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nightmare ex and seeing children

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zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 13:11

Hi. I need some advice on what to do for the best for my children. This may go on a bit as I want to give the background so that my dilemma can be properly seen.

I was with my children's father for 13 years. He left in January after about three years of me telling him that I didn't want a relationship with him and things being very strained.

He had been occasionally physically violent over the whole time and at one point been charged and put on probation. He was sent on anger management and other therapy courses before I (stupidly) agreed to try again. He has always been selfish and I've always been nervous of his 'other side'.

He has never had a particularly good relationship with the children - who are 12, 9, 7 & 6. The eldest two are reluctant to have anything to do with him.

The eldest won't talk to or see him at all unless I go with her and try to make it ok. She has always been very grown up for her age and sees how he is. She's a very good judge if character and I don't think she trusts him.

My ds is being assessed for dyspraxia and struggles with lots of things, socially and emotionally. His Father has no real bond with him. He's never done father/son time and doesn't have much patience with ds and his little 'ways' (he's quite immature for his age and can be silly) Ds also has a low tolerance of his younger sisters and can be quite aggressive with them and instead if addressing this and removing ds from the situation, his father reacts with aggression. As an example we went out for dd2's birthday the other week and I thought we should all go for a meal together. Ds was getting aggravated with the girls, so his father leaned over with a stern face and said to him "Come on then..." In a threatening manner. This of course left me spending the rest of the meal in the corner with ds reassuring him.

Dd2 is heartbroken. Of the four children she is the most upset about him leaving. She is the only one that talks to him on the phone and gets upset if he doesn't come. Yet on Xmas day, he took the helicopter I had bought for ds and, before ds even touched it, he flew it up over the house and lost it. This caused a huge row because it was so typical of him, and he was right in my face shouting with dd2 crying and cowering behind me. When she talks to him on the phone, he tells her that this is all Mummy's fault and that I'm a horrible person for sending him away. He also puts down dd1 to her. She is constantly put in the middle by him and she doesn't know how to deal with it. She's very low and sad.

Dd3 is up and down. She refuses to talk to him on the phone but gets upset when he leaves. I think not talking to him is her defence mechanism so she doesn't get upset.

When he left, he moved 150 miles away to live with his friend. He agreed to pay £50 a week and see them every other weekend. So far he's seen them 3 times, and money is sporadic. When the money didn't go in this week, I asked why and he said he needed it for petrol to come and see them. I told him we were struggling and asked if he could send some money and come next week. He's now kicking off and claiming that I'm stopping him seeing the kids. He's told dd2 that I'm taking all his money. He's sending text messages to say that unless I let him see the kids I won't get any money, despite me telling him that it's not for me, it's the principle of him supporting his children. Lots of people have told me to stand my ground otherwise he will keep doing it and expect me to be soft.

The last time he came was the birthday fiasco. His temper made the whole thing uncomfortable when i'd bent over backwards to arrange for a place for him to stay, and paid for everything as he decided last minute he had no money for the presents or meal.

He told me he was taking one of the dogs as he paid for her so it's his dog. I told him I had changed the locks and he said "oh don't you worry that won't stop me"
I sat the kids down and explained that he wanted to take the dog with him and when dd2 asked him on the phone he told her I was a liar and just saying things to make him look bad.

The visit before he took the two youngest to a very large and busy park in the centre of town and when I got there with ds, I couldn't see him - he was sitting on a bench outside the park not even watching them!

Other incidents from before he left include a day we were out with dd2 & 3 in the back of the car, he got angry with someone at the traffic lights, got out and punched their window, smashing it.

On another day he took dd2 & 3 to town and came home with scratches on his face - he had got into a fight with the bus driver somehow whilst getting the bus home - leaving the children standing unattended at the bus stop whilst this went on.

When he left, I agreed we would meet on neutral ground and for him not to come to the house so the little ones wouldn't think he was 'home'. One Sunday he drove almost 4 hours to start banging on the door at 9:30am when we'd agreed to meet in town at 12. He then sat in the car outside the house til we left. I was terrified that he'd try and get in after telling me the locks wouldn't stop him.

So you see the kind of person I'm dealing with. He's very intimidating and nasty. I don't feel the children are safe with him and I'm sick of being bullied into him getting what he wants. My problem is the two youngest still want to see him and I'm being made out to be the one stopping him. He gives dd2 the 'poor me' routine and she doesn't understand otherwise.

Last night he threatened with court. I think he's bluffing but I don't know what to do or who I can get help and advice from. If anyone can offer any advice at all it will be hugely

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Walkacrossthesand · 21/04/2014 13:24

Hi zephyr. This sounds like the sort of situation where you need to call the police on the non-emergency number (is it 111?), outline the story as you've said above, and get their advice. You need to protect yourself and your DCs from his aggression and unreasonableness, you need to have some responses ready for when the DC report his lies to you, and above all hold fast - you are doing the right thing in keeping a very tight boundary around yourself and your DCs here. Not sure it's even right for him to have unsupervised contact, if he's not watching them in a busy park, and getting into fights with strangers while with them. Have you seen a solicitor yet?

CogitoEggySometimes · 21/04/2014 13:29

101 is the non-emergency number. I'd also recommend having a word with Womens Aid 0808 2000 247 who can point you to other resources aimed at helping female victims of male abuse. For example, has the contact and maintenance ever been agreed legally or is it just something that evolved between you?

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 13:35

He only left in January so this is all very new and I am trying my best to keep everything as amicable as I can for the children. The contact and support was arranged between us but he's making it difficult and twisting things to make it look like it's me - something he's always done. I haven't been to a solicitor yet either as I hoped we could be reasonable. I'm also worried that if it went to court and he was granted contact, then the children who don't want to see him would be made to - whilst looking into it I've come across cases where that has happened because the court say that the children aren't able to make such a decision.

