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Opinions on my marriage please

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MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 27/01/2014 23:17

I am interested in other people’s perspectives. I will try and not make it too long (maybe make a cup of tea!)

A bit of background on me, I come from a very dysfunctional family and have no support from them either practical or emotional. I do have a few friends although only one who I would say I am close to and is a positive support. I have attracted friends and partners that are no good for me. I was married previously but our relationship was volatile (big rows every few weeks which was horrible) and he cheated on me several times. It was a hard experience but thankfully having no children made a clean break possible.

I have been with H for 8 years and we have a 3 year old DS. H has always been moody but has had periods where good moods outweigh bad moods. He can get very wrapped up in himself and not take much notice of me. Over the years we have had ups and downs and a couple of times when he has been especially moody/distant for a period of time, I have threatened to end the relationship at which point he has always been more positive towards me. When our son was born I did appreciate the emotional and financial support (I was SAHM apart from working 3 evenings a week), although the practical support I got was very little. I wouldn’t say our relationship when my son was young was great, but I think no relationship is perfect and I thought it was ‘good enough’, especially given the pressures of having a child. H found having a child hard especially as he was my sole support (me having no family to help). I also found it hard and I know I wasn’t jolly all the time although I was never horrible towards him. I did get down at times, I had rows with my family and also my grandfather died which led to more family rows, this caused me stress which he told me he found difficult to deal with as I would talk about it/get upset and so on. He often said how unhappy he was his reasons being his job, and the pressures of family life.

18 months ago I stumbled across a message he had with a friend (a girl) on Facebook saying that he was unhappy at home and wished he was in Australia (he’s always said he would be much happier living there), and the only reason he was here was because of our son. I thought we were OK at the time as I had been a lot happier in myself the few months prior and saw no reason for him to be unhappy with me/our relationship. I confronted him and he apologised and said he was just having a bad day, he didn’t mean it etc. Not long after that I started to feel down again, I put it down to problems with my family but looking back think this was at least partly to do with this and we grew more distant. A few months later, we functioned more like co-parents – he wasn’t affectionate or attentive towards me but still expected sex. I wasn’t keen (though still slept with him sometimes) and he was not happy about it. I said that if he wanted me to want more sex then he would have to change the way he was towards me. I said the only other options were to carry on as we were, or split up. He said split up then, then went to bed in the spare room. The next morning he acted like nothing had happened so I reminded him of his decision the night before. He tried to backtrack but I felt angry so I insisted that he see it through although I kept it friendly. He went through the motions of looking for somewhere else to stay although at the same time turned into Mr Charming himself. After a week of this I thought maybe we were being hasty and proposed we work on things to which we agreed. We agreed to be more attentive/affectionate with each other. Mr Charming didn’t seem to stay for very long and 4 weeks later his moods had gone super sour. One weekend his mood was so bad I confronted him and he said he wanted a ‘6 month break’. I was like wtf! I said if he was that unhappy to just leave! (although I didn’t want to split up). He was sending mixed messages all weekend saying he loved me and our son, telling me that he was depressed but at the same time being awkward and disagreeable. I looked through his phone records and found he had been phoning and texting a certain number for the last 3 weeks! I was devastated and confronted him, he admitted an ‘emotional affair’ with a girl but claimed they had only kissed and not slept together (she was living with her long term partner). I told him that I thought it was best he go and he didn’t disagree. He found a place to rent shortly after, I asked him why he wasn’t trying to save our marriage and he said he felt it best he leave.

He left and it was awful, the first couple of weeks I was crying and was faced with the reality that I couldn’t financially support myself going forwards so threw myself into finding a job with more hours. Then I started to actually feel a bit better, not all of the time but at times felt more positive and confident than when I was with him. I had to see H quite often as he had to look after DS whilst I was working which was hard.

Anyway, he started being super nice again, arranging for someone to mow the lawn, and other little favours. I didn’t want to be acrimonious at all so was happy to be friendly. He also started to say he was sorry for everything, he was wrong, he realised he made a mistake and so on. I asked about his ‘girlfriend’ and he said that it never came to anything, he realised straightaway it was a mistake etc. I told him I wanted to be friends only. This carried on for a while and then one day he got really upset and cried (which he’d never done the whole time we were together), and begged me to give him a chance. I agreed to work towards giving our marriage a chance but not rush anything. We talked loads and he said all the right things. We started spending time together and it did feel really good, like it did in the beginning. After a few weeks we were dating and he was spending some nights over.
I thought maybe the break although painful had done some good if we could get a positive relationship out of it.

