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Some reassurance please

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Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 13:04

I separated from my STBXH last April, (some of you may remember my thread - about my parents disowning me etc because I left H because I was so unhappy) although we had to continue living together until September, due to work commitments, selling the house etc. Since then, I have resided with the DC in a rented home and he moved back home to his parents. He took 65% of the sale proceeds to the house because I earn more than him, although at the time he earnt a fair wage.

He then got sacked from his job for stealing, and now works temping at a firm, earning a fair amount less. He gives me 200 a month (he earns about 1000 a month) which equates to 100 being half of a joint loan we still have outstanding and 100 a month towards the DC. He also pays 20 a week during school term for the breakfast club.

So as well as living expenses and rent on my home with DC, I also pay 400 a month for the after-school club, with no assistance from him, I have no money left at the end of the month and struggle, but we are happy. He collects DC at 5pm and spends time with them til I get home to collect them between 6.30 and 7pm. He gets more quality time with them during the week, then I have one day a weekend where it is just me and the DC, then the other day he spends half the day, or has them for a sleepover, although this has only happened 4 times in the last six months.

All seemed to be going OK, but he has now found out I am seeing someone. He has now threatened to quit his job and go for custody and I pay him maintenance. It terrifies me that he could even consider this an option. I have always fully encouraged joint custody of the DC, I understand he is short of space at the parents, but I try and encourage sleepovers as often as possible, although he has thus far cancelled one sleepover so he could go fishing [sceptical]

Before we split I worked evenings, so spent all day with the DC, doing school runs, doing everything at home etc. I considered myself to be primary carer, then he would look after them when I went to work, which would total about 2 hours a night before they went to bed. He did nothing for them, he hadn't even taken them to the park on his own until we split up. I encourage them to spend as much time as possible with their dad, I do all the running about dropping them off to him and picking them back up again. He cited my unreasonable behaviour in our divorce, due to my working evenings, made him feel like HE was the main carer. I came home on many occasions to find him drunk!

Please put my mind at rest - surely at most he would be granted joint custody? DC are 8 and 4 and so far seem happy, they get a good quality time with us both, both doing great at school. They are my absolute world and it terrifies me that a judge would even consider granting him custody just because I work fulltime, something that hundreds of thousands of parents have to do Sad I know he is probably just saying this because I am now seeing someone, but I just want to be able to ignore his silly comments and continue trying to be the best mum I can possibly be.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/04/2014 13:26

You really need legal advice. From what you've written it sounds like he's acting out of spite rather than any real desire for joint custody, but you need the opinion of a professional rather than leaving anything to chance. One well-timed letter from a solicitor and you could cut him off at the knees.

RatherBeRiding · 08/04/2014 13:34

Yes you really do need legal advice which I am quite sure will tell you that the most he will get is 50/50. Please don't worry - if he really wanted residence he wouldn't have waited until - coincidentally! - he has discovered you are seeing someone. No court in the land will grant him more than 50/50 based on what you say above, but best to hear it from a solicitor who deals with stuff like this every day.

LavenderGreen14 · 08/04/2014 13:35

I think it is very common for an ex to make such a threat designed to scare you.

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 13:49

Thank you, its so hard to remember the time we were happily married as time goes by. He makes threats like this, and then asks me to be "lenient" with him in terms of money next month, as he needs to tax his car and that he will "double up" when he can afford it.

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LavenderGreen14 · 08/04/2014 13:56

about time you made the claim for child maintenance official then I reckon?

onetiredmummy · 08/04/2014 14:08

Fuck him. Ignore his silly threats & stop pandering to him. Remember that you can also stake claims, its not just him who can, so if you want more quality time with the children, you can cut his weekly time & do the whole alternate weekend thing which is fairer. He doesn't get to call all the shots!

Go to a solicitor or CAB (free) for advice re custody.

Go to the CSA for maintenance (my private arrangement with my ex broke down too) & its easier as you don't have to discuss money with him at all. the CSA take it from him & pass it onto you.

I do feel how hard this is for you but you need to get more assertive. At the moment he is demanding & getting whatever he wants & using fear to manipulate you. You have split up, you don't have to do this anymore. Tell him no. Get your maintenance money, his car is not your problem! Its not his business who you are seeing or not seeing.

