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Tell me which way to go

21 replies

lifecrossroads · 09/08/2006 16:41

All my life I have been shy, nervous, unconfident, quiet, considerate blah blah blah...

Now I'm 25, 1 non-close friend, 2 kids, single, no money....what am I doing wrong?

I'm starting to think if I spoke up for myself, used people for what I wanted like everyone around me seems to, thought "bollocks" to people who are relying on me to care...maybe I would get further in life?

Do nice guys/girls fnish last??

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chubbleigh · 09/08/2006 16:49

You don't have to shit on people to get ahead. I have resolved that nothing but hard work and single mindedness are going to get me the things that I want. I am a single mum and I am absolutley on my arse at the moment so I know what it is like. It's all up to me.

Ags · 09/08/2006 18:07

'shy, nervous, unconfident, quiet, considerate'

Sorry to make a snap judgement but those traits you mentioned make me think you have low self esteem. Its lovely to be nice to other people but it doesn't mean that you can't think highly of yourself at the same time.

I agree that you don't have to be nasty to others to be a success but I do believe you have to feel you deserve good things.

It is easy from the outside to suggest the usual getting out, meeting other Mums etc. etc. but having no knowledge of your circumstances I don't know if any of that is possible. Also, with low self esteem doing things that put you in touch with other people can seem terrifying.

Would be great to hear more from you about what exactly is going on.

gem1984 · 09/08/2006 21:33

i know how u r feeling. i'm a sigle mum too, feel to shy to talk to ppl and get treated like s**t by men all the time. i thouht i was just a trustworthy person but it seems i'm more gullable. ur not doin anything wrong. i do feel like its always the good guys that fimish last....

HappyDaddy · 10/08/2006 11:21

Sorry if this sounds harsh. If you feel and act like a doormat, you'll be treated like one. Think positive about yourself, you're single because your standards are high. You don't have many close friends because you value friendship and dont consider just anyone to be a real friend.

Don't change WHO you are but change the way you project yourself to others. Look at yourself and see the good things, dont make them out to be negative.

I used to think like you but after a few stern words from my dw am a much more confident and happy person.

Good luck, onwards and upwards.

Ags · 11/08/2006 03:34

HD, do I spot NLP at work in those positive reframes? I definately agree with your thinking.

Lifecrossroads, it would be great if you would post again to let us know how you are, what you think etc.

HappyDaddy · 11/08/2006 12:30

What's NLP?

SoupDragon · 11/08/2006 12:31

neural linguistic programming or something. I think

Ags · 11/08/2006 12:49

Neuro Linguistic Programming - kind of hypnotherapy like Paul McKenna does. Full of positive reframing like you did. You're a natural HD!!

HappyDaddy · 11/08/2006 13:05

Oh you mean what I call "talking bollocks"? Yes, I'm a natural. Should I start my own business, do you think?

indeep · 11/08/2006 13:10

I have been a single mum in the past and at the moment am craving that lifestyle again. I met a guy 2 years ago on line and am now realising that things are more difficult than ever. I have a 5 year old, he has a 6 year old & now we have a 4 month old baby together. My life is soooo messed up I don't know which way to turn. I wasn't sure where to post anythings on here - new mu, step parent, relationship, ... nothing seems right in my life. I am completely trapped. at least as a single mum you just have yourself and your child to worry about.I wish I was back there!!! Please enjoy what you can of it & do not throw yourself into any kind of relationship until you know it's for real.

Pages · 11/08/2006 19:37

Two things: Indeep, are you sure it's not post-pregnancy hormones and lack of sleep talking? I felt like you when DS2 was around 4 months old and now am loved up with DH again. (DS2 now 1 year old)

HappyDaddy, just wanted to say thank you for posting on my thread and your words are very positive here. It's nice to have a Dad on mumsnet.

Lifecrossroads, don't be so hard on yourself. I could tell from your other thread that you are someone with low self-esteem, which is quite possibly a lot to do with your mother. But the fact that you are asking these questions is a huge big plus - you are ready to make some big changes otherwise you wouldn't be asking. That is hugely exciting. You have the power to be whoever you want to be.

People who stomp over other peoples feelings don't get ahead, they lose people. I have one or two friends who are quite lovely and gentle like you and others who are more assertive. But there is a difference between being assertive and being aggressive.

