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Advice please...

18 replies

chelida · 07/06/2014 22:23

I'd be really glad for any advice....sometimes I think my relationship can be patched up and could be okay, sometimes I think I'm a fool for not having left already :( After some horrible life events and a traumatic birth last year, I'm horribly depressed and sad and cry all the time, feel like I'm sliding into a sort of paralysis where I can't do anything. Sorry this is so long :(

I don't have PND, though for ages I worried I did: I'm depressed because of my partner. He has a nasty temper and is constantly snapping and shouting; he is constantly, and has since I became pregnant, been constantly nasty - just really nasty comments, lots of name-calling (including swearing at me, telling me I'm a liar, hypocrite, crazy, "mental", "stupid woman" and so on). Lots of talking to me in a contemptuous tone, comments about my appearance, body and character, picking fights, overreacting about completely petty and nonsensical things. I used to be able to remain more calm but now am so strung out I can't easily keep cool and I get very upset. The verbal and emotional abuse was much worse when I was pregnant and when DD was a bit younger, we have been going to couples counselling, but even though it's decreased a bit it's still going on (eg. every 2-3 days rather than several times a day). I have been trying to fix it for ages as well as being the main wage earner, having financial problems and being ill a lot (it took me a long time to recover from birth injuries, and I seem to have no immune system left so am catching a lot of viruses all the time).

I've bought him books, pushed for counselling, tried to reason with him, tried to avoid triggering it, and I'm so tired and unhappy. He has been looking after DD while I'm at work, as we have no childcare; but the house is often a mess and in chaos and he complains I don't do enough (I try but am just too tired to be at work all day, then come home, look after DD and put her to bed, finish off work in the evening, and then also clean and sort out all of the house - I already do as much as I can in the house). I'm still bf and co-sleeping, and DD has only just started to sleep through so I've had nearly a year of 6hrs or less a night and I'm still exhausted from that. (As I co-sleep with DD I do all the night wakings.) He does do the cooking and childcare for DD while I'm at work. He is kind and gentle with her, just not with me.

Family don't help (that's a whole other story; my parents are very difficult people, and they had an argumentative dysfunctional relationship which I'm terrified of recreating for my DD and I'm horrified that it seems like history is repeating itself). MIL is also a difficult person and has always indulged DP's temper and sort of rewarded it. We're really isolated without support or many friends here - most of my friends are scattered around the country now, and DP doesn't really have any friends. I feel like there's no help for me anywhere and I feel horribly trapped :( The house is in my name, but I can't afford childcare as well as the mortgage if DP isn't here, and he isn't earning (he's meant to be finishing his degree), so he has nowhere to go and no money. If I chuck him out, right now he'd only be able to get a very basic job which would just about pay his rent on a room (we're in greater London because of my job), so then he wouldn't be able to look after DD
and he'd have to drop out of his degree. It feels like I'm well and truly stuck. Plus this is DD's family - I wanted her to have a lovely family. I wanted her to have the happy family I didn't have :(

DP says he loves me and doesn't want to leave but he can't seem stop the constant nastiness - I think he genuinely thinks I'm unreasonable for not just indulging his temper the way his mum does. What he would like, I think, would be to just be allowed to be nasty whenever he wants but for me to remain impassive and placatory about it (that's what his mum does when he's nasty to her), and just excuse it as his temper. But I'm in bits, as I just can't manage being called names and being blown up at all the time, plus I can't forget the truly awful things he's said to me (you really would be shocked by some - eg. three weeks after a traumatic birth with a broken-down third degree tear when I was in complete shock and also had a chest infection, telling me he wasn't attracted to me any more, my breasts looked horrible, and he wished he could sleep with other women... :( Or calling me a cunt while I was breastfeeding a three-month-old because I'd asked him if he would mind getting me a cup of tea.... lots and lots more, too...)

