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Need some perspective (is it just not all that bad)

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hifive · 10/06/2014 11:04

Hello all. I really need some outside perspective and can't talk to friends or family about this. Thanks in advance for your time.

Husband and I have a 2 1/2 year old girl. We both adore her, but like any toddler, she can be challenging. And she doesn't sleep through the night in her own bed (we didn't do hardcore sleep training early on) which is tiring. We are all under a certain amount of stress as we recently moved cities for my husband to take a new job, so we are trying to settle into a new town, I'm out of work and haven't had any luck from interviews yet (was working full-time all my life til now), we don't have any friends or family here, and of course it's a huge transition for poor DD who is missing her old nursery and so on.

What I need perspective on is anger. I know my stress often manifests itself as anger and I too often am shouty and snappy with DD when I should be patient and want to smack her. I know nobody's a perfect parent, but I also know I'm going too far sometimes and need to do better. I'm looking into anger management techniques and will try the various helplines for advice on it and on dealing patiently with toddlers. And when I do shout at her I apologize and acknowledge what I'm doing wrong, so hopefully I'm not incorrigible.

I'm more concerned about my husband. He is not physically abusive and he adores her and me. But he is frequently in a bad temper (it's possibly because of stress/depression but he doesn't want to seek any help for that and denies he might be depressed), often swearing at inanimate objects (I know everyone does that sometimes, but I mean he sounds REALLY angry when he does, or if he spills a drop of food on himself or something) and he is very touchy about this and I don't feel we can discuss it. Last night when he was giving DD her bath and had to scrub her hands (they had gotten muddy and she had a cut on one) and she was resisting, as a toddler might do, but I could hear him from downstairs shouting "you'll do as you're told" at her over her crying. I came upstairs (I was furious) and said something to him, I can't even remember what, I find my memory is really fuzzy perhaps from lost sleep, but I do remember him following me into the next room scolding me angrily for "undermining him" while he's doing some necessary parenting thing and me arguing that it wasn't about me not wanting him to wash her hands, just his approach. But he is always very defensive and insists he is in the right.

It's such a small incident but there are so many, and I know I'm not perfect either (walking her up the road to her nursery session this morning I kept grumping at her for poking along so slowly) but ... I don't know what I'm asking for, I know what he does is wrong but it's "not bad enough" to confront him about (see:defensiveness and increased anger whenever he feels threatened, but also the fact that he does, truly, love us both) or to leave (I have no job prospects so far and my family lives overseas, I am afraid he wouldn't agree for me to move back overseas with DD if we separated :-(). But then I keep thinking I'm just blowing the whole thing out of proportion and everyone gets short-tempered with a toddler from time to time and is this all completely normal?

Sorry this is so long.

OP posts:
Galvanised · 10/06/2014 11:12

I think you are both stressed.
Tiredness for both of you?
I think he might be stressed because of the job change and perhaps financial issues with you not working?
I'm sure you are stressed because of the lack of a job but most importantly, because your husband is allowing himself to get in appropriately angry over little things.
If you cannot have a conversation about his anger and how it is affecting you ( especially in the way you parent), then you are not over reacting.
Something has to change.

Galvanised · 10/06/2014 11:13

Inappropriately

hifive · 10/06/2014 11:37

Thanks for your thoughts. Yes, it's a stressful situation for both of us, which is increasing tensions.

He has always been an angry person, though, that isn't new and it's just that I put up with it when it was just me and he wasn't directing it at DD because I figured I could cope.

OP posts:
Glenshee · 10/06/2014 12:00

When you can't discuss things openly and have a constructive healthy argument - you have a problem. It's a dangerous place for a relationship.

Glenshee · 10/06/2014 12:01

(meaning you can't discuss and you CAN'T have an argument / post-mortem discussion in a civilized way)

Glenshee · 10/06/2014 12:03

If it's routinely like this, I would put the actual incident behind you and would start focusing on the quality of your communication in the future.

Lweji · 10/06/2014 12:12

It's easy to parent from the outside.
You said yourself you can be a shouty parent and it looks like he is unreasonable when you are not in his position.

It seems to me that you both need to talk properly about parenting and parenting strategies, preferably when you have quiet times.
You can both support each other when a stressful situation emerges and learn to pass the child to each other when you feel the rage coming.

Maybe get a parenting book and agree on strategies that you are both happy with.

Otherwise I just feel sorry for your child.

Gen35 · 10/06/2014 12:30

I've moved to a place with no network, this op could have been dh and I. What helped? Are you a bit lonely and unsupported? Can you meet other mums via posting for new people who've moved to the area on the local mn talk? Worked for me, helped hugely. Also, neither of you is getting enough breaks or rest. Stress with dc is always worse for me when I feel overwhelmed. Can you and dh both get activities such as gym membership you can do on your own for some head space resetting? Also, agree on your parenting strategies - dcs do the same things over and over - so we agreed that we'd walk away when we were feeling that cross trigger, helped hugely, worst thing to do is dig in when they're resisting an action. Make it all very logical, this action (tantrum), this consequence.

Gen35 · 10/06/2014 12:34

Ps I also love working and i can see you're feeling rudderless but I'd address the parenting, nursery, stress and friends aspect first - I got a ft job quickly and then had months of being lonely at weekends, dd hating nursery etc. I see the above things as pillars you need to have to be able to focus in the work search/working.

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