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Help - he's an idiot

43 replies

Rightallalong · 29/05/2014 23:02

My DP left the country 3 weeks ago for a business trip. We had reconciled after his recent EA.
The AP lives in another country.

Unfortunately, I found him out straight away and finally forced a confession 5 days in that he'd been seeing her - enough of a deal breaker for me - but he also confessed that it had now turned physical. She could have turned things physical on his last trip but didn't. She's kept him at arms length throughout because she had a boyfriend, another work colleague of theirs. He dumped her the week before this trip and so now ex 'DP' is worth a shot. Because I can only guess he follows her around with his tongue hanging out.

So I put his stuff in storage straight away and told him to contact his DS whenever he likes.

Last time, he really tried to keep communication with DS open. He was the first person he wanted to see on his return.

When he came back from mediation saying he was making a mistake and wanted to stay, I took the risk. He booked and paid for two holidays, looked into a wedding as a surprise, talked about Christmas, looked into the new mortgage. You name it, he did it and all involving our DS. He looked me in the eye and told me he wasn't going to see her and she didn't even know he would be in the country. The hotel receptionist let slip he'd just gone out with his colleague hours after his check-in! Busted!

Our DS is devastated. He is 10 and won't talk to his Dad when he calls very often and says that he hates him. When DS tries to call his dad, he ignores the phone. He has emailed his Son once in the 3 weeks he's been away.

My Dad died the other day and we have the funeral approaching. DS needs love and support from both of us and that total selfish arsehole doesn't appear to care one jot. I could do with a hand, I work full time but in a new temp job and don't get paid when not at work. He told me to get a cleaner before he left but obviously, that is now a luxury I cannot afford. Just him being around to look after DS wouldn't hurt - I know his job is important but it's his 'father-in-law', I'm gutted about my Dad and getting sick of handling everything alone.

If I totally cut this miserable fucker off for any length of time, I get accused of blocking him from his child. Yet he can ignore us whenever he likes.

I'm sick of being accommodating on behalf of DS. I gave the ex the best time to call - which he knows damned well, but he was calling while we were about to leave for school to avoid anything lengthy. He knows our son is broken-hearted but he does nothing to help. He is not attempting to get home early despite the stress I'm under from the mess he left and then with my dad dying a week after we found out about him.

I asked him to show us some respect and not call when she's listening - yet it transpires she's always there. A text to say he's busy wouldn't hurt though would it?

He's promised he's committed to getting the financials formalised and I'm with a solicitor tomorrow.

I'm pondering whether to report that he punched me in Feb to the Police? Can I use the photo's of the bruising as evidence to get a court order to keep him away from me? I'm terrified he'll lose his job if I do report him - yet he doesn't give a shit about banging someone he was line-managing until a few weeks ago! He asked me not to report it and uses our son's school fees as a rod to beat me with.

We do need his financial proposal.

I wanted our son and him to be the good mates they always were before any of this midlife crisis bullshit! Do I have to keep communications open so I don't get accused of trying to stop him speaking to his son? I'm the one asking DS if he will speak to dad if only to get out some of the anger and tell him how he feels.

I'm now unable to tell him when dad is likely to call or when he's likely to see him because when he doesn't call - it's rejection just like when he ignores our calls or messages.

What a mess! He could've just left. Or fessed up before he got on the plane. He admitted he thought he'd get away with it - he was going to come back and carry on as if nothing had happened!

Had I not forced the confession , he would have had to come home early and he would've carried on lying to me. It's rather chilling - he was arranging a wedding for us ffs!

After 12+ years, I wish this felt like the lucky escape that it really is. I feel broken! But strangely strong too.

Any advice on how to handle the contact issue? Doesn't sound like he's going to want to see his child, until things get nasty and then he'll try to get as much time as piss that he won't stick to...the OW seems to enjoy a power trip too and is probably not helping matters.

Any tips appreciated.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 30/05/2014 09:10

OP, you have to roll with the punches on this one

all you can do is graciously keep the door open.

Poor choice of words if I may say so.

Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 10:58

Hi all,

Relate is a great idea and I'm going to look into that.

