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H left. Who is abusive? *very very long*

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Hurtinginside · 22/02/2014 10:38

Name changed for this because I'm embarrassed by my own behaviour. It will probably get long.

My husband has left me. We've been married 2 years and have 2dc, a teenager from my previous relationship and a 1yr old. The 1yr old is currently being investigated for some serious health concerns.

H walked out yesterday because we had an argument. He says that our marriage isn't working because I'm upset with him all the time.

The reason I'm posting is I think he might be abusive but I'm not sure if actually it's me. I need to work it out for my own peace of mind because at the moment I feel confused and lost.

History:
Our relationship has been pretty terrible. I had an affair before we were married, H knows about this and forgave me. There's no excuse for cheating of course and I'm not trying to justify it but to give some idea of the circumstances, I was under a lot of pressure at the time.

I was financially supporting the family due to H having been out of work for some years, he was supposedly looking for work but in reality mostly played computer games, H was angry a lot of the time and complained a lot about me being lazy about housework (that's sort of fair, I didn't do much but I worked full time and he was at home doing nothing, no childcare or anything). I tried not to nag about him getting a job but it hurt me that he wasn't putting any effort in. He would get annoyed if I brought it up, even if I tried to do so in a non nagging way.

I lost a lot of respect for him, was unhappy in my life and should have left. The affair was escapism, with an older man who could have taken care of me, taken the pressure away. My MH at the time was very fragile which probably contributed too.

I have been violent to H. While I was pregnant we argued and he was awful to me, shouting in my face, calling me a slut and whore, punching doors and smashing things. I reacted by self harming by cutting myself with scissors. H tried to take them from me and I hit him to get him off. He then phoned the police and physically restrained me to prevent me from leaving the house, I hit out several times trying to get away. He told the police I had assaulted him and was crazy and needed locking up, they took me to hospital and I saw a duty psychiatrist who didn't think I was crazy and let me go home.

He has also been aggressive towards me, throwing cups towards me (but not directly at me, just so they smash next to me) and pushing and shoving me, including while I was holding our tiny baby.

H has accused me of being very controlling, not letting him see his friends, I don't think this is true but when DC was newborn he left me on my own with the baby 4 nights a week so he could go to his mates and I did say I thought it was too much and unfair to me. He's cut down to 1 or 2 nights a week now, I don't complain about this, I'm not sure if he still resents me for controlling him.

H sometimes gets annoyed if I call or text him while he's out because that's also controlling, if I say anything negative such as dc has been grumpy or ask what time he might be home then that's unreasonable. I've only been out 2-3 times since having DC but H has rung me every time with DC screaming and screaming in the background to ask when I'll be back (even if I've told him before I go what time I'll be back). H says he thinks I should go out more often and I'd be happier if I did but then when I do go I always end up having to rush home because of dc.

Sometimes if I plan to go out H gets irritable or at least I think he does, he says he's not and I'm imagining it, so I end up not going.

Actually H gets irritable a lot. He gets grumpy and ignores me or speaks to me with this tone in his voice. If I ask what's up he will often deny anything is bothering him, sometimes he'll eventually tell me the issue, sometimes he will just be calmer and nicer later on. I feel on eggshells when he's like that and it's worse when he says it's my imagination.

If I am upset about something H will sometimes be nice, if the thing I'm upset by is related to his behaviour at all then he's not nice. For example if I said i'm feeling very tired, dc has been hard work the past few nights and I could use a break, H would think I was accusing him of not doing enough with dc and would get annoyed with me. If I cry about anything he usually ignores me completely which makes me feel even worse.

He also ignores me if I try and bring up any problems I might have, if he'd said something that upset me for example, if I tell him he will totally blank me like he hasn't heard me speak.

H blames me a lot. For small things on a day to day basis (like not having done the shopping right, he says he's not blaming me because 'he could have done it himself he guesses' but that is still blaming me for it being wrong isn't it? or maybe not) but also for big things, teenage dc was hurt while out with friends and I was upset Hs immediate reaction was 'well it's your fault for not being stricter about where they go'.

He sometimes lies in order to blame me for things. He claims I said things which I didn't say so that it's my fault. Like saying I told him I didn't need any money for food shopping this week so now he won't have enough money to buy me a birthday present (he almost never buys me birthday or Christmas gifts anyway), when I didn't say that.

Other small incidents in our relationship include him phoning my mother and telling her I had PND (I didn't) because I was upset by something he'd done and telling his mother that not only did I have PND but also that I'm a vicious evil slut and was going to stop him seeing his baby who he wasn't sure was even his (he is sure). He has told me several times that if we split up he wants nothing more to do with the DC because it would be too hard for him to see them.

And that's my life. I know if I'd posted about any of this before there would have been lots of LTB replies but he's done the job for you and left me. He was supposed to be looking after DC when I go back to work next month but now will not be, so I'm now left sad and confused and in need of full time childcare soon.

Practical side is we rent from my family, I don't think he'll be difficult about staying away and we have no real assets to split so straight forwards.