I would also like to hear more about you.

wartywarthog · 11/08/2006 19:55

I think you just have to start saying no to stuff you're not happy doing, so people stop taking advantage, and start taking stock of all the things you are, rather than all the things you are not.

so you're considerate and kind. and i bet loads of other things too. and i'll bet you can do lots of things that other people can't. so maybe they're not better than you, and maybe you deserve as much as everyone else...

twinsetandpearls · 11/08/2006 20:02

All my life I have been shy, nervous, unconfident, quiet, considerate blah blah blah

I went through a phase like that when I was married and for a long time blamed my husband but in fact we do get treated the way we expect and accept.

I think you do need to build up your self esteem as I did and that takes time and a lot of effort on your part. I started by going to lots of classes so I started an OU course, did some volunutary work and studied photography so I made friends, made myself more interesting and the self confidence grew. I would verbally tell myself that I am smart, funny, intelligent, attractive and gradually I started to believe it and when you do other people do as well. THis sounds a bit sad but I also used to "rehearse" converations or think of things I could discuss when out with people as I used to find social situations difficult.

I don't think nice girls finish last but i think perhaps girls who don't love themselves do. Over the past few years my life has transformed itself and I have fulfilled so many dreams that seemed out of my grasp and I am certain that is beacuse I beleived I could make them happen and tried to do it for myself rather than relying on others or dreaming of that day when I will be able to do it all. I consider myself a nice person, and I do get shat upon and taken advantage of but if I want something bad enough I usually get it.

I also think that people , both friends and romantic people are drawn to confident people, not cocky or overbearing but confident. I am not the world's most beautiful woman, I am size 16 with a flat Irish peasant nose but find it easy to atrtact men or be the centre of attention because I give out an air of confidence.

twinsetandpearls · 11/08/2006 20:03

" both friends and romantic people " should read both friends and romantic partners" sorry its the wine!

lifecrossroads · 11/08/2006 21:02

Thanks for all the replies, I am in a strange state of mind lately, I'll try and explain but I'm not sure if I can.

As I said in my original post I have always been unconfident, shy and nervous. From the age of around 8 I became the kid that nobody wanted to play with, the boys would make fun of me and the girls would roll their eyes at me and tell me to go away. This basically went on all the way through school and although I wouldn't call it bullying it was certainly social exclusion and I'm still not sure why it happened.

When I was about 9 or 10 my parents split up and there was quite a bit of arguining going on around me, my mum went to bits basically and me and her ended up living with my grandma (who's husband sexually abused me), then I was sent to live with my auntie, then back to my mum again.

Around this time my mum seemed desperate to get a man and joined dating agencies in order to do so. I remember a few different men coming into the picture and going straight back out of it again apart from 1 who lived at the other end of the country. She was besotted with him and would do anything to be with him. I remember one time she went down to see him on the saturday and was supposed to come back on the sunday as it was my birthday. On the sunday she phoned my grandma and said she'd missed the bus . Another time she took me down there to meet him and he made it obvious I was not welcome, when we got back my dad and grandma had got together to report her to the social services so more arguments.

When I was 11 my father died and it really destroyed me, I had nobody to talk to about it as everytime I brought it up to my mum she would say things like "stop blaming me!" (which I never did) and "I knew him longer than you did" for gods sake he was my father...not a mate .

Then she got with this other bloke, everything was ok at first, he seemed nice and I was promised that we wouldnt need to move out of our house and I wouldnt need to change schools (I was 11 at the time so just started secondry school), I had already changed schools 6 times since I started at 5. Needless to say within a few months we had moved out of our house to live with him and I had to change schools. This is when things started to turn sour, he made it obvious that he didnt like me (the feeling was mutual at the time) and would get ready to go the chippy, ask everyone what they wanted and then hold his hand out for money when I told him what I wanted. (remember I was still a kid at this point). His parents hated me and would come into "our" house and completely blank me, even on my birthday. My mum never stuck up for me and now says she was 'torn' between us and was frightened of losing him.

Needless to say I went off the rails as a teen, started taking soft drugs, drinking, smoking etc. None of which my mum really tried to stop. I left home at 16 when he said that if I didnt take a crappy dead end factory job for £1.99 an hour rather than go to college I would be thrown out so I saved him the trouble. I also remember hearing them talking in bed one night and I heard my mum say "I do love her, but sometimes I wish it was just me, you and the bairn (meaning their daughter).

I had nowhere to go so ended up being found wandering the streets by my cousin who took me in and I lived with my auntie (a different one) for a while. There she set me off at college and things were looking up...I couldnt get used to the lack of freedom though and ended up getting asked to leave after going out drinking one night.

Then I ended up in a student house sharing with 3 women and 1 man...I was only 16, they were all in their late teens/early 20's...I was still at college re-sitting my GCSE's.

