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Would really appreciate some thoughts/advice

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 11:01

Have NC for privacy.

I feel like I have wasted my life. I am 37 and been with my husband for 13 years. We married last year. I am beginning to think we will be the couple that are together for ages then split soon after marriage.

I will try to give the background as facts. He lived with his parents until we bought our house 4 years ago. He has a sporadic work history - spent a lot of time, years, out of work with no real motivation to get a job. Its the reason it took us so long to buy a house. I had lived with an ex partner and aline since i was 17 but moved back to my parents just as i got together with DH due to a split with ex. I planned to save up and rent somewhere. My plans changed to save and but with DH. It took years. Eventually i wa on a decent wage and he was working and we bought our house then married last year. He walked out of his job weeks later due to stress. I wasn't supportive but he did it anyway.

I have long since thought that he has some MH/depression/other issue. He has no friends, he has v.high expectations and standards. He is mildly obsessive. He hoards.

We get on brilliantly when we do get on. But those times seem fewer and further between. When we argue he gets so angry. I am not in danger or scared of him, but there is no reasoning with him. He said this morning 'oh well its obviously just my fault then' when often i think it is just him. He over reacts, he takes things personally, he us suspicious, he goes on and on about things that i wkuldn't even mention.

This morning - I was dropping him off at work. He usually takes himself but got me up to take him. Drove past 3 workmen 'up to no good' we had a bit of conversation about it, then he continued 'ranting' at me about them. I didn't respond after the first few times. This caused an arguement because of 'how i treat him'. He really went for it. Quite nasty. I don't care about the men. They were doing no harm and theres no sign of them now.

We have no children though have been trying. We don't go out as he is socially awkward and doesn't like most people. I go out with friends. Friends don't invite us as a couple, when they have he hasn't gone, even to the point of getting to the house then saying 'i'll just drop you off and go home'

He is constantly critical of everyone particularly my family. He is right in some ways but i don't want or need to hear him complain all the time. They are currently employing him enabling us to pay the mortgage.

I don't know what to do. I have changed. He has changed me. I wish it could be how it is when its goid. When its good i am happ and can cope with the difficult things.y. When its bad i feel like i have wasted my life waiting for him.

I have waited ywars for this house and i love it so much. I probably couldn't manage here alone atm but possibly after our current fixed term expires as we have a high interest rate.

I know i should have dealt with all this sooner. We don't communicate welk and he is scathing of the idea of depression/mh issues. He heard on the radio a discussion about adult men with ASD / asbergers and just took this piss. My heart sank.

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 13:34

Apparently my dad told my mum yesterday that 'there is something seriously wrong with confusions husband'

She told me this just now. She also said she and my MIL had a lengthy talk about it some years ago.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/05/2014 13:35

A GP is going to be pretty restricted in the information they can share about a patient, even to their spouse. If you're pinning your future hopes on a) there being an undiagnosed MH issue b) him volunteering for treatment and taking it seriously, finishing up with c) the treatment being a miracle cure that means you only ever experience 'nice DH' from now on .... then do understand that it's a pretty unlikely sequence of events.

Personal counselling on the other hand may help you understand why you are so invested in this person in spite of the way they consistently treat you.

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CailinDana · 26/05/2014 13:36

Thing is, you are not responsible for fixing him. If he wants to get help, and you are willing to support him in that, then, ok, it'll be a slog but it might be worth doing. You running around trying to get help for him while he sees no issue is totally pointless.

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Doooooowop · 26/05/2014 13:40

Ask for a trial separation, give it a month and see how you feel?

Regards the house get a new mortgage deal and consider a lodger or a second job? A second job could be something social to get you out of the house and help ease the money situation.

You don't say how old you are but you might just meet someone and still have a child.

Good luck xx

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 26/05/2014 13:40

Two things are to my mind are dangerous in a relationship:

Putting someone on a pedestal, or,

Battling on thinking "It's me not him" even when evidence screams the contrary followed by hoping that penny will drop and they'll magically and spontaneously sort themselves out.

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CailinDana · 26/05/2014 13:41

Remember too that it's not an absolute given that you will remain childless. If you carry on with this man, it is almost an absolute given that you will be miserable and any child you bring into the mix will also suffer. You can only deal with what you have in front of you. There's no point in worrying about what might or might not happen in the future as clearly it has led you very far down the wrong path already.
You know that this relationship is just not working. You can stay, and resign yourself to misery, or you can move on and give yourself a chance at real happiness.

