to lie. The relationship he has with the co-owner of the flat is not your responsibility, and if you tried to help, it would somehow be turned into you being jealous or something. She needs to sort it out for herself unfortunately. You will get over him, you just need time, and to stop having FWB x

steelchic · 11/06/2014 19:32

Also, don't blame yourself for seeing the best in people ( I'm a bit like that too). You are not stupid he is manipulative and an accomplished liar, he could have duped anyone ( and is doing so again ). You will miss him but you are missing the man you thought he was not the man he is. X

Littletigers · 11/06/2014 19:32

Sounds just like my ex! Bin him off! What's so great about this man?????

Viviennemary · 11/06/2014 19:36

He is a total waste of space. He is every woman's nightmare. Try and get that into your head and it would be a start. I don't think you should be worrying about this other woman. She will find out what he's like in the end. Concentrate on yourself and building a happy life. Which won't be easy whilst this complete waster is in it. Get rid. You know it's the only option. good luck.

rosepink123 · 11/06/2014 19:37

Thank you for your replies. I know you're right and I need to cut him out. The heartbreak is unbearable. I haven't eaten yet today. I would like to find a nice man but I'm not good at picking them. When the text hugs I get from him are the only affection I have it's hard to let go of that

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AnyFucker · 11/06/2014 19:37

Get out of this right now

You know what you need to do

I would also tell his young girlfriend exactly what she is letting herself in for, before she ends up like you...in denial, hooked on a despicable liar and telling herself all sorts of shit just to keep his attention

I wouldn't wish that on anyone

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 11/06/2014 19:40

You know the advice you need. Focus on his lies. You've known he was a pathological liar for some time. Nothing has changed except you've decided not to listen to his lies any longer. Him putting you through the wringer like this should stiffen your resolve to keep the hell away from him. Nothing good can come of weakening except more of the same shit.

rosepink123 · 11/06/2014 19:59

I just don't know how to do it.
How do I stop feeling sick? Stop crying? Stop feeling lonely on an evening and unable to go out because the kids are young ? It makes me weak to fall for manipulative types.
He was so amazing (affectionate, calm mannered - I had an explosive ex, great with the kids, listened to me, would text any time of day or night if I felt alone, had a hard day) which is why I put up with the fact he had lied. It may sound ridiculous but the hardest thing to let go of is the texts. Just knowing someone was there for me at the end of a phone when I feel isolated. How do other single parents cope? I don't have family.
I don't know his girlfriend so couldn't tell her about him even if I wanted to.

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YellowTulips · 11/06/2014 20:06

Do you really think this man is improving your quality of life?

The reality is he is stopping you from getting a life with someone who loves you and respects you.

He is total poison. You need to go no contact and detox.

rosepink123 · 11/06/2014 20:21

I know what your saying YellowTulips but it's hard to give up the good bits when it leaves you with nothing. I haven't texted him yet today so going strong so far.

I know his girlfriends name, age and a few details, probably enough for someone to recognise her if they knew her. I don't think she has children so won't be on here. he's getting away with it, yet again and I dare say always will. Yes, part of me is bitter and I don't like that part of me. He's getting away with it

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mustardtomango · 11/06/2014 20:51

I really feel for you

'text hugs' are, however, the poor relation to real ones. Especially real ones that are yours and yours alone.

You don't need second best. Even if you don't feel great about picking good ones, you're giving yourself a chance by trying again (when you're comfortable with that). Honestly, they're out there, I promise xx

AnyFucker · 11/06/2014 20:56

Give me your mobile

I will text you "hugs" or get one of my male friends to do it

Seriously, this is the extent of what they mean

They are illusions

How old are you ? No offence, but you sound like a teenager instead of a grown woman. You can live without this man, of course you can. What did you do before you met him ? You are handing hi far too much power to say he changed your life so profoundly you are no longer able to function without him. That is simply horseshit to excuse the fact you have overlooked the fact he is a skanky liar

the sooner you face up to that, the better

YellowTulips · 11/06/2014 21:32

The point OP is you have less than nothing now.

All you are giving up is being used and left feeling hollow and empty and degraded.

His "love" is worse than nothing. It's sucking your soul. He's an emotional fucking vampire. For gods sake stop letting him drain you!

Littletigers · 11/06/2014 22:24

Yes- don't text. Get a real hugger

rosepink123 · 12/06/2014 10:00

I know you are all right and any of you are welcome to come over here and give me a hard slap across the face.
Of course it's easy to walk away from a liar/cheat etc but these people only get away with it because they are so good at manipulating and creating an illusion of who they are. It's the illusion that's hard to give up but I know that's all it is.
I know I need to woman up, get over it and get on with my life. I think what is making it particularly hard is I always believed in some kind of karma. That you reap what you sow, what goes around comes around and all that. But I think I've lost my faith. Whenever he gets found out he has no emotion, regret or remorse he just dusts himself off and moves onto the next. That is how his life will continue and he'll probably die an old and happy man in the arms of his last victim who won't ever know what he's like or all the pain he has caused people. Maybe that's why I'm finding it so hard. I know I can do this. I know I can move on...though I've totally given up on men, the decent ones are few and far between and not worth spending any more of my time or energy looking for. But I've lost my faith and that's what really hurts.

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Quitelikely · 12/06/2014 10:13

Hun how old are your children? Do you have friends?

There is more to life that this moron. He has taken advantage of your vulnerability and you have taken whatever he has has given you. My heart goes out to you because I know it can be a struggle on the nights when your stuck home with the children but things can change. Your life can be more successful. Do you work?

There is more to life than him

Quitelikely · 12/06/2014 10:14

And you do not deserve a slap in the face! I can think of someone who might though........

rosepink123 · 12/06/2014 15:13

My children are 9 and 5. My closest friends have moved away and I work part-time. I know I can get through this. I've got dressed and eaten today! Going to spend some time looking for books to buy on how to recover form a sociopath etc Any recommendations greatly appreciated!

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