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Is there any hope for my marriage?

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HeatherMoor · 23/02/2014 01:26

If so, how on earth can we go about salvaging it?

My counsellor suggested I write a letter to DH to express my feelings about our relationship. I wrote it in December but haven't given it to him. I've copied out below, sorry it's quite long.

My counsellor asked me what would happen, how you would react, if I wrote you a letter explaining how I was feeling about our relationship. I thought you wouldn't read it all, and wouldn't respond. You would perhaps say that you couldn't be arsed with it, and ignore it.

However, you said: no, to write it. That you would respond.

This is the hardest of letters to write. I know so much of it will hurt you, but my feelings are what they are, and I have felt this way for quite some time. In some ways it is good to write them down and get them off my chest, but I am worried that you knowing the whole truth about how I am feeling will have an irreversible, damaging effect on the status quo.

Mind you, I am not happy with the status quo.

Be prepared for a very honest, raw account.

I think you probably are aware that I have thought seriously, for a long time, about ending our marriage. The times you have crossed the line with your behaviour to the kids particularly, but also the longstanding lack of any sort of relationship between us leaves me sad and lonely.

I think the heart of the matter for me is respect.

I have lost a lot of respect for you, for many reasons, including
-debt : racking it up, not knowing or disclosing what on, and not telling me
-failure to take any responsibilty for the debt or any attempt to pay it off, other than using money I earn

But mostly

-that you seem content to be sitting at home, not contributing fully at home, and not contributing financially at all.

It puts me in mind of your mum and dad's relationship. I used to wonder why on earth she was in a relationship with a man sitting at home, while she worked and did most of the housework, and he ran up debts! And here I am now , wondering why I am doing the same.

I am supporting the family and have so much responsibility and you are so passive. I need you to step up and take responsibility for finding some work, providing for us and contributing.

I am working in a job causing me stress and making me unwell, and you sit around a lot, spending a lot of time on your computer and your hobby. You get 4 child free mornings per week. You have a lot of time. I spend my work free days tidying up too often instead of spending quality time with DS. I feel like a fool, being taken advantage of.

There is a huge imbalance here. It makes me feel resentment.

I find it hard to believe that in over 2 years you have been unable to find any work at all. You can't afford to be choosy. The right thing to do here is not rest until you have something, whilst continuing to work towards your dream career.

It's difficult to be attracted to someone you don't respect.
In addition, the 'look' you choose is not attractive to me (old,scruffy clothes and long, untidy hair). There are days you don't wash. Sometimes, I am embarrased to go out with you.
At the moment, I find it hard to find you physically attractive.

When we have been intimate, it has been disappointing. Not always, but when we have sex it is. You know there is a problem there - losing your erection/premature ejaculation. We have spoken about you talking to the doctor, but it seems you don't want to address it. That leaves me...well, frustrated. I miss sex. I want sex.

I don't want to remain in an attractionless, sexless marriage but the power to do anything about this seems to be entirely yours. If you don't want to address it, it seems my choices are accept this and live an asexual life, or find another partner. What a choice! My first choice would actually be fix the problems in our sex life, but that is not within my power.

Someone asked me: if I left, what would I most look forward to. It was easy to answer. A partner. Someone who took equal responsibility and made equal contribution.

You used to be such a patient, affectionate, fun father. There are still glimpses of that, but much of the time you are exasperated, snappy distant. Another thing which adds to my sadness is that I want another child. I can see that, in this state, this relationship is not one to bring another child into. You have been clear that you don't want more children. I would definitely have another child in a happier relationship.

I honestly am not sure whether I love you any more. I want to. I hope we can resolve some problems and find love again. I know I love the man you were, and that is what I am clinging to. I hoped the man you had become was a temporary persona while you were ill. I am not sure if you are still depressed or something else. You seem flat. Lost. Drifting. The longer you do the further we drift apart. I would not have chosen a partner with these characteristics and feel as if I am living with someone I would not have chosen. Please step up before it is too late. Find yourself again. This situation can't continue indefinitely.