If I say something he takes exception to, no matter how innocuous - genuinely innocuous, I can just be chatting away about nothing - I'm "behaving badly", I'm "obnoxious", he'll say I'm abusive, I'm irrational, a horrible person. When he's calmed down, which might be several hours later, he'll apologise and say he was wrong - for some of it, at least; he'll always say I provoked him in some way, even if I really didn't. I'm not being disingenuous here at all: I've always had good relationships before and have seen my parents' awful marriage and I know it's not me, it really isn't. And I have turned into a bit of a wreck, so I don't deal with this well at all any more.

I think he does feel genuinely remorseful and wishes he hadn't said and done many things. E has had a genuinely awful / dysfunctional upbringing. He adores DD. He can be kind and caring. We get on really well when he isn't doung this. It has been getting a bit better and he does seem really to be trying. But he can't seem to just curb his temper full stop. If he could just stop the angry outbursts and nasty comments we could try to rebuild the relationship, and in the occasions he does manage for a few days it does get a lot better. But I'm so tired of waiting and trying to manage and hoping and I'm so, so depressed (GP has suggested antidepressants but I don't see why I should medicate myself up to offset the effects of someone else's temper tantrums...) I don't know what to do. And I used to be a really strong and capable person, but all this and the birth and various other things (problems at work etc.) have really knocked me, and I'm struggling. I feel like I couldn't manage DD and the house and everything on my own now - I've even become scared of driving! I really need to do something to stop me sliding into this awful state of paralysis any further.

Does anyone have any advice for something I could do to change things? It may well be that we need to separate, but it isn't logistically possible right now - I've done the sums and we can't afford living costs and childcare at the moment if we separate. I'd have to give up the house (I'd lose the deposit, more than 20k - it's shared ownership and has horrendous lease conditions), have to give up my job, and move in with my parents 300 miles away - from one dysfunctional family back into another! :( Is there any way of trying something I haven't thought of yet? :(

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chelida · 07/06/2014 23:10

Bumping....I know my thread title is a bit boring, just didn't want DP finding it....

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Butterflyspring · 07/06/2014 23:22

he is abusive - nothing you can do will change that. Couples counselling is never recommended if there is abuse.

all Women's Aid and get the hell out.

And why would you lose the deposit? And single parent working you will get childcare and working tax credits plus he will need to pay you maintenance.

BuzzardBird · 07/06/2014 23:26

Has he been to the Doctors?

Ediemccreedy · 07/06/2014 23:26

You sound like a lovely person who has been emotionally battered. I think you know that you can't go on as you have been. I hope someone wiser than me comes along to advise you.

hamptoncourt · 07/06/2014 23:28

Cocklodger.

Get out as soon as you can. He will whine and say he can change but you know damn well he can't/won't.

Please call womens aid or speak to a solicitor - many will do 30 mins free - and see what your actual options are. Your life can be so much better than this I promise you.

The fact that you have a dysfunctional family background is probably no coincidence. You may have been conditioned to have low self esteem and accept crap. Time to change - we are behind you.

chelida · 07/06/2014 23:37

Thank you - butterfly he is on antidepressants and has been for a year but nothing has changed much - he also has another medical problem which can cause irritability, but to be honest I think it is more to do with the way MIL brought him up. I don't think he is depressed, I think he is bad tempered and entitled. :( re the house - I earn just too much to get any help in terms of tax credits, but if I give up my job I wouldn't get enough to pay the rent + mortgage (and wouldn't get HB on the mortgage part). Just too expensive an area, sadly (though the house is tiny). The shared ownership lease has lots of conditions that mean I can't easily sell it on, but if I miss even one rent payment exactly on time I lose the whole deposit as well as the house. Really a bit f**d! Agh. Childcare is atrocious round here too - wish I could move but my job isn't very portable.

ediem thank you - I do feel rather emotionally battered! And not as able to fend off his behaviour as the old me would have been.

