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Hello everyone, I have a tale for you :-/ (long, long, long)

28 replies

PeppermintPasty · 31/01/2014 20:55

Hello,

I have been away from MN for too long...

...So, I probably do need to offload, so apologies in advance.

Last time I posted I was in a relationship with the father of my children, and had been so for around 13 years. My backstory is basically that we got together when he was 18 and I was 31 and we were together for all these loooong years. We have two amazing children aged 6 and 3. He cheated on me in the early years, pre children, we broke up, we did some work on it, and we got back together, things were "fine" for the last 8 or so years.

Except they weren't. In that, at the heart of it, he was/is a manchild. I have praised him highly on here in the past for his role as SAHD (for the last 2 years before we broke up) and I thought I had pretty much acknowledged his faults and I thought I had accepted that living with someone you love can sometimes mean compromising big time.

But it just got too much. By compromise, I mean that I was often wondering where he was on a Saturday morning after he had gone out on a Friday. He didn't cheat on me again, since about 2006, and in his screwed up way he used to try and argue that as he wasn't out cheating, I should just automatically trust him and know he was out with his friends and would come home...whenever. You get the picture.

Now, he wasn't cheating on me, at least not with any other human being, but he was cheating: He was cheating me out of a happy and contented life. Don't get me wrong-he wouldn't do this disappearing act every weekend. He would maybe do it once every 2 or 3 months. Maybe you might say -so what? Not the end of the world etc.

Thing is, he was seemingly incapable of going out to the pub say, "for an hour", and coming back when he said he would. Sometimes it would be two hours (big deal), and sometimes it would be 3am or overnight.

The "system" in place before we broke up was that I would say I didn't mind, just CALL me, and tell me that your plans had changed, CALL me and tell me that you're now going out to a party (or wherever), so I can sleep (I had sleeping problems, oh, and migraines-go figure).-I sleep well now, no headaches...

Perhaps I sound high maintenance, but you know, I took him back after the most spectacular cheating that I still can't bring myself to go into on here (more fool me I know), and here's the thing-I really loved him. It was worth it, I mean to work on it, and to strive for it (child of parents who drummed it into her to never give up here Wink).

Anyway, it worked for some years. I thought we'd cracked it. But the evenings spent together diminished, and I got tired of being the one to suggest we did stuff together. We were, at best, like flatmates with children.

There's a whole load of hideous stuff that would have you baying for his blood (trust me!), BUT, and now I get to the point, buried in this drivel...

...I was very worried about splitting. I wanted to do it, but I was scared about the effect it would have on the children. I was worried how I would cope with being a single parent and working 4 days a week in an office an hour's commute away from our very rural home, with all my family support 250 miles away. The only financial support for the children, as I knew that if we split he wouldn't pay anything towards them.

But you know what, all the wise people on here are right: It is like thinking about jumping in at the deep end of the pool when you can't swim very well; it's like sitting in the dentist's waiting room fearing the worst pain. But when you do it, oh my god! It is amazing! It's like breathing clean air for the first time in years. The RELIEF. The peace, the peace.

All of you out there in a similar position, bloody hell, feel the fear and do it anyway, or something like that.

The children are fine, actually they are incredible. He was verbally abusive to our ds in particular (this is what tipped me over the mountain), and the house is a happy relaxed place now. It's bloody hard work juggling it all, but I have some amazing friends and one friend has taken a permanent position as childminder. He thought I would crumble. I didn't, and nor have the children.

This is obviously cathartic. I'm putting it out there, I don't expect a response (maybe "cut some paragraphs FFS"), but I just thought I'd let you know, form the old horse's mouth, there is happiness and peace out there somewhere.

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DoctorTwo · 31/01/2014 21:05

Well done for getting rid. It's difficult to do sometimes, especially when kids are involved and we love the person, but you've done the right thing. I wish you the very best. :)

phoolani · 31/01/2014 21:09

Actually, I think your loooong story is the best thing I've read on here in a loooong time. Congratulations on discovering what you're capable of when you get rid of the piano on your back!

tribpot · 31/01/2014 21:09

Jesus. The relief of getting shot of that waster must be immense. Well done.