I've just been to the solicitor re: financial proposal so I also feel better about that too.

I spoke to Women's Aid at the time as I wanted to report it but thought of the consequences for our Son in terms of his job and criminal record. He doesn't know his Dad has hit me, but he has heard him frequently treating me like shit through his anger. The man has anger management issues and I've asked him to get help for years. Of course, once the honeymoon period is over in his new relationship, there's a danger he'll be doing this to a work colleague so he really is on dodgy turf.

It cost him and his child everything in the long run.

The awful thing is, I just didn't see that side of him until I was a few months pregnant! He didn't hit me then but the irrational, emotional abuse definitely started seeping in.

She's a long distance romance and I think it will take some time for his true colours to show.

It's mad. I can't reconcile the man we loved, the family man, the loving provider with the arsehole that's done this to us. Thinking about his behaviour over the years - I feel stupid I just tolerated it all thinking it was the right thing to do as we weren't married. The majority of the time together was happy. But his dark side was always in the back of my mind.

I should have made a firm stand a long time ago - hindsight, wonderful!

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Tinks42 · 30/05/2014 17:46

Only if you take them out of context Donkeys

Hissy · 30/05/2014 19:54

My love, you are running to stand still.

STOP!

Stop texting/calling/chasing.

LET HIM fight for HIS family. If he doesn't, that's all down to him.

You can only govern your own behaviour, you can only do your best to help your son. Your H's relationship with his so is his to make work.

Oh, and HE'S the stupid one. Your son will see that too one day. Be the best you can, and that will be the best help to him possible.

Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 20:46

Hissy - agreed.

I should just stop asking him to do the right thing.

I know it's up to that shit bag to have it in him, but he doesn't.

And I'm scared to not fight for my boy.

I do go periods without speaking to him but then he'll call me to start it all up again. And I bite. He rang the other lunch time to 'see how I was'.

I don't know why. He must've had a row with her as it was a day he actually listened to what I said.

He's back to arrogant cock as of his call to his son tonight at 7pm!

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magoria · 30/05/2014 20:47

Buy your son a cheap PAYG phone. Tell his dad the number and that it will be on between X and Y so he can call his son.

If he doesn't that is his choice.

Stop wasting your life chasing this waste of space in the hopes he will step up.

Concentrate on you and your DS.

Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 21:02

Another good idea Magoria.

I was thinking of getting him a phone next academic year anyway.

It's an excellent idea.

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Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 21:02

Thanks everyone, your responses have me strength today.

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Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 21:03

gave. Gave me strength!

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Hissy · 30/05/2014 21:19

Just think... the more crappy our feckless OHs are, the better WE are remembered by our boys/girls!

It's vital to make sure that you teach them not to chase/court their approval though.

Be honest, age appropriate and make sure that it's clear that their dad has every option available to them to continue contact, and that it's down to them to do so. Making sure that you support them all the way so that they know that what their dad does or doesn't do is completely separate to how wonderful our dc are.

Rightallalong · 30/05/2014 21:50

Good point Hissy.

DS knows I love him with everything. I think the realisation his Dad maybe doesn't love him properly due to his midlife crisis is starting to sink in.

Poor kid. I still can't believe ex is so bloody disconnected from a child he doted on not so long back!

It's the oddest thing.

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Hissy · 30/05/2014 23:11

Funny enough... there is worse!

A dad who couldn't be bothered for pretty much ever (talked the talk though, sulked on DS birthday cos of the 'attention' thing) but is currently now being Dad of the Decade...

Ex left in 2011, lives abroad, has not sent a bean until recently, before then it was over 2years with no money/difficult to contact if DS wanted to talk to him etc.

DS was seriously injured the week before last, superficial burns but to a large part of his body. We were in specialist burns unit for over 10 days straight.

His dad is now calling him every day, promising money for ipods, when tbh, I can think of better uses for £250, and there's even talk of him coming over to see him. I think he's assuming to stay with us!

He's not even asked me about any of this. I sit there mentally seething. I bet he'll let us down again. He can't help himself.

