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Why do you say "I love you"?

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ravenmum · 22/04/2014 09:34

You know when the press asked Charles and Diana if they loved one another, and he said "Whatever that means"? I've always felt a Charles on that one, like I don't know what love means. I don't have any feeling about anyone that I can identify as "love". I can identify my other feelings (anger, hurt, happiness etc.) - no signs of being on the autistic spectrum or anything. I know if I fancy someone, or like the things they say, or get on well with them. But there's no butterflies in the stomach, burning passion, love welling up inside, surges of fondness, all the things it says in novels, if they are anything to go by.

I even find family love hard to pin down - with my childhood family it's complicated, and the most overwhelming feeling I have about my own children is fear that they will get hurt in some way. Obviously I must love them, then, but I feel bad that I'm not more loving. I feel like I should be saying "I love you" to the people close to me, and feel guilty that I never get that urge. Sometimes I say it anyway because I know it will make them feel good, and I don't want to be a bad mum/sister/partner, but that is not why you should say it, is it? Why do you say "I love you"?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/04/2014 09:55

For me it's a spontaneous thing. A little surge of affection that makes me so happy that I want to share it. But then I'm quite a demonstrative sort generally. When DS thoughtfully brought me a Brew the other day and I was feeling a bit stressed he got a big hug and I told him that, if I hadn't mentioned it recently, I love him to bits. But don't worry if you never feel that way or never feel the need to express it. It's quite normal to be undemonstrative and it doesn't mean you're not a loving person.

ravenmum · 22/04/2014 10:26

I'm starting to wish I'd been born in Victorian times or something. This is one of the "reasons" my husband has gone off me, it seems. As I always felt bad about it anyway, I am wondering if it is something I should work on more with the kids. Though then I feel guilty that it doesn't come naturally! I'm pretty good at demonstrating negative feelings after all. Confused

Also just curious about what is going on in people's heads and how much different it is to what goes on in mine!

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hookedonchoc · 22/04/2014 10:36

I don't know about butterflies or a specific "love" feeling (maybe early on, but that's just new-boyfriend excitement, I think). But I tend to say it when I am taking pleasure in the presence of my loved ones. If being around them makes me feel happy, to me that is love.

Keepithidden · 22/04/2014 10:39

Often thought we (the English speaking world) should start to use the Greek "love words" more to be a bit more descriptive about what it is exactly we mean. The whole Agape, Eros, Philia, Mania and Storge thing (there's probably a few more, but I'm not a Greek Scholar).

"I love you" starts to become a bit of a ritual, rather than a sincere means of communicating your feelings.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/04/2014 11:02

When you italicise 'reasons' he has gone off you I wonder if it's the tip of a bigger iceberg? It's pretty crushing to be told that someone had gone off you - if that's what he's saying to you - and is hardly going to help matters.

If it's important to you to develop the skill you could practise with your children. If 'I love you' feels a bit artificial you could try saying 'what I love about you is....' and get a more meaningful conversation going.

heyho1985 · 22/04/2014 11:33

I hardly ever say I love you. My Mum has always criticised me for it but I always thought it more important to show your love rather than keep repeating it. My BF knows I love him but it feels unnatural to me to keep saying it. I have been called cold in the past but I don't see the point in trying to act a certain way when it's not you.

I do tell my dog I love him all the time, can't work that one out though haha!

hardystone · 22/04/2014 11:36

I can relate to a lot of your OP, although I am diagnosed on the autistic spectrum so perhaps that helps me understand it in myself. I don't really say 'I love you' spontaneously to DH or my DCs, but I say it in response to it being said to me. I don't say it as a ritual (e.g. every night or every phone call as it just becomes meaningless). For me it's not because of what I feel (because I would feel it regardless of whether I said it or not, and I'd value it being shown to me by actions rather than words anyway). But it's more because I'm aware that I should be saying it, and it reinforces their self-esteem to hear it from me. I'm not a demonstrative person in general but I'm the kind of person who will do small things for the people I care about.