In the meantime I did actually manage to find a job with the right pay and hours, although it is a temporary position (ongoing).

Anyway, things seemed fine until he moved in a couple of months later. He started getting distant / grumpy sometimes. He also stopped doing his house jobs he’d agreed to do and got defensive if reminded. I had a falling out with my sister and was a bit pre-occupied sometimes which he didn’t like. He also put me down with regards to my job (he said I took it the wrong way) and pressured me into joining bank accounts again which I wasn’t happy with (we still havent). After only 3 months I was really unhappy, I wasn’t sure how much the disagreement with my sister had upset me and whether that made me more sensitive. H admitted he had issues, he claimed his job was really stressing him and he agreed to see the doctor. At this point though, I think my feelings changed and I kept myself at an emotional distance from him. He promised he would address his issues and his behaviour has improved greatly. 4 months later and I don’t know if I made the right decision staying with him, in some ways I wish we had stayed split up when he left as it would have been easier, on the other hand ideally I would want to keep my family together.

Main reasons I shouldn’t be with him

  1. When we were apart sometimes I felt more confident and positive, like I wasn’t being suffocated anymore

BUT I did also miss the part of him which is loving and caring

  1. He has treated me poorly in the past for example swearing at me, hitting doors, throwing things at wall (not at me). He has criticised me, talked down to me, been verbally aggressive towards me (tone and body language rather than name calling), refused to engage in conversation other than functional, not offer affection or positive attention.

BUT, his behaviour has improved; he hasn’t hit or thrown anything for a good couple of years or more, he has had stress at work which he has found difficult to deal with and has had added pressures of child and me as I have no family support. I may be getting things out of perspective concentrating on the negative things only. He doesnt call me names or scream in my face.

  1. Even though he is treating me much better than previously he can still be grumpy/critical/aggressive/negative towards me / our son and I don’t feel secure the good/nice behaviour will last

Recent examples (last few weeks):
a) Shouting at DS to ‘Shut Up’ (just for chattering) and then smacking him for throwing something (he’s 3)

b) I say ‘I feel fat’ (before going out). His reply ‘Well you are.’ Deadly serious. When I said ‘That wasn’t very nice’. He replies ‘Oh, I was just joking’ (slightly annoyed tone).

c) He came in from work, I was busy on the computer, say hello then carry on. He grumpily says ‘I may as well have stayed out’. I reply that I’m just busy with something (in pleasant voice). He says ‘You’re in a funny mood and you’re making me in a bad mood now.’

d) I’ll be late back from somewhere and he’ll ask where have I been but in an accusing grumpy tone.

BUT maybe I expect too much, am over-sensitive? Maybe I’m reading his tone wrongly? Maybe it doesn’t help because I am not being affectionate/loving towards him? He is nice/pleasant the majority of the time.

  1. He is negative about other people which I find draining.

BUT it’s not his fault I feel drained, maybe he’s being protective?

  1. He talks negativey about our son, he has often said in the past ‘I love our son a lot but in retrospect I wish I hadn’t had him.’ The last time he said this I told him it was negative and has said it so many times, and I didn’t want to hear it again.
  1. He can moan endlessly even when doing nice things. He’s moaned on holidays, on spa days, on meals out. He moaned about getting a Christmas tree and lights at Xmas.

BUT, he doesn’t always do this, surely everyone is entitled to a moan now and then?

  1. He is not sociable, wont have anyone come around the house and will only very occasionally do something which involves other people and then only his family.

