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Making a concious decision of not being a doormat anymore.

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Etah · 10/06/2014 10:18

I have being doing a lot of soul searching this year and after my Birthday in March I just realised how I was letting people disrespect me. They would do it in such insidious ways sometimes, it was even hard for me to notice I was been taking for a ride.
Since March I have been working on re assuring myself that I deserve respect and I don't need to bend over backwards to satisfy people in detriment of myself.
It is not easy.
And I just confronted another one of them after a 4 day debate with my soul.
Onwards and upwords from now on.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2014 11:28

You'll find it gets easier with practise and the four day internal debates become no longer than it takes to breathe in and out again . :)

Etah · 10/06/2014 11:46

Thanks cogito.
I was questipn myself: " why Am I being so mean? Why not let them get away with it? Poor them...it is not such a big deal after all....."
Now I ask myself: Would they do this to any other person? Hell no! So why to me?
I am putting myself first for once but still need to get rid of the guilty feeling.

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CookieMonsterIsHot · 10/06/2014 13:00

Good luck! You'll be sooooo much happier.

I am not a doormat Grin. Perversely, a somewhat abusive childhood led me to cure myself in early adulthood. I have some tips...

I have noticed that doormats over-explain themselves. This makes it harder to say "No". They tie themselves up in knots finding an "acceptable" explanation of why they can't bend over backwards. In the meantime they prevaricate, waffle, generally fail to say "No" even though they want to.

You don't need a "good reason" to say no. You might find it easier to stop feeling guilty if you stop explaining yourself (assuming you do over-explain).

It doesn't matter one jot why you are saying no. Normal people don't actually care why you are saying no, they are too busy thinking of different solutions to their problem. Users (not normal people) need to be told "no" very clearly so they know it is not open for "discussion", i.e. brow-beating you into submission. "No" without explanation is absolutely clear.

I learned to only explain if I genuinely want to help but circumstance is stopping me and I want the friend to feel comfortable asking in future.

Examples from last few years where request was identical.

  1. Pregnant friend asked me to pick up her kid from school when she was puking her guts up with morning sickness but I had a dentist appointment for a cracked tooth. I said no, explained that I couldn't because of dentist, and that it would be OK to ask in future if necessary, I'd be happy to help. She did ask again. I did help. We are friends.

  2. Massively disorganised friend asked me to pick up her kid from school again when she was running late again. I work longer hours than her ffs with younger DC. Last two times she asked I just said "Oh, no, I can't do that today, sorry" in a neutral tone of voice. I had no reason other than mild pissed-offedness, I gave no reason even when she huffed and puffed and sounded a bit peeved. She found other solutions. We are still friends.

  3. Friend asked me to pick up her kid from school. I was feeling exhausted that day. Crap reason to not do it really but I know my limits. I said "Oh, no, I can't do that today, sorry" in a neutral tone of voice. I did not give a reason. She found someone else to do it. She wasn't bothered. She's nice, she doesn't want her friends to feel put-upon, she's OK hearing no. We are still friends.

Remember, you don't have to find/offer an alternative solution when you say no. The other person is an intelligent human being who can find their own solution.

If, like many a doormat, you find it hard to stop talking after "Oh, no, I can't do that today", "oh dear, no, that won't work for me", remember people love talking about themselves. Ask them a question about themselves or their situation.

You could say sympathetically "Are you having a bit of a mare today?", "How's Burt's lumbago?", "Oh poor you, car still not fixed, how annoying for you!".

You've already said "No", so you both know you aren't engaged in a negotiation, you are just being a nice person offering a shoulder to cry on (which is a hugely valuable characteristic in a friend).

If the person tries to pressure you, STILL DO NOT EXPLAIN and disengage from conversation asap, "No, really, I can't today. I'm in a bit of a rush myself at the moment. Good luck it sorting out. See you later. Bye".

Slights, put-downs, little disrespects (a favourite of my toxic mother and her family), raise an eyebrow or give a little incredulous giggle, "Saucer of milk with that comment?!", "Got out of bed the wrong side today, did we?", "Yeah, yeah, if you say so ", "Thanks for that. Very helpful ".

I find it helps to recognise that disrespectful behaviour is a sign of the other person's personality, especially tendency to bully. It actually has nothing to do with the reality of you. React accordingly.

Surprisingly, I learnt the above from my DF who is a bully. He is exceptionally good at dealing with bullies himself. I can put him back in his box easily these days. Wow.

If putter-downer persists or escalates, raise eyebrows, say "Well, this is lovely but I really must be off now, see you later" and walk away / put phone down / talk to someone else. It's the only way they learn.