I know he's unlikely to change much. He has been trying and it is a bit better. I just don't know if it can be quickly enough. I can see he might grow out of this (he's quite young), but I feel things are really (too?) damaged with us. :(

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chelida · 07/06/2014 23:44

hampton thank you - I spoke to a solicitor who was helpful, but she recommended a counsellor who was much more into keeping families together and basically suggested I should humour him in order to help him to change. I feel really tormented by the thought of destroying DD's family. He says he doesn't want that and will stop doing it, but it would be so easy just to not be nasty - and he can't seem to manage it, or at least not for more than 2-3 days. Though the first time we saw the couples counsellor he managed three weeks with minimal nastiness (and things were so much better during that time), so he can do it, just doesn't seem like he wants to.

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Ediemccreedy · 07/06/2014 23:45

Could you rent a room in your house to generate income if you got rid?

HippieInASecondLocation · 07/06/2014 23:50

You wouldn't be destroying DD's family. That damage has already been done. You now need to think about how you can improve things for you and for her. He is the only one who can change his responses and actions. And he's clearly not able or prepared to do that. So you're going to have to do the best thing here. It's not fair but for the betterment of 2/3 of the family, it now rests on you to find solutions.

HippieInASecondLocation · 07/06/2014 23:51

And by solutions I don't mean putting up with or him outing him. Can't believe the advice you got from a counsellor. I mean solutions to do with housing etc. Your daughter shouldn't grow up seeing her mother abused in front of her, and you deserve better.

chelida · 07/06/2014 23:51

I thought of that but the lease doesn't allow me to sub-let any part of the house. Rent+mortgage bit is 50% of my net income so I'm well and truly trapped! If he finished his course and gets a job then things might be more flexible, but until then I don't know why he can't just make the best of it, even just be civil to me if he feels trapped too. Instead he's angry at me for being a "shit mother" because I work, even though I don't have any option.

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HippieInASecondLocation · 07/06/2014 23:52

Agh! "Humouring" him, not him outing him.

chelida · 07/06/2014 23:53

Am knackered so must sleep soon and check back tomorrow, but it really helps to have some support - thank you!

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wafflyversatile · 08/06/2014 00:01

Is it an HA? Can you renegotiate the mortgage/rent? Extend the period of the mortgage? Have you been there long enough to make it worthwhile selling? could you just walk away from it and start again (metaphorically, I realise there would be legal stuff to sort with the HA? Can you at least phone the HA and ask?

Can you go to counselling on your own, preferably not with one who prioritises keeping families together?

Have you done the Tax Credit calculator?

SolidGoldBrass · 08/06/2014 00:03

Have a chat to WOmen's Aid, they may be able to come up with appropriate solutions so you can manage financially.

But please understand that it's not that this man can't change, but that he doesn't want to. He LIKES bullying you. It makes him feel good.

He sounds like a bit of a failure in general, and it boosts his ego to throw his weight about at home. Like all abusive men, he has a deep-seated belief that he is your superior because he has a penis and you do not have one.

Butterflyspring · 08/06/2014 00:19

so you are keeping him while he studies? Then you will be financially better off without him.

I agree he is how he is because he wants to be - don't blame abuse and bullying on depression.

maras2 · 08/06/2014 07:56

You do know that slavery has been abolished don't you? This shocking excuse for a man is never going to change.I'm sure that there must be some way that you and your baby can go it alone;the sooner the better before she picks up on his nastiness.You surely can't want her to think that all men are lazy,selfish,abusive pigs.As for counselling, save your money.You sound like a lovely mum;don't give this cocklodger the satisfaction that he obviously gets from being so mean to you.Best of luck. Mx.

pilates · 08/06/2014 08:47

I would get second advice from another Solicitor. Did I read right, to humour him?? Shock You really cannot keep going in this truly awful "relationship". I'm presuming your DD is very small at the moment so not aware of the way he treats you but in a few years that won't be the case. Your DD needs a strong, healthy and happy mummy. Good luck.

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