BUT, it is up to him if he wants to be sociable, it doesn’t stop me being sociable (outside the house)

Reasons to Stay

  1. I do care about him

  2. Ideally I think it having two parents at home is better for our son.

  3. When considering leaving I feel depressed

  4. When I can block out the negative stuff about our relationship and tell myself things are fine I feel happier

  5. I worry about financially supporting myself as there is uncertainty with my job and very difficult to find another job that works with childcare / pays enough

  6. I worry how he may react if we split – stress brings out bad behaviour from him and worried how he may treat me and/or our son. I was at an advantage when he left as he couldn’t blame me then

  7. I hate the thought of dealing with the upset a split will bring

  8. I know two other people who left their husbands who are less happy than they were when they were married and so are their children

  9. I don’t want to be alone; I’m not worried about being on my own in the short-term say a year or two, but what if I never meet anyone special? He does love me I know that much

  10. What if I have a pattern of being attracted to unhealthy relationships – I could go through all this upset to just find myself in a similar situation with someone new. I have no idea how to change my pattern.

  11. He is being super nice most of the time now, maybe I should give him a chance? (Although I feel reluctant to reduce the emotional distance I have created)

If you've got this far then thank you :-)

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MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 30/01/2014 07:51

Hello everyone, I have decided to be brave and end our relationship once and for all - if I'm being totally honest he has brought me little happiness and I want and deserve to be happy! I'm already feeling positive imagining a life without him, although also feel sick at the thought of telling him it's over and going through all the practicalities of him moving out and so on.

I've decided to tell him tonight, so please, any words of support would be appreciated :) thank you

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AnyFucker · 30/01/2014 07:54

You are doing the right thing. You will never meet anyone else decent while you remain with him, flogging this particular dead horse

AngelinaCongleton · 30/01/2014 08:03

I get the dysfunctional family bit. It totally makes you question if any of your opinions are reasonable or skewed. However I would say, this relationship doesn't seem that healthy for you. You seemed to succeed better on your own. Go your own way and get some counselling? It will put you in a better place for future happier relationships?

Kandypane · 30/01/2014 08:05

Good luck, you are doing the right thing

Jux · 30/01/2014 08:44

Good. Send him on his way, and look at the happy future in front of you.

Jux · 30/01/2014 08:45

Oh, and then see if you can do the Freedom Programme.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 30/01/2014 09:20

Hi Yummy, without wishing to sound like some cod Chinese philosopher....try and see it as a path you are taking and by taking the first step you are accepting that you do not know what is further down that path and that it will be bumpy and rocky at times but at the far end your instinct tells you it will be smoother, sunnier and eventually you will be able to walk along it with even your eyes shut.
I had a similar situation in the past and several times I put my foot on and withdrew it. You have the company of your DC with you. Get your walking boots on Kid!

MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 30/01/2014 15:22

I just can't do it.....have stressed myself all day and feel exhausted can't face the emotional turmoil, as much as I don't like my current situation I think it's more tolerable than the emotional roller coaster of splitting up when we have a son. If we didn't have him I think I could walk away but I'm just not strong enough....I don't know what else to say :(

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AnyFucker · 30/01/2014 15:32
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AllOverIt · 30/01/2014 17:01

The emotional roller-coaster will be turbulent for a few weeks but then it will settle. You'll find a 'new' normal. If you aren't honest with him (or yourself) you'll make yourself ill with all the emotional turmoil.

temporarilyjerry · 30/01/2014 18:15

You don't have to tell him today. Why don't you wait until you've seen your counsellor? You might feel clearer then.

TheCalvert · 30/01/2014 19:35

Leave, and don't look back. How do you know what happiness is if you have only felt unhappiness.

You deserve better.

TheSparklyPussycat · 30/01/2014 20:40

It's Ok to take your time. From my own experience of a miserable marriage I would counsel you to end this.

But please do not take as long as I did - nearly 30 years.

Meanwhile why not look at [http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1963156-Support-for-those-in-Emotionally-Abusive-relationships-thread-28? the Emotional Abuse thread]] and maybe read some of the links on the top post.

CarryOnDancing · 30/01/2014 21:12

I've got to be honest I stopped reading at the part where he says he wishes you didn't have you son. Couple that with him shouting at him, smacking him and scaring him, not of the rest of the list would matter to me.