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 14:08

It just all seems unfair. I was blamed and shunned by my mother for leaving him, I've spent the last 12 months with hardly any friends and no family, I've just got on with my life and finding and creating a new home for DC and me. And yet now I have actually met someone I like, who the DC like being around, I feel I will be scrutinised for it, is this really how I will have to spend the rest of my life?

Yes, I really should make the arrangements more formal, I just tried to make the whole situation as amicable as possible - I can see that is never going to happen. Pronouncement of the decree gets heard in Court tomorrow.

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Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 14:15

Thanks Onetiredmummy - great name Grin

I've been trying to get him to do alternate weekends, but he can't for reason of "I'm tired after working", "I'm going out Saturday night", "I'm going fishing so I can't see the kids at all this weekend".

He lives with his parents, has a single bed, so I know he sleeps on the floor and the kids "top and tail" in his bed, but thats not my fault. He lost his job because he stole thousands of pounds worth of materials over a long period of time, oh and of course, that was my fault, I conspired against him to get the sack Hmm

His latest (and how he found out I was seeing someone) was to have me spied on! I am fed up of constantly looking over my shoulder every time I leave my home now. I am going away for a few days on Thursday, it will be such a relief to be able to enjoy some time with the DC. I will tell him that the DC will call him every evening, apart from that my mobile will be going off. Is that wrong?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/04/2014 14:17

I think, in order to get on with your life, you have to develop a 'screw you' mentality. A selfish streak. Means acquiring a thick skin & a Gallic Shrug... urgently. Your mother shuns you... People want to scrutinise you for having a new partner... It's really none of their business how you live and it's not your job to make other people's lives amicable... up to and including your oxygen-stealer of an ex

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 14:32

I know you're right Cognito, the thing I find hardest though is the "screw you" mentality. I had no contact with DM for nearly six months, apart from abusive text messages from her, but I still text them once or twice a week to see if they are OK and if they need anything - stupid aren't I?

Ex fills their heads with his lies, and they believe him. Maybe I should tell them about new man, although why should I? I never discuss my life with them now. The abuse will start again when he tells them Sad

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Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 14:59

Reading my own posts - I sound such a martyr don't I?! Sad

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/04/2014 15:26

You're not stupid, just a decent caring person. If your own family are prepared to believe a pack of lies from the person that made you so unhappy then they are not worth a candle. So tell them nothing, let them find out in their own time & think what they will, and only share details of your private life with people that actually matter and who care about you.

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 15:33

That was the thing - my DM thought I should just put up with being unhappy, I would "never do any better"!?

Hilarious conversation with her at the weekend that got me wondering - my dear (not!) sister is possibly moving to Jersey for a new job. DM said she felt she has been slapped in the face, that she would have and did everything for her parents when they grew old and needed help, and she feels insulted that sister could just up and go without giving her a second thought?! Really? Is that why you have DC, to make sure you are looked after in your old age?! I was shocked, although not surprised.

Anyhow, Cogito, you are right, the people that care about me do not judge me, they are supportive and are there for me and DC. I'm just scared of losing my babies Sad

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 08/04/2014 16:32

You won't lose them if you get in control, take legal advice and stop trying to be Mrs Nice Guy with the nasty little bugger. I saw a latin phrase the other day which was 'if the wind will not serve, take to the oars'. So get rowing!!!

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 16:46

Thank you x

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MexicanSpringtime · 08/04/2014 17:45

Good for Cognito, excellent advice as usual. Does he have the cheek to make any of these threats by text or email? I am no lawyer but it would surely open a judge's eyes to read them.

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 17:52

Not those threats no, but I do have a text where he threatens to beat up new man Shock

I just want him to concentrate on being a good dad, and I want him to move forward in life, to meet someone new. I wish him well, just wish he could do the same for me

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Handywoman · 08/04/2014 18:13

Log those threats. Don't let this crap get to you. He is deluded. And a nob. Have a lovely few dats away Smile

Handywoman · 08/04/2014 18:14

days

Overtiredmum · 08/04/2014 18:32

Thanks Handy! Off to sunny Scotland to spend time with my best friend and her family!

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