Hissy · 30/05/2014 23:13

The key here for our boys is not that dad doesn't love him. He does. In his way, but that he will always put his own needs/wants ahead of anyone else. It's really not personal, he's the only person in his own life, he doesn't know how to love.

Rightallalong · 31/05/2014 07:44

Crikey Hissy

How the hell has he got away with no money for 2 years?

He really is a shit! Oh my bloody God, I bet you would like to smash him one!

I'm so sorry about DS and the hospital. I hope he's recovering an you 're OK.

All the things these arseholes leave you to deal with alone.
Angry

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Rightallalong · 31/05/2014 08:12

And your comment about them not meaning it is very true too.

I realise how stupid and selfish his father has been since I found out about his then brand new EA in January.

He looked me in the eyes and promised the earth in the weeks leading up to this trip. I don't believe he really did want to leave. She got dumped and the temptation was too great. He was never good enough before, she's been chasing this other chap for marriage. She was doing this with my then DP behind his back. He says he cut her off but she would call every time something went wrong. All the emotional support she got then, I get none of now!

Again, he knew the risks and took them.

He hasn't thought once about real life and I think his son being real life freaks him out. He's running away.

I just cannot believe what a horrible man he is. He started to arrange a wedding for us in August off his own back. What the f*ck was going through his head when he met up with her is beyond me!

I do tell DS that dad still loves him but I know he finds that hard to believe. He waved dad off at T5 and there were tears and hugs and 'four weeks will fly' and 'get the itinerary for the mini break drawn up son'. 'I love you Right, don't worry about anything, I wouldn't jeapordise what we now have, I'm happy, I love you and we have a great future planned - get our next date night sorted'. Even the day before I forced a confession he was playing happy families with us over the phone on a video call. I saw him look to the side a couple of times and worked out she was there. Listening in to our life. WTF?

Do you know, since he's off the hook with coming back early to help with DS in the event of my Dad passing away, he's not even asked when the funeral is.

He always loved my Dad. He is absolutely off his head!

I know we all want them to realise and have a shit time dealing with the loss of their family but it never seems to happen. He keeps bigging her up by saying things like 'you were the most important relationship of my life' read, but she's way more important because I'm here and walking away from you both.

What a shit.

The only joy I get is that she's apparently really pissed off I think it's all about a UK citizenship and money! She's not pissed off about what she's done to our 10 year old or how much I'm hurting about my dad or how much I loved ex DP. Just that I have worked out ex DP was her plan b that she may as well follow through because she can. She hates where she lives. That was when she said she'd rather him live there. Nice one. I think she thinks DS will keep him in the UK and thus she'll just have to come here in order for them to be together.

She's good at getting what she wants, she must really look good.

Ex DP however, is thinking of relocating for someone he's spent very little real time with. He really is off his head. Really is thinking with his dick!

I hope I can just forget all of this sensibly and get on with enjoying life without him. That will be a good thing for DS. I'm not normally a misery by nature... I'm sick of thinking about it. If he were in the country, I'm sure it would be easier.

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Hissy · 31/05/2014 12:27

The money he's sent he's told me how to spend it, he raged at me cos the phone went to voicemail (crap reception in hospital) he's an arse-weasle of the lowest kind.

These men are utterly shit, but not all men are like this. We have a responsibility to teach our sons to be good men, by highlighting what's not acceptable.

I have yet to tackle DS dad on the subject of all this nonsense, but I will.

He doesn't scare me any more. I know I scare HIM

Rightallalong · 31/05/2014 20:34

Hahaha :-)

My DS just let rip at his father. I was proud of him actually, he was really making him squirm! But he needs to externalise his anger so I'm not going to stop him. Let the bastard who dealt the misery get some of the repercussions for a change.

I just hope DS stays on the straight and narrow. I'll do everything to raise him as a good one. I just feel so glum And he knows my attempts at jolly are fake...what can you do?

My period is rather late. He may get a sibling after all!!!

Let's hope it's just a stress delay!

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 01/06/2014 08:43

Hope it was cathartic. His father shouldn't allow himself to think it's all plain sailing and good old Rightallalong can smooth everything over.

Fingers crossed AF arrives and it's just stress.

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