If you've waded through all this then thank you, I'd appreciate some opinions - am I controlling? is he abusive? are we both abusive? how do I be better in future. Please be a little gentle though because I'm hurting right now.

OP posts:
HoratiaDrelincourt · 22/02/2014 13:03

Right. So he has been violent with others (dog, fights) and is known to have a short temper. You have an abhorrence of violence and haven't had to defend yourself against anyone else.

Who do we think is the abuser?

StormyBrid · 22/02/2014 13:17

Sounds like you're well shot of him. And you don't sound abusive; you sound like you've done your best to accommodate him and make him happy at your own expense. You deserve better. It hurts now, because you love him. Give it time, stay strong, think about all the little things in your life that will be better without him. And perhaps try not to worry too much about analysing and understanding - he behaves this way because he's an abusive wanker, and as you're not one, no amount of analysing is going to make you understand why because you don't have the abusive wanker mindset.

innisglas · 22/02/2014 13:27

I'm so happy for your children that you and they are out of this situation. It must have been terrifying for them at times. Go out and celebrate!
I don't know if your husband was an abuser but IMHO, if only for the sake of the baby, pregnant women should not be shouted at no matter how much the provocation. He sounds totally self-absorbed.

CheckpointCharlie · 22/02/2014 13:37

He sounds like a total bastard.

You are well rid OP.

It makes me feel very sad that you have tried to do more housework etc to keep him happy and he treats you so, so badly.

Honestly, you must not get back with him, I am sure once he realises what he is missing (being looked after and pandered to) he will try and come back.

HelenHen · 22/02/2014 14:51

Oh op what a toxic situation Sad

Congratulations on your freedom from the controlling bastard and I hope it's sooner, rather than later, that you realise what a good thing it is that he's left. Do you have any friends or family left who can help with some listening? You deserve some time to yourself to get your head around all of this. I know it doesn't feel like it now but you must start looking at the positives and create a beautiful life for you and your dcs!

Maybe visit your gp and ask to be referred for counselling? For what it's worth, you don't sound abusive or controlling at all!

KouignAmann · 22/02/2014 17:40

Well put StormyBrid

Matildathecat · 22/02/2014 18:16

Double lock the door and pop open the champagne.

Seriously, you will be so much happier without this toxic man screwing with your head. Give it a while and you will look back and wonder if it was some kind of nightmare. Keep this post to remind you should you ever feel tempted to give it another go.

Child care might seem a problem right now but when you look back you will wonder how you could have contemplated using this sorry apology for a man to care for your precious baby.

Incidentally really hope the baby is ok and the health problems are resolved.

Take good care of yourself.

mypussyiscalledCaramel · 22/02/2014 18:17

I could have written your post 6 years ago, even my x ringing my Mum.

I have 1ds with him, who hasn't seen since I finally saw the light. He stated on the divorce papers that he didn't want to see Ds 'because it was too emotionally draining'.

I am a very happy single Mum, I have dunked my toes in the pond of dating, but have decided to give that up.

Your OH is the one that is abusive, he is the one making you walk on egg shells, he is the one gas lighting you.

Your children will also be happier.

Wtafjusthappened · 22/02/2014 18:24

Your life sounds like mine except he is still here, drinking and smoking his way though it all.

No wise words but some hand holding from me.

EirikurNoromaour · 22/02/2014 21:11

Prolonged abuse can lead otherwise non violent people to react with aggression or violence. He has abused you for a long time, and when he was being aggressive with you, who did you hurt first? Yourself, before you raised a hand to him.
Nothing that I have read in your posts suggests that you are abusive or controlling. I think you were married to a total wanker and you tried very hard to make him into a decent person, which he isn't. It was not your fault and you didn't cause this.

SolidGoldBrass · 23/02/2014 00:49

OK, this shitbag will be back at some point. He will alternate between a grudging apology for his behaviour and an insistence that you take him back because you 'can't manage without him.'
DO NOT FALL FOR IT.
Change the locks to keep him out of the house, hang up if he phones, inform him via email that you will only communicate via email and only on matters to do with him seeing DC and/or any finance that needs sorting out. Don't give him an inch. He is scum. The failure of the relationship is 100% his fault because he is abusive, and the only way to treat him is with polite, distant contempt.
If he becomes aggressive inform the police. If he bombards you with texts/phonecalls/abusive emails, inform the police. Operate an absoulte zero tolerance policy with him. Because he's just an unpleasant, inadequate man and deserves none of your patience or consideration.

NatashaBee · 23/02/2014 00:56

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cakehappy · 23/02/2014 09:32

Thank fuck he's gone OP! What a total and complete tosser! Hand holding and lots of positive thoughts coming to you from me.

YouAreMyRain · 23/02/2014 11:39

You are NOT abusive.

He is.

The difficulty is that he is highly manipulative. He has been gas lighting you which has made you doubt yourself.

A lot of it has been very subtle which can be very damaging as it is harder to identify than more "obvious" abuse.

He has undermined and belittled you for too long. Please do not give him another chance. He is very nasty and dangerous, and he does not care about you at all.

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