Whilst at college I met a lad who I thought I liked, looking back I liked him because he was the first decent looking kid to have ever shown an interest in me! So we got together and I became very possessive of him, made him give up his friends (who had made it obvious that they didnt like me, one even told me face to face).

Then things started going downhill at the student house, they all got together and told the landlord that I had been stealing from them, they later admitted that they just wanted me out because my music was too loud. I ended up getting thrown out for theft though (which I was innocent of) and I went to live with my boyfriend and his family. I got pregnant pretty quickly at the age of 17 as I felt I wanted a baby so that I could be a good mum, we moved into our flat and he was working...things seemed ok but then we moved onto a council estate and things, again went downhill, he packed in his job, we had horrible neighbours who kept causing trouble for us, he started to hit me and then whilst I was pregnant with our 2nd child he told me he had been seeing a 16 year old girl.

I eventually managed to get a house of my own after lots of mental torture and I lived on my own with 1 son and 7 months pregnant with our other. He ended up moving back in with us before the baby was born but it wasnt to last eventually, after 8 years together we split for good.

I didnt feel I was ready to be on my own, Id only ever had 1 proper boyfriend before and wanted another, I dont know why. I quickly got involved with another man who was no good for me, we were together for a year and now I'm single again and in a strange frame of mind, I feel I want something out of life and I am determined to get it, I just dont know what it is.

Sorry this is so long.

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Pages · 11/08/2006 21:19

Lifecrossroads, you have been through so much, it's no wonder you are feeling lost. Your mum sounds incredibly like mine. She has clearly failed to support you throughout your life (like mine) and sounds equally as defensive. And it is no wonder you didn't fit in at school or make friends easily if you moved so many times. I would definitely advise you to get some counselling - if you tell your GP you feel you need some help and about the sexual abuse you should be able to get a certain amount on the NHS. Is this something you think you could do?

Thomcat · 11/08/2006 21:29

You don't have to be nasty to get ahead. Sort out your confidence and stand up for yourself but don't use people, that's just nasty. If people around you are using you thwen move on.

Starrt with you - hate this expression -but only thing I can think to say - you have to love yourself before anyone can. Cliche but v v v importnat.

Ags · 12/08/2006 01:01

lifecrossroads, what can I say? No words can express my sorrow for all you have experienced. Everything I want to say sounds like a pile of crap.

I really agree with Pages that you should go to your GP, explain your history and how you are feeling and ask to be referred for counselling. Do you have a regular GP and are they ok? YOU NEED TO DO THIS ASAP for yourself, your kids and your future. You deserve more and at 25 you can have a fantastic life ahead. Don't leave it any later, start to live now. COunselling can be a fantastic tool to help you come to terms with the past and move forward with more confidence and more positivity. Can I say again, you deserve it and so do your kids.

Please post again and let us know if doing this would be possible for you. X

Pages · 12/08/2006 08:07

U totally agree that you have all your life ahead, but it will be hard for a bit while you are getting the help you need because it will open up old wounds.

I went through a similar crisis to you at age 26 after the breakup of a five year relationship. For me it was just not really knowing who I was and what I wanted for myself. But I did feel very lost. Everything in my life was wrong. I had suffered physical abuse from my stepdad and also like you my dad had died when I was young (15) - although my mum left him when I was 5.

My family did not support me. I am sure my mum thinks she did but she didn't. I went through a really up and down few years of soul searching but changed career and developed the inner confidence that you need to form happy relationships. I then met DH and now have been with him for 8 years and am very happy. (I can't say that everything with my mother is good - it's not). But it is up to you to make the changes and get a better life for yourself and I personally believe you need some professional help to do this, given your history.

Pages · 12/08/2006 08:07

U totally agree that you have all your life ahead, but it will be hard for a bit while you are getting the help you need because it will open up old wounds.

I went through a similar crisis to you at age 26 after the breakup of a five year relationship. For me it was just not really knowing who I was and what I wanted for myself. But I did feel very lost. Everything in my life was wrong. I had suffered physical abuse from my stepdad and also like you my dad had died when I was young (15) - although my mum left him when I was 5.

My family did not support me. I am sure my mum thinks she did but she didn't. I went through a really up and down few years of soul searching but changed career and developed the inner confidence that you need to form happy relationships. I then met DH and now have been with him for 8 years and am very happy. (I can't say that everything with my mother is good - it's not). But it is up to you to make the changes and get a better life for yourself and I personally believe you need some professional help to do this, given your history.

Pages · 12/08/2006 08:08

U was meant to be I. And I must stop double clicking...

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