I also called women's aid or a similar thing to ask about an injunction but no-one ever called me back, so I'm feeling a bit defeated.

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CogitoEggySometimes · 21/04/2014 13:40

Do try Womens Aid again. They're very busy but they can help if you're persistent. One of the things they can recommend is a solicitor that specialises in cases with a DV element and I think you urgently need one. You may be able to be reasonable but he clearly is anything but. Mediation is therefore going to be of limited effect. At the moment, he can use everything as a weapon against you and make you out to be the bad guy. Whereas, if it's drawn up legally, he has to abide by it.

It won't necessarily get as far as courtroom - in fact, I'd be willing to bet that a cowardly, aggressive man such as you describe will not want to go anywhere near a courtroom.

LavenderGreen14 · 21/04/2014 13:43

I agree you need Women's Aid - but also you need to apply for child maintenance officially. He cannoot refuse to pay if he doesn't see them - he is just using that to bully you. Also threatening you with court - another empty thread designed to bully and terrify.

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 13:57

Am I doing the right thing in the meantime to limit contact? Dd2 is finding very hard at only just turned 8 and it's her he's using as she is his only way in. What about phonecalls? I've warned him that if he continues to bring her into things I will have the calls on speakerphone. I don't want to hurt dd but at the same time I don't want him near her/us. I will go back to Women's aid tomorrow when normality/school/work has resumed.

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CogitoEggySometimes · 21/04/2014 14:09

Yes you are doing the right thing. You are acting in the absence of a formal contact agreement and you are acting in the best interests of the children, keeping them safe from someone who you regard as, and who is on record as, unstable and aggressive.

Tell DD that you have made a decision. She may not like it but that's the role of parents. We have to decide what's best for children, even if it's not to their taste.

LavenderGreen14 · 21/04/2014 14:35

I would suggest a contact centre too, as he seems unable to keep them safe while they are with him.

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 14:44

Thank you - I'm kind of on my own here and the more I've been thinking into it, the more I've been doubting myself - what he's banking on, no doubt.

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LavenderGreen14 · 21/04/2014 14:52

Have you had any legal advice?

In my experience he will do his utmost to grind you down and make you doubt yourself - keeps himself in control then. You did really well too get him out and get rid.

keep posting - loads of advice her and so many who have been through similar.

CogitoEggySometimes · 21/04/2014 14:54

Definitely. It's stock in trade for a bully to create doubt and insecurity. It fills in the gaps when they can't be there in person. Sort of psychological grouting :) It's rather why you need people like solicitors, Womens Aid, MN and so on to provide an impartial perspective when you're finding it hard to trust your judgement.

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 15:15

It's taken me years to get him out. Probably too long, and that's why dd1 wont talk to him. she's learnt what he's like :( This is exactly what I need though. I've been away MN for ages after breaking the addiction! But I knew it was the best place to come ;)

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Forgettable · 21/04/2014 16:19

Zeph no advice but from one old-timer (albeit namechanged) to another - welcome back

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 16:38

Thank you Forgettable! :) (It all feels a bit strange but a few names are familiar)

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doziedoozie · 21/04/2014 16:58

He sounds a violent person. Can you tell DCs and DD that he is very mixed up at the moment and getting angry with you, and sometimes them, so you have decided that it is best if he stays away until they are older and can decide for themselves about how much they see him (or words which mean he isn't out of their lives forever and that they have some control over this ) but really he shouldn't be anywhere near them imo as he is not a stable person and that's what you should enforce.

Also he is not yours or your DD's problem so keep him away.

mummytime · 21/04/2014 17:44

Do talk to the police, having made contact could be very useful for you in the future. No more trying to play happy families, separate events for Birthdays etc. Contact is supposed to be for the child, not the parent. If your old children can explain why they don't want to see him that will be good. If he had a fight with a bus driver the bus company should have a record, it might be useful (if embarrassing) to get a copy. Try to keep a diary.

zephyrcat · 21/04/2014 20:45

What's the best way to get advice from the police - should I call or just pop into the local station for a chat? I'm thinking perhaps I should consider an injunction as he is the type to turn up when he realises he's not getting his way.

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Forgettable · 21/04/2014 22:08

If you ring the non emergency number I bet they could advise you who would be best placed to answer your questions and guide you.

Is it 101? #chocolateforbrains

cestlavielife · 21/04/2014 22:28

Are there reports from the incidents of violence eg police reports ? You need all these. Let him take you to court and present all the evidence.
You need to be reporting all these incidents to eg your go so they on record. You should ask go to refer the children for family therapy (not with dad tho ) so they can get help to sort put their confused feelings eg being scared of him but your dd2 wanting to see him etc.

Involve your go hv and other professionals.
Get a solicitor if you can . But you need hard evidence for an Injunction so you need to be calling police every time he declaring you r has been aggressive. Any witnesses to the incidents?

Offer contact centre or supervised contact by another adult you trust, in safe place .

cestlavielife · 21/04/2014 22:29

Gp not go

cestlavielife · 21/04/2014 22:30

Call police aNy time he scaring you eg outside door etc. you need to stop worrying about the effect on him or dc of you calling police and start creating a trail of how he is. Otherwise n court it will be your word against his...

zephyrcat · 22/04/2014 17:57

Police are coming to see me this evening once the kids are in bed to talk about what's he said on the phone to me and them. I'm also going to tell them what he did to ds in the restaurant. They have records of reports made by me from 2011, '10, '09, '08.... :( also to to local women's aid so hopefully they'll get back to me at some point. Once I have all this I'll go to a solicitor. My Mum told me to just unplug the phone in the evenings and tell dd2 that he must be working late and just give a break from it all.

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