Love from me x

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badbaldingballerina123 · 23/02/2014 21:35

I would take out the bits where you say the power and choice is his , because it isn't . If he believes he has the power and choice he has no incentive to change. Things are pretty cosy for him at the moment .

I would take out the statements that imply the balls in his court and I would make the same points but shorter . At the end I would say that I will need him to respond with what he intends to do to address those issues. The chances are he won't do anything unless he HAS to .

Annakin31 · 24/02/2014 01:42

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badbaldingballerina123 · 24/02/2014 02:34

Possibly he is depressed . If so , it's his responsibility to resolve that, harsh as that may sound. It's not ok to give your job up and put all the financial responsibility onto your spouse. It's not ok to sit around stinking and expecting your partner to find you attractive.

From what you say Op , he is blindly modelling his parents marriage , it sounds like his father was a very poor role model.

Do you think he is depressed Op?
I wonder whether he has low testosterone? Much is made of women's hormones but next to no consideration is given to men's. Men who have low testosterone can display symptoms similar to your h , it 'might be worth reading up about to see if it sounds like a possibility.

MrsCakesPremonition · 24/02/2014 03:02

I was expecting the letter to be about your feelings, but in places it looks like a long list of your DH's faults. I would imagine that he will focus on the fault finding and be distracted from understanding how you feel, which in turn lead to him reacting defensively. So it maybe that the letter has the result of shutting down communication rather than opening it up.

For example, you say "you are exasperated, snappy distant" - which doesn't leave much scope for any response except "oh no, I'm not". Battlelines are then drawn with you on one side and him on the other.

Would it be at all possible to rephrase it along the lines of "when you do X or Y (give specific examples), I feel like you are deliberately distancing yourself from all of us. It makes me sad to feel that you do not appear to enjoy being a father."

Nor is there any mention of you both, working as individuals and as a couple, changing things together. You have made it clear that, in your opinion, it is all his fault and his responsibility alone to fix it.

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livingzuid · 24/02/2014 09:06

Has he received professional support for his depression? Does he even acknowledge this is even an issue?

Depression is vile and horrible for everyone but equally there needs to be ownership of it by the person in recovery. You aren't clear if he's still in this state or not, and whether he is prepared to go to gp/psychiatrist/therapy.

If yes, then it can take years. Some people are not the same after a serious breakdown which is a really severe trauma to go through. But if he's prepared to help himself then that can go a long way to improving relations between you with you supporting him. It isn't an easy road but then marriage and life isn't ever really.

If he's not getting help or prepared to then you have a real problem I'm afraid. You can't carry someone who refuses to help themselves. You need to think of yourself.

As for the letter, I can see why you want to get some things out in the open - but, as a pp said, if he's struggling with depression then a lot of this will make it worse not better. You'd be better off discussing it face to face with structured counselling imo.

HeatherMoor · 26/02/2014 21:46

Thank you for your opinions, which I have been reflecting on.
Quite a mixed response from people, really, but my gut says that sending the letter would be destructive. However, it does needs to be said. I am going to make an appointment for couples counselling tomorrow and aim to work through it that way.
Flowers

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MrsCakesPremonition · 26/02/2014 21:52

That sounds like a constructive way forward. Good luck.

anapitt · 26/02/2014 22:47

I really don't understand this.

Do you expect him to clean up his act on account of the things you say in the letter? If he got out of debt, got a job, cut his hair, brushed his teeth and took a shower and sorted out the bedroom stuff would you love him and all be ok?

i honestly can't see why you would stay with someone like that.

My ex was lazy and bad with money but was slim , handsome and clean . I still got rid of him ( eventually ) and have never been happier.

And our kids are fine

anapitt · 26/02/2014 22:49

Also, I've been depressed but I have never been lazy or dirty

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