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livingzuid · 26/05/2014 13:44

It can be extremely distressing to be in public situations. Dh has retrieved me from the supermarket on more than one occasion, and we have had to leave gatherings as I found them too stressful. Those incidents are few and far between now thank goodness but prior to my diagnosis I remember having a meltdown at my poor friend's night before wedding dinner and feeling so badly for not being able to stay but unable to control it. I literally ran from the restaurant.

I have a lot of sympathy if your dh has a mental illness as it is very challenging to get the help and support needed. It's a frightening space in your head and the fear of what might happen can slow down seeking treatment, and the plain old stigma of being diagnosed with a mental health condition. Especially if he is dealing with paranoid thoughts - some refuse to see doctors etc as they are in the grip of that particular episode.

He has to be able to get himself better, listen to the doctors, experiment with medication to find the right combination, read up on managing the condition (a big part of successful treatment is self management) and he has to want to make the change. It takes time but there is light at the other end.

It's whether you have reached the end of the road. It's almost irrelevant perhaps whether he is ill or not. If you have had enough then you need to end it. Don't feel guilty about not staying if he is unwell (or if he is just an arse). If you don't think there is anything left to save then you should leave. It's really up to him to sort himself out. Whether you stay or go does not change that.

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 13:46

I'm 37 and have not got pregnant since coming off contraception 18 months ago.

I would happily do a second job.

Will my mortgage company do an informal meeting to see what they can offer me on my own? I'm not sure it would be enough.

I know its right that I can't fix him. He has to want it himself and even then as you say we are unlikely to be happily ever after. Tbh i don't even know where to start with the conversation. 'Theres clealr something wrong with you, my parents and your parents agree'. Probably isn't the best starting point.

I know nothing about counselling but assume i couldn't afford it.

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livingzuid · 26/05/2014 13:48

With regards having a child - 37 is no way too young. My 45 year old Sil has just announced that she is pregnant. Don't worry about that or let that upset you right now.

You should visit your own gp and discuss all your concerns. He or she can advise you what to do with your husband.

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livingzuid · 26/05/2014 13:49

Too old not too young doh.

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CailinDana · 26/05/2014 13:49

You don't need to have a "conversation." Just say "I don't think we're compatible any more and I am leaving."

I know the prospect of no children must be terrifying, but you cannot let that rule your life. If there are fertility issues, they could well lie with him rather than with you. Anyway, that's irrelevant given that it would be a very bad idea to have a child with him at the moment given how he is.

Have a look through all the legal stuff, talk to the bank and get your head sorted on the practicalities.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/05/2014 13:53

Start the conversation with something like.... 'Where do you see us in five, ten or twenty years time?' 'Do you think we are compatible as a couple?' Gives him the opportunity to express his opinion and then you have your opportunity to do the same.

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 13:53

I do feel really resentful. I should have done this years ago and he would either have improved or not then. I feel like i have waited around for him for so long. Only for things to get so much worse. I think there is too much past to come back from. I can't believe he gave up his job weeks after we got married. Things have been much worse since then. He is somehow surprised that with his poor work history that he hasn't just waltzed into another job.

All i can think is 'what did you expect? Thats why i didn't agree to you giving up your job!'

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livingzuid · 26/05/2014 13:59

Sorry I keep X posting. This statement really jumped out at me:

He has to want it himself and even then as you say we are unlikely to be happily ever after. Tbh i don't even know where to start with the conversation. 'There's clearly something wrong with you, my parents and your parents agree'. Probably isn't the best starting point.

I come at this from a different viewpoint perhaps to others having lived through this. If someone had said to me, my XH and my parents included, 'your behaviour is bizarre, you don't react normally, your talk of xyz is not normal - do you think you need to seek some professional help?' It would have saved me 20 years of living in hell and I wish someone had staged an intervention much earlier, or at least planted that thought. This didn't happen until now DH gently steered me to the GP after years of being told I was awkward and difficult and irrational.

I don't mean to project, but having that conversation costs you nothing, and your GP can advise you how to go about it. Or maybe his parents can do it if you speak to them. He may have nothing wrong with him, and he's just insanely antisocial and hates people. But just by planting a seed might help. He has to take that step to go get help.

Either way, your relationship is at an end by the sound of things. If you make a plan of action you will feel better and more in control.