One of my brothers has definite people-pleaser doormat tendencies that he fights to keep under control. He says it helps him to remember that you help no-one by enabling a bully to bully. You can only help them by setting clear boundaries and enforcing them, in the nicest possible way, probably while saying sorry, of course Wink.

Flipping heck, that's almost a book!

Good luck!

CookieMonsterIsHot · 10/06/2014 13:20

Oh, here's another one that helped me with guilt trips. It is a version of a famous political quote that I can't remember properly

"If no-one is squealing then your reforms aren't doing anything".

This applies to your own mind when making a big change. The misplaced guilt is your mind squealing at you. Like Cog wrote, it WILL get easier as your mind gets used to the new reality.

It also applies to the dis-respecters giving you trouble. They'll whine and bitch. Maybe they'll become actively aggressive. Or sulk. It is all just squealing at the new reality. Ho hum. They'll get used to it. Or they'll fuck off. Or you'll fuck off away from them.

If you want the new reality then you'll have to power through the squealing. As Churchill said "When you are going through hell, keep going."

You could give us all joy by posting about your little victories here Smile.

Etah · 10/06/2014 13:35

YY to over-explaining.

Thank you so much cookie. Your post is really helpful to me.

I am wondering if I have a big problem with my ego tbh.
I either think that everyone needs my help, that they can't cope if I don't help, that they can really turn their lives around with my advice...Hmm
And usually I am not good at letting ignoring the putter-downers so I either suffer in silence or fight with them to show my worth. It is pointless.

Just need to learn to walk away and live my own life, I think.

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Etah · 10/06/2014 13:47

So here is one:
I have this former client who begged me to do a job for her. I do my best to mould to all her needs and last minute changes. She is happy, all good.
Now, when she was my client, she knew very well I charge in advance. She did not pay me in advance. I mentioned that I would expect to get paid when the job was done. She didn't pay. I waited. waited. waited.
Nothing.
Now it isn't a lot of money, and I don't even need right now, it will go straight into my savings but...
Why didn't she come to me and explained she had no money and could she pay at any other time? I would say yes, as I done many times before...Why is she pretending she forgot?

So I reminded her again this morning. Apparently she will pay today.

Than I am know stopping myself for not getting in touch and arranging something nice that will benefit her, I feel guilty and want to make up for putting her on the spot.
But when I see her next time I will explain that the deal is not the money is the principle. If she communicated with me and didn't pretend she didn't own me anything, I could have bended backwards being more flexible...
Or better just say nothing?
I want to let her know I can still do business with her in the future..

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2014 13:56

Say it... The crus of assertiveness is that you say it rather than not say it. You say it and risk a negative reaction because it's more important to express yourself honestly and straightforwardly than to beat around the bush in an effort to be liked.

For example, tell this former client that you want to do business with her in future and you're prepared to be flexible, but because of the late payment this time, you'll have to get her to pay in advance like everyone else. I wouldn't go into explanations of things like principles or communications... just strip it to the bare bones, set the new expectation and then everyone's on the same page.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 10/06/2014 13:56

Hi Etah
Congratulations on making the change! Flowers

Would they do this to any other person? Hell no!
I usually think the opposite...they will use anyone they can manipulate. And probably have a shopping list of folks to choose from.

The phrase "use someone else" helped me make a
well justified boundary without the guilt. Whether you use those words or not, they will happily or not trot along to their next target.

My problem was recognizing the dynamic at first as in what is doing someone a favor and what is someone using you. Now if someone is being extra nice out of the blue...yeah...My schedule is full even before they've finished their opening compliments. Wink

CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/06/2014 13:56

crux... not crus.. Confused

CookieMonsterIsHot · 10/06/2014 14:29

Absolutely what cogito said about the client. I work freelance. This is exactly what I would do.

tell this former client that you want to do business with her in future and you're prepared to be flexible, but because of the late payment this time, you'll have to get her to pay in advance like everyone else.

When debating an "explanation" consider what information she needs that only you can impart:

  1. That you want to work with her in future. She might reasonably think you don't.
  1. That she will have to pay in advance in future. She might reasonably think that if you are willing to work with her again that the late payment was OK.

Everything else is patronising, irrelevant or confusing.

She is a grown woman, a business person, presumably intelligent, probably embarrassed and feeling guilty.

She interacted with you in a way that was unacceptable to you. She doesn't need your best mummy is very disappointed face as you talk to her about principles, communication and lying. She only needs 1&2 above from you.

I bet she'll be hugely relieved if you are all matter of fact and non-judgemental about it. It will make you seem uber-professional too.

Easy, see Grin.

GarlicJuneBlooms · 10/06/2014 15:04

What FANTASTIC advice from Cog and Cookie! The pair of you should write a book Grin

Sounds like you're doing really well, Etah. They're spot on, it becomes second nature with practice.

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