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DM snappy and aggressive. Should I say something?

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NutellaLawson · 18/04/2014 17:07

For a bit of background, DM has been with her partner for about ten years now and they have DM's mother (my GM) living with them. GM is over 90 but in pretty good shape. She can dress and bathe herself, she can make her own cups of tea and cuppa soups. She is continent and mobile and able to go up and down stairs without assistance, so while having her live with them is a source of stress, she's not a high-needs pensioner. Her eyesight, hearing and short-term memory are poor but she still has her sense of humour and she is a sweet and lovely woman.

DM works full time and her partner "Bill" works as a sole trader so his hours are more flexible. He isn't GM's main carer but he does a lot of the running around she needs (e.g. being dropped off at a social day-care she attends once a week, and picking up her hearing aid and taking her to doctor's, for example.

DM is quite open about the fact that she is not cut out to be a carer. Fine, not everyone is. She relies heavily on her partner, but how they arrange care is up to them.

However, DM has taken to using a nasty tone with both her mother and with Bill. For example, if GM is anxiously checking around her chair, looking for her handbag (she has poor short-term memory and frets about leaving it somewhere) DM will bark "NOW what are you looking for?! You leave that alone, you!" and GM is cowed.

If Bill says something to contradict DM she gives him short shrift. I was on the phone to her recently and she suddenly, mid-phone call went ballistic. It took a second for me to realise she was shouting at Bill, not me, because he was concerned she had marks on her jacket. She turned on him with ferocity so I said I'd ring her back. Now was obviously not a good time.

Then I felt bad that I'd left Bill to take the full flak of her anger. Like I'm turning a blind eye. SHe has also left me an extremely angry voicemail. Her anger was not direct at me, but at her phone not working properly (she didn't realise she was leaving me a voicemail. Her rage and outburst were shocking, though).

DH is quite distressed by how she talks to GM (her own mother) and we've had a word. We also offered to look after GM so she and Bill can go on holiday. They kept refusing but last summer took us up on the offer. We thought it might be the stress of having an aged parent to look after, but things have not improved.

How do I broach this with her? She'll get really defensive and I'm not convinced she'd change. She is never aggressive or sharp with me. Only Bill and her mother, neither of whom seem to stand up to her.

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Aussiebean · 19/04/2014 00:58

I don't know but there must be a support service that you can contact who can give you advice on how to deal with this.

An outside agency who can help and who aren't invested.

Sounds like she needs some coucelling. Maybe talk to bill and try and get her to the gp for a referral.

If you still have the voicemail you should keep it. It might help to convince her she needs help.

But first place would be a charity or supprt service for advice.

cozietoesie · 19/04/2014 01:05

She sounds stressed all to heck. Might I ask whether you've ever seen any sign that she's taking anything for that - even to self medicate? Does she drink for example?

cozietoesie · 19/04/2014 01:08

Oh - and by the way. Are there any possible alternatives to your GM living with her?

Millyblods · 19/04/2014 01:08

Sounds like she is fed up with everything. She may feel that after bringing up her children that this was her time to enjoy what is left of her life but looking after her mother has been a strain. Could your Grandmother not live in a retirement home

Spiritedwolf · 19/04/2014 10:07

Are you in a position to offer your GM to stay more permanently if she's unhappy? If not then maybe helping her look into care options?

WRT Bill, you can support him by letting him know that you think your M is being unfair to him. Challenging the snappy tone if it happens in front of you. Is it possible that your mother has health problems of her own (early dementia etc) or do you think she is just stressed (or has she always had people she isn't very nice to?).

The important thing is making sure your GM isn't trapped in a horrid environment by looking at the other options.

Spiritedwolf · 19/04/2014 10:10

There are maybe carer's organisations she can get support from too

WestmorlandSausage · 19/04/2014 10:13

speak to social services about having a carers assessment

bunchoffives · 19/04/2014 10:15

With all due respect looking after your GM once while your mother goes on holiday is really going to make very little difference to a stressful long-term situation.

If you really want to help you need to totally drop the critical and judgmental tone and talk to your mother to see if she is stressed about her mum and then suggest that you both explore some alternative care arrangements if she is.

cozietoesie · 19/04/2014 10:36

I would actually suggest that you explore alternatives and present it to her almost as a fait accompli because she'll likely deny that she's in any difficulty if you talk to her.

It's incredibly hard caring for an elderly parent - not only do you have the emotional issues of a failing parent (which are hard enough) but the pressure simply does not let up - and there's no prospect of long term improvement to ever lift your spirits. It could break anyone, especially if they have a job to go to as well. 'Bill' may simply not know what to do in the situation - and is likely also a tad cowed by the thought of family/older people obligations.

(Sorry - that's not well expressed but in my experience it's difficult for people to complain about something in certain situations without feeling like a jerk: they tend to try to soldier on and can end up in very great difficulty.)

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