PeppermintPasty · 31/01/2014 21:12

Thanks you lovely lot. I've had a couple of down moments, and I do mean a couple. But they soon pass. I feel so lucky, if that makes sense!

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Gimmesomemore · 31/01/2014 21:14

This is great news and congratulations on your new and improved life.

I'm sure others will draw strength from your story, so well done you.

ateddybearfromdelaware1 · 31/01/2014 22:11

Wow! So pleased for you PP.

Have nc but you've helped me lots in the past and you popped into my head the other day!

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 31/01/2014 22:17

Well done Peppermint. It's 4 years on for me now, I felt similar fears to you at the time and I'm so glad I ended it now. So glad. I dread to think how I'd be now, if I'd tried to somehow make it work.

PeppermintPasty · 31/01/2014 22:20

Ooh! I helped you? I'm glad.

I want my op to help too. All those people on a similar position. Fear really was holding me back. I've got a fair way to go, but I'm feeeelinggggg gooood. (Sorry, just singing that last bit Grin )

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PeppermintPasty · 31/01/2014 22:21

Thanks Mome.

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FrontForward · 31/01/2014 22:28

I think all relationships go through difficult times and you have to sit them out…sometimes you never get through though and I know couples who have made each other unhappy for years.

Splitting up is wonderful if your relationship is like that. You can both move on

glamourousgranny42 · 31/01/2014 23:07

thanks for your post. You are right about the worrying if you are doing the right thing. But once you are on the other side of a bad relationship its great.
I can relate to you saying the atmosphere in the house is different. When my ex husband left me and the kids felt like such a weight had been lifted. We were relaxed and had a laugh and watched crap telly!
Wish you and the children lots of happiness for the future x

maparole · 31/01/2014 23:34

Fabulous post Grin

I'll second the message ... anyone who knows they are miserable just get the fuck out before you lose any more of your life

I've had low days and I have moments of real worry about money, a roof over our heads, etc, but the joy of being ME is so huge. I genuinely think I may have been dead from stress had I stayed a few more years

Playedlikeafool · 01/02/2014 16:13

I'm so glad I was pointed in the direction of this message. My story is incredibly similar, and I was made to believe my expectations of a normal, respectful family life was unreasonable!
I. So glad you found a light at the end of the tunnel and I'm so hopeful I find it too. Early days for me, but your story brings me strength, and I need to focus on the positives - no more defending children from cruel discipline, no more meal time arguments, and no more childish behaviour from a man child! Amen.

mammadiggingdeep · 01/02/2014 16:20

Congratulations. Enjoy your new life :) xx

PeppermintPasty · 01/02/2014 17:30

I've missed MN Thanks

Playedlikeafool, hold on, and look ahead. I read a few similar threads when things were, you know, ho-hum, bad sometimes, not so bad other times, and I was reading them with my eyes, but sort of mentally going "LA LA LA LA" in my head, trying to drown out the reason I was drawn to those threads!!

In the end I suppose the decision was made for me. As an adult, I could choose to a large degree how much crap I was going to put up with. But children are so vulnerable aren't they? They rely entirely on the adults who care for them. Ex was often offhand with our ds, but sometimes he was great of course. Very confusing for my boy.

However, the day that always sticks in my mind is the day that I was upstairs getting ready for work and I heard ds downstairs in the hall say to his father "Daddy, where's Mummy?" Instead of giving the normal person's response of "she's upstairs", he sneered at him and said " Well, where do you think she is? You've not seen her walk past you have you?" Said in such a horrible manner. But you know what, my son just walked away, didn't say a word.

I did though, obviously. I shouted down the stairs to tell my ds that I was upstairs and said to ex that there was no need for that etc. My ds had gone into the lounge and didn't hear me. A second or two later, he came out and asked his Dad, as six year olds tend to do, again, where I was. He got the same only worse and I came down the stairs and let rip at my ex and he stood there, in front of our son, listing his faults (never listening/asking stupid questions/not thinking for himself). I couldn't believe it. It was vile, my ds is SIX ffs, not that it's acceptable at any age. I saw my ds looking up at his dad, motionless, drinking it all in, so I told him in no uncertain terms that it was all utter rubbish and the faults were all his. Bastard.

