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DH's "ultimatum" - AIBU?

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MrBusterIPresume · 12/05/2014 14:17

I could really do with some perspective on this one – will try to be as brief as possible without drip-feeding.

Backstory in a nutshell – married 13 years, 2 young DCs, we both work full-time but 95% of domestic and child-related stuff ends up falling to me. H is a workaholic who is prone to selfish and entitled behaviour – frequently prioritises his own needs at the expense of mine, tends to respond to requests for more domestic input with EA behaviour (albeit relatively mild). Relationship has gradually deteriorated since DCs – I’m not happy about manchild behaviour and lack of partnership, he’s not happy that I nag him to contribute more.

About 2 years ago, he began to get more irritable and moody. I confronted him, he admitted that he was unhappy but refused to tell me why – but also expected me to work it out (had the “If you really loved me you would know what was wrong” speech). After about 6 months of this he finally confessed that he had developed an infatuation with a much younger work colleague.

Although for various reasons I am quite sure that there was no physical or even reciprocated emotional affair, the infatuation had been going on for 2 years and was apparently preoccupying him to the point of interfering with his work. He only told me about it because he had finally told the woman herself about his “romantic feelings” (under the guise of explaining to her why they could no longer work together), she made a formal complaint at work and he was worried that I would hear about it from someone else.

At first he seemed genuinely contrite, took responsibility, talked about wanting to save the marriage, took me out for a meal for the first time in years so that we could talk. However quite soon this moved on to minimising behaviour – complaining about being badly treated by work colleagues who expressed disapproval of his actions, telling me that because it wasn’t an actual affair I shouldn’t be upset by it, that I hadn’t seemed that bothered when he told me about it.

He also seemed to want me to take a significant share of responsibility for the situation – saying that I had changed in my feelings for him, that I wasn’t showing him enough affection or doing enough to show him I wanted to save the marriage. He had a few sessions of individual counselling but gave up when he realised that it wasn’t going to provide a quick fix. He has increased his input into family life and clearly thinks he has made a big concession – but in actuality the changes made are small.

I have offered to go to couples counselling with him (I realise it isn’t generally recommended if there is EA behaviour but I am willing to at least try it), and have suggested that he arrange it. He has now announced that he refuses to arrange counselling and has decided that I have to do it, because he needs proof from me that I am committed to saving our marriage.

Now I am by no means perfect, but under the circumstances I don’t think it should be down to me to “prove” anything. He was the one obsessing about an OW for 2 years, disappearing in the middle of the night for hours to go on long walks or drives to “clear his head”, writing poetry about her for months after telling me “as part of the recovery process”. He should be doing the proving.

I should probably be the bigger person and just arrange it myself. But I don’t want to. I am sick of being the bigger person, the only functioning adult in this relationship. Plus I suspect this is another way of shifting blame and responsibility onto me.

AIBU?

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MrBusterIPresume · 12/05/2014 15:05

I have sound reasons, based on information from other sources, to be sure that this was a one-sided infatuation and not a reciprocal affair. However, to my mind it makes little difference - he was still emotionally engaged elsewhere for 2+ years.

I'm not still in the marriage for the DCs - I don't think that is a fair thing to burden them with. But I am still here because I have made a carefully considered judgement that the overall cost of leaving for me and DCs would be greater than the cost of staying - the balance of that equation could change. I am scared of the aftermath of leaving, but I'll do it if I think it is in my family's best interests, and I've told H this.

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cutefluffybunnes · 12/05/2014 15:06

YANBU. Really not. Arrange yourself a solicitor and enjoy your life without his bullshit. You sound very sorted and self-assured, and it's not an easy decision to come to. But just have a first meeting with a solicitor and I'm sure you'll find it comes much more easily than you imagined. [[[hugs]]]

Jan45 · 12/05/2014 15:08

What I mean OP is you would probably have left by now if it wasn't for the kids and your current financial situation.

I don't see one reason for staying but you have to decide yourself.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/05/2014 15:09

Factored into the monetary cost, are you including the opportunity cost to things like your self-esteem, happiness and peace of mind?

cutefluffybunnes · 12/05/2014 15:13

This is your life. It's the only one you get. Do you really want to spend more years with this man?

MrBusterIPresume · 12/05/2014 15:18

Cogito, yes I am. Because I know that if I have to move the DCs to a substandard home or school, that won't bring me much self-esteem, happiness or peace of mind either. I know that it will ultimately be his actions, not mine, that made the move necessary, but I will still be the one that feels like shit about it.

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Jan45 · 12/05/2014 15:29

So the home you would have wouldn't be to the high standard you have at the moment, jeezo, sorry excuse really.

OP, up to you to stay but I would put money on it happening again, you're happiness does matter you know and you don't have to live this way.

MrBusterIPresume · 12/05/2014 15:35

With respect, Jan45 it runs a little deeper than the cosmetic appearance of my home (which is a very modest, ordinary terrace in a nondescript suburb).

My children are happy in a comfortable home in a relatively safe area. They are very happy and thriving in their school and nursery. If I could separate and have none of this change for them, I would. But in all likelihood I can't, and I have to factor in the potential impact of big changes in lifestyle on them and on me. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.

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fubbsy · 12/05/2014 15:36

He has already left the relationship emotionally. He treats you badly and has no regard for you or your feelings.

Are you going to just sit there and wait until he has a physical affair? Because it's bound to happen sooner or later, isn't it? What kind of a life is that?

Jan45 · 12/05/2014 15:40

Fair enough OP, I get you, it was just starting to sound very materialistic.

I assume your OH earns a good wage if he's a workaholic. Yes you might live in a smaller house and have less money but you will have peace of mind and not have to worry about what your husband is doing behind your back, your children will have an upheaval but there's no reason why they can't still see their dad, it's happening every day to families.

I don't think you are remotely interested in separating though so can't really advise as I think it's just a matter of time before another bomb shell is falling at your feet.

fubbsy · 12/05/2014 15:44

And what is living in that kind of atmosphere doing to your dc? How is it impacting on their emotional development to be in an environment where their dad (at best) treats their mum badly (at worst) is emotionally abusive?

Jan45 · 12/05/2014 15:45

disappearing in the middle of the night for hours to go on long walks or drives to “clear his head”

This above does not sit well with me, I think I would find it impossible to believe he was on his own. It's almost like your OH thinks you should be grateful to have him, for what, I don't honestly know!

MrBusterIPresume · 12/05/2014 15:46

That's OK, Jan45, I can see how it might come across.

It's not that I am not interested in separating. It's just that I'm at the stage of having it all whirl around in my head endlessly trying to figure out how to achieve what I want with the least impact on my DCs. One day I think I've figured out a way forward, the next I'm doubting myself for thinking my plans are realistic.

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Jan45 · 12/05/2014 15:47

OP, get knowledgeable about your rights and benefit entitlements, even if you decide to stay, knowledge is power.

dollius · 12/05/2014 15:50

Oh god, he sounds utterly horrendous.

I would at least explore your options with a solicitor, even if you are not ready to act on them.

Poor you, what a twonk you are saddled with.

Handywoman · 12/05/2014 16:56

He is currently away on business and it is like being able to take a deep breath at last.

This tells you all you really need to know.

What an immature, spoiled, entitled, egositical drama-queen he is. YANBU. Good luck.

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