Good luck Thanks

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/05/2014 14:00

The trouble with the kind of resigned (intimidated) silence that you described earlier is that you won't say any of this stuff to him except in some kind of frustrated hissy fit when you can be easily dismissed as over-emotional.

Maybe you just tell him you've had enough of waiting?

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 14:15

I'm not going to say it in an arguement. My problem in the past is not being able to start the coversation when things were 'good' because i didn't want to 'ruin' it.

I do think some time apart has got to happen.

I'm really grateful for everyones replies.

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kickassangel · 26/05/2014 14:19

My sympathies for you.

On a practical note would you be able to rent out a room to pay for a lodger? Are you able to save up some money to give you a buffer to get started alone?

Tbh a house isn't worth staying in a bad marriage. There are plenty if ither places to live where you can be much happier.

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 14:31

Thanks. I could rent out a room. I do think i could cut costs and do a night job too byt my problem would be getting the mortgage in my own right.

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DocDaneeka · 26/05/2014 14:31

The thing is if he is mentally ill, and it is fixable then he can do that whilst you are separated.

You don't need to be with him. If he gets help and follows through you can still support him from the sidelines while not having to bear the brunt of his shit.

So your last reason for staying just evaporated. If he wants to get well, he will sort it regardless of wether you are living in the same house or not.

You sound so, so unhappy. I think you know what you need to do.

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BravePotato · 26/05/2014 14:36

Sorry OP, this sounds so tough.

If you were to go for a child with him, remember this child would be 50% his, genetically (i.e. certain traits). I would never recommend having a child with someone who you don't like.

You will also be tied to DH forever with a child (discussions who has him what day etc, if you don't want to stay together)

I have a friend with a husband worse than yours, he sucks all happiness out of her. They have child, he is an anxious child with a father who constantly finds fault with every single thing.

If anyone goes on holiday he is full of bitterness and "alright for some" comments. If he eats out, the food is bad, the service poor and he makes a fuss, it is never relaxed. If we take the children swimming, and I have chat with my friend, he comes over and hisses at her "You are not watching him! he did an amazing length, and you were not watching." They go to everything the boy does together, and watch his every move (birthday parties, swimming, football, cricket "did you see the other boy got to bat again? It's not fair!") It is claustrophobic and intense, no way to live IMO!

Do you deep down believe that you don't deserve better?

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Doinmummy · 26/05/2014 14:47

When you have a child ( and you will) the love for that child is so so strong that you want to protect them from all of life's ills. If you have a baby with this man you will have inflicted one of those 'ills' (shit father) onto that child and you will beat yourself up over it for ever more.

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confusion77 · 26/05/2014 14:51

Thanks docdaneeka its really good to get your perspective on this.

Also, what brave said - his dad has anxiety issues. His mum left his dad years ago. Apparently there were big improvements in his dads behaviour. Then his mum returned and just weeks later it was back to how it had been. So this ties in with what you say doc about him sorting things out whether we are together or not.

I do believe I deserve better. I want to feel happy and 'carefree' again. I also believe that he deserves
better than this life of misery that he seems determined to have.

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willmama7 · 26/05/2014 14:53

I'm sorry you're in this situation, but absolutely don't have a child with this man, even the hubby's that are fairly ok and helpfull can prove to be total arses when it comes to coping with a baby so your DH is not going to cope well by the sounds of it. Please don't loose hope that you won't have a child, you are only 37 and I'm sure you may feel the clock is running out of time but you still have time. If you left this man now you could meet another man that treats you well (don't marry him) and have a family that you both want, or move back with your parents, work full time and save up to visit a sperm bank. Thanks

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oldgrandmama · 26/05/2014 14:56

Just read all through this. Dearest OP, please - just get out! Forget the time out stuff, talking to his GP (who won't tell you anything) etc. etc. Some things you can't mend. Sure, you could stagger on in this awful relationship and, God forbid, have child, poor thing. Whether he has mental health problems, OCD or is just a nasty bit of work, you HAVE to save yourself.

Sorry to be blunt. This sounds like one Lost Cause that is well and truly Lost.

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eddielizzard · 26/05/2014 15:05

how do you start the conversation?

'dear dh, i don't think you're happy. i'm not either. it's time for us to part, and i'd like you to move out.'

it will be a bad day, but you will feel so much better in the long run.

good luck.

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