I wouldn't have that poison around my child-not for a single day. It wouldn't matter one bit that he can be nice at times-those aren't the times that will be imprinted in your son's memory. It is cruel to let him life with someone who doesn't put his welfare first.
Two parents aren't better than one, if one of them has the ability to emotionally scar the child. He doesn't deserve to see any more of your OH's moodswings!

yellowismyfave · 31/01/2014 07:17

I'm so sorry, it is exhausting to feel as you do and I can really relate to it. If in your heart, that really instinctive voice is saying you no longer want this then keep on rereading your original post and it should help you find the strength. Project forwards and imagine the potential emotional damage to your son over the years and this may also help you find strength. You deserve to not live like this. Be kind to yourself x

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 31/01/2014 10:25

It often does take several goes. Your DC will be better off with a happy Mum and no Dad than this though. He has ground you down so far you don't know what is normal any more. Give yourself some breathing space and re-read your thread. Imagine you were reading it as if from a best friend or your DC. I also imagine you need to find anger rather than upset/hurt. I was with an EA asshole for four years and lived with him for six months and one day I just snapped, got angry and suddenly it all became clear and there was no way back for me. It was in a situation where my Mum was seriously ill with cancer but he wanted a 100% of my attention and made an ultimatum if he didn't get it. I was able to 'see' him for the lowlife, whiney, immature, selfish, emotional pygmy that he actually was. I needed his support at the worst time of my life and all he could think of was himself. It hurt like hell though but I look back now and wonder why I put up with it for so long.
In you situation where my now DH comes in but I don't get my arse off the computer he would say,
'So you finally found a website with Alfie Boe naked on a rocking horse huh? Wanna brew?' THAT is normal loving behaviour on his part and my answer might be,
'Yes I did but I still prefer you'. THAT is normal loving behaviour on mine. Be kind to yourself, give yourself breathing space but in the long term, make a plan. You are nice, your DC is nice. He doesn't deserve either of you in his life.

MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 31/01/2014 12:03

Thanks everyone for your support. I feel disappointed as I was in such a good frame of mind, positive, focussed, determined and it just seemed to evaporate! I have a bad headache today, feel calmer though.
I have started to detach from him, also I am more assertive. For example when he shouted at my son and smacked him the other day, previously I would have either not said anything to keep the peace or I would have engaged in a row with him. As it was, I calmly challenged his behaviour, first of all he got really defensive saying he couldn’t help it as our son had caused his reaction. I calmly reminded him that he can make choices over his behaviour, and I didn’t feel the way he behaved was appropriate. He snapped at me ‘Leave me then’. So I calmly asked him if he thought the way he shouted and smacked was right and he eventually conceded that it wasn’t. He apologised to my son for smacking him although I am unsure how genuine the apology was. It’s all very well saying I need to get my son away from him, but as his dad, he will always be in his life and if I am with him, I could monitor and influence his behaviour more than without?
My only other thoughts was that since I have detached from him and he is getting no emotional or physical intimacy from me, surely its only so long before he looks for it elsewhere, and I think it’s likely that he will want to leave of his own accord then?

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AllOverIt · 31/01/2014 14:48

To be honest, I couldn't stay with a man that hit my son for no reason other than his own frustration.

Your poor son Sad

MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 31/01/2014 16:44

Its done! He came home early from work to talk as he sensed things weren't right. He said he felt that I didn't want to be with him anymore and asked me straight out. I admitted I just didn't feel the same way about him anymore and he said he guessed I would say that. He was fine about it though and both have said we want to keep things friendly. He's planning to move out over next couple of weeks. I'm actually feeling Ok about everything now, I'm hoping that it stays that way! Thank you all for all your positive support :-)

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Jux · 31/01/2014 17:00

Well, good luck Mrs. Forgive me for feeling a bit sceptical about his sudden change of heart. How long will it last, I wonder?

Glad you've detached a bit. Detach a bit more.

Be prepared for wondrousness from him, and any other delaying tactics he can think of until he's got you well reeled in again.

I do hope I'm utterly wrong, but noting I've read of him so far gives me any belief that he's reasonable or genuine.

AnyFucker · 31/01/2014 17:17

what Jux said

MrsAnonymousYummyMummy · 31/01/2014 17:53

Hi thanks jux. I think it will be ok, he's got a lot of pride and also in the past he knows I haven't been happy with the way he's treated me so can treat me better and I have responded. I've basically said that him doing anything differently isn't the issue as I just don't feel the same anymore. I think he senses he can no longer get a reaction from me like he used to.

Anyway I'm just thinking about my future now! Yay!

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Jux · 31/01/2014 19:26

Excellent! Your future is rosie then Thanks

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