That was that really. The very day before we had had words about him going somewhere different to what he'd told me the night before, and coming back at 4 in the afternoon instead of 10 am as agreed, and he actually stood in front of me and uttered those words "well, I'm never going to change" and just shrugged. What do we always say on here?? -when someone tells you what they are like, you better listen. I listened, thank god.

Sorry, a bit epic again Blush

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AnyFucker · 01/02/2014 18:13

Hi there, I remember you

I am glad you are in a better place, and like you said, any man that can treat a child like that has to go and go for good

I hate him for how he spoke to a 6yo, and I don't even know him.

PeppermintPasty · 01/02/2014 18:25

He is gone for good AF (Hello). Mid October off his things went up to the garage in a few bin bags, and out he stays. No going back.

(I shall gloss over what a trusting twat I've been in the past, and how happy I thought we were at times. Sigh).

Actually you know, I must make some sort of apology for being one of the people on here who would pop up from time to time and say "Look at my relationship, we survived his affairs, we made it work, we are happy".

The reality is that he didn't have any respect for me at the end of the day, none that was worth having anyway, and I turned a blind eye and in that I did a disservice (albeit unwittingly) to some of the women on here asking questions about whether they could successfully rebuild things after infidelity. He felt he had "paid his dues", and could therefore do whatever he liked (stopping short of shagging around again).

Not good Sad

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AnyFucker · 01/02/2014 18:37

Hindsight is a wonderful thing . Time has a way of showing us what we need to do, and so it will be for the women looking for someone anyone to give them the green light to give a crappy man another chance. The whole of society tells women they should be the ones to compromise, that such men are worth overlooking your healthy boundaries and it's a hard lesson to learn.

PeppermintPasty · 01/02/2014 18:51

True. I don't feel I was being dishonest (I was only kidding myself, as it happens). I think I was consumed with wanting it to be so, wanting it to be right, and that carried me on for a few years really. It may take me some time to dissect all those feelings in my head and heart, but I have made great leaps and bounds since the split.

I have actually felt my power, if that doesn't sound too crazy. I felt my sense of self coming back to me and I have felt my strength again, and that is good.

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AnyFucker · 01/02/2014 18:57

Indeed. I guess by trying to reassure others everything could work out, you were really saying it to yourself

I see it over and over and it's a human response.

< cod psychologist > Grin

PeppermintPasty · 01/02/2014 19:12

Well yes,,that's it. And look, here I am again, hoping my experience will help others. Sheesh, maybe I should stay off MN Wink

I feel so positive about being out on the "other side", I feel a little bit evangelical....

...but you know, a lot of posts on here are about the fear of the unknown. How do I get across to someone in a similar position that being on the other side, freewheeling down the mountain, could not be worse than staying, and it could be infinitely better? I've just read a thread on here that takes me right back. It becomes normal and normalised, you accept it, even if you're a confident strong woman, and I am.

Forgive the rambling everyone.

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AnyFucker · 01/02/2014 19:31

The thing is, adults make their own choices

MN (or certain posters at least) has a reputation of being relationship wrecking

That is so not true, and the converse also holds

No one in their right mind would end or continue a relationship on the basis of a few anonymous opinions

And I certainly trust people to come to the right conclusion for them, even if it takes a little longer than is healthy for them...

Jackthebodiless · 01/02/2014 19:31

Well done op for taking control of your and your childrens' lives and sharing your story. I'm quite new to mn and am constantly Shock at how some people get treated by their partners.

PeppermintPasty · 01/02/2014 19:39

Thanks Jack. And AF, ha, yes of course...I don't mean to imply that it's any other way. I agree, we are all responsible for our own lives.

And Jack-the fact that you are Shock probably means you have healthy boundaries!!

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Ledkr · 01/02/2014 19:40

I love your story and hope it helps others.
I also left a shit marriage with positive effect.

I wanted to share my description of how it felt.

I used to feel like I was on holiday every day.
You know that happy feeling you get when you wake up on a nice holiday, I got that feeling in my daily life.