It's not something that was said much to me by my family, and I don't say it to my parents or siblings at all.

ravenmum · 22/04/2014 12:30

I say "reason" he's gone off me as it's not really about reasoning, is it? He accepted me as I am for two decades. He's quite messed up now.

I also don't like the idea of faking it if it doesn't come naturally, but found it particularly awkward when he would say "I love you" and then there was a silence. It shouldn't really be that hard a thing to say to your husband, but all I was thinking was "now I either have to say it back or explain why I don't".

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/04/2014 12:32

If you don't love him, that's not a crime.

ravenmum · 22/04/2014 12:45

Sorry, I mean I had to say it back, or explain why I didn't say it back. I couldn't just not say it back without explanation. It would be "You know I find these things hard to say, don't you?" or "I'm sorry I'm not expressive".

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HenI5 · 22/04/2014 16:00

I'm sorry you're having these difficulties ravenmum after 20+years I wouldn't think this is actually a reason for the issues your DP feels he's having with your relationship.

We're quite a demonstrative family, a light touch on the arm, kiss on the head or cheek and telling each other 'I love you' out of the blue and for no particular reason. It stems from feelings of affection and warmth. I often look at DH and will give him a peck and tell him I love him, just because I feel like it. He might or might not say it back depending on where and when it happens, not because he's not into showing affection but because it's not a turn and turn about expectation.
He might make me a cup of tea because he thinks I'll be fancying one, that kind of thing and it means more to me than cards or flowers or being told he loves me, although he does do that too.

How do you show your caring side to your DP and your family over and above the every day life scenario?

Liara · 22/04/2014 16:05

I say I love you because I genuinely do! I do feel the surge of affection thing, all that jazz. Only with my very close family though, (dh, dc and my sister). But then I don't say I love you to anyone else.

PoundingTheStreets · 22/04/2014 16:32

I think love is a collection of emotions rather than a specific emotion in its own right.

I did not love my DC when they were born. I did not have PND or anything, it was just that love wasn't there. I felt an instant sense of protectiveness towards them, but that was about it. Love grew over time, because until I got to know each child better, I simply wasn't relating to them on enough emotional levels to make it meaningful. Over time, as our relationship grew, so did love.

For me, the simplest way I'd describe love is that it it is characterised by the ferocity of whatever emotions are involved in that relationship.

So, for example, like you I feel fear that my DC may be harmed in some way. This translates as a fierce need to protect them - something which only becomes recognisable when their security/well-being is threatened (so quite rare). I also feel joy when they do something really sweet or something that makes me proud, and intense frustration when they do something irritating but ultimately pretty ordinary for children.

Another example with my DP, is that the emotions I feel when he makes me laugh, how much I like his view on life, etc are all emotions I feel with other people, not just him, but he combines more of them in one go and the strength of those feelings is more pronounced. And, of course, I fancy him, which is what separates a friendship from a romantic relationship.

How you 'feel' that ferocity varies from person to person I think. I get a feeling that I want to burst with the intensity of emotion I am feeling. Other people might experience it in completely different ways.

Personally, I think that if you have to ask what love is in terms of a romantic relationship, you probably aren't and have never been in love. It's not about fireworks and starry eyes - indeed it can be much more pragmatic in nature - but there should be no denying the strength of caring.

You say your childhood was complicated. Do you think you amy be suppressing positive emotions because they make you vulnerable?

ravenmum · 22/04/2014 18:19

I do wonder if I have been "properly" in love, but considering how hard I find it to let myself go, maybe it just doesn't get any more passionate. I still find my husband sexy even though I'm pissed off with him, and am still trying to help him with the problems that sparked the split, without any prospect that it will improve our relationship - just as I'd like to help him sort himself out. I guess that means I care about him. But over the last five years we've drifted apart as he's been away a lot for work.

Neither of my parents is openly loving with their partner. My mum is embarrassingly nasty to her husband. My dad and his wife are nice to one another but I often wondered if he deeply loves her rather than just being fond of her - though fond is good of course. I think he gets a bit tired of her silent feuds with all and sundry.

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