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First post, bit of an essay but help please!

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AnnaKarenina28 · 27/01/2014 14:24

Hi, I'm 21, a student and looking for some relationship advice. I thought I would turn to this because I feel I need advice from people with a bit of life experience rather than people my own age. I hope you don't mind (if you manage to get to the end!)

I had a relationship with a man that started this time last year. We worked for the same company but on different sites, met at a group Christmas party, hit it off immediately and fell quickly in love. He was 26 and I was his first girlfriend. He had no previous experience with women at all, had never even been on a date before. I knew this from other people we work with as he has worked there since he was 18. He spends hours working out in the gym to get a beautiful body, is exceptionally charismatic in social circumstances but painfully shy when anyone tries to get to know him. He was exceptionally scared of having sex with me (his first time) though he assured me that he wanted to and enjoyed it when we did (on his instigation).

It was a bit of a whirlwind romance and we really connected over a shared pain; I was watching both my Grandad's lose their fights with cancer and he had recently watched his Mum overcome breast cancer but lost his Grandad to cancer a few months later. We had a shared love of the gym, made each other laugh, told each other everything and everyone told us how well suited we were and how much he had come out of his shell and seemed happier for meeting me. He was always exceptionally gentle and caring though sometimes came across as nervous in his first relationship. At first I couldn't believe me luck, everything just seemed to click.

I was having a hard time with my university work and family circumstances and initially he made attempts to support me with this. But it eventually became apparent that I had a mental health problem and suffered several episodes of pyschosis induced by stress (I work a full time job on top of my degree and family issues). We had only been together 6 months at this point and within two weeks he had gone from assuring me he would stand by me and help me to him telling me he was seeing someone else and leaving. We barely saw each other for 4 months as I tried to recover from my mental health problems and also loosing both of my Grandad's within a month. When we did see each other (same gym, work) we either said hi briefly or ignored each other.

Then I was moved to his site at work and we had to work together a lot. For several weeks he was just downright rude to me until I raised the issue at which point he was horrified that he had come across this way, absolutely mortified and assured me that he would make an serious effort to build a good working relationship and possibly friendship. We started going for coffee, regular texting and getting on just as we had in the early days of our relationship. After him constantly assuring me that we were a work in progress and making a real effort I brought up that I still had feelings for him and instigated a conversation about where we were going with this? He said he just wanted to be friends which I accepted although it was a very strained conversation.

Since that point his behaviour has been completely bizarre. He is having both personal issues and work issues. He has been confiding in me on these but tells me half a story, not the full story. I ask how he is and am met with anger and "I don't want you to care", yet the next day he is crying down the phone at me. Another time he accused me of taking his phone and reading messages on it (ridiculous as our phones get locked away at work). I pushed him on this as it was obviously completely fabricated and he dissolved into tears and apologies at what a horrible thing to do this was and said it was because he had been under exceptional pressure at work. His words were "it made me lose all sense of rationality". He would cry down the phone at me one day, then deny we'd even spoken the next. He told me his Mum was being retested for cancer but when I asked about he test result he asked me "why should I care?" (his Mum also works in the same place and I think she's lovely, of course I care!). One night when we were together he woke me sobbing in the middle of the night, shaking, crying uncontrollably. He still lives with his parents so I got his Mum to help me calm him down. The next morning he denied any of it had happened. There are many similar incidences of seeming to want some serious support but within hours completely rejecting or denying this. One night he text me to say that he wanted things to be okay but he felt that he had to be superman all the time and could never show any weakness and that was why he acted the way he does. That he was trying to hold it all together, then would lose it and dissolve into tears on me and then find the strength to put on the act again and try and push me away again. He has no other real friends and seems to spend all his time trying to deny that he is a very gentle, emotional person and putting on a 'hardman' act. When I do not treat him if he is said 'hardman', he begins to ignore me or gets cross with me, until he breaks down over something else.

He has been an exemplary employee at work for 8 years but has recently started breaking rules, making mistakes, slacking off and has now been moved to a different site under a 'development plan'. He assures me that he is devastated about this, but cannot change his behaviour. He seems to have an odd relationship with our mutual boss, he used to be exceptionally close to her and now he seems to really dislike her, which I wonder if is behind this.

For three years before we met he was gym obsessed; a strict diet and exercise regime to the extent I was concerned he has an eating disorder. Now we've split this has been ditched (apart from the gym routine). It has been replaced by going out clubbing with 18 year olds several nights a week, but he does not drink alcohol. He chats to and flirts with loads of girls but repeatedly assures me that he would never sleep with any of them.

So I would like some opinions please? Do I give up on him? His actions seem consistent with someone who has intimacy problems or is deeply troubled? Do I continue to try and be his friend until he is ready to sort himself out? Does he really have problems or is he just treating me appallingly? Our boss has said she thinks he's having some kind of break down. I want to help him, but is this even possible? Having had a mental health problem myself, I am exceptionally worried that he is having one too!

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SchoolyardShizz · 27/01/2014 14:55

I think you need to encourage him to go and see a Doctor

AnnaKarenina28 · 27/01/2014 15:16

Thank you. He keeps trying to convince me that it's my problems reoccurring so I am relieved to hear that an 'outsider' also thinks that he has a problem.

I'm so worried :( I haven't got a clue how to start getting him help.

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flatbellyfella · 27/01/2014 15:17

It certainly sounds like he has psychological problems,& a visit to his GP would be the first step to finding the cause of the problem.

AmazingJumper · 27/01/2014 15:20

I don't think you're in a position to be able to help him, and your support of him could hurt you.

Just be glad you never committed to him or got married!

Twinklestein · 27/01/2014 15:22

He has serious problems and he's treating you appallingly.

Yes, he definitely needs to go and see a doctor, problems are too advanced for you to be able to help him with.

In your situation I would detach from him, your feelings for him complicate everything, for both of you, and you have your own mental health to consider. He's playing mind games and for you that's not safe.

AnnaKarenina28 · 27/01/2014 15:56

Thank you for confirming that. You are also right that I need to keep a distance in order to protect myself.

I worry that he will not admit that his behaviour is not normal and continues to try and convince everyone that he is fine. However outside of work he doesn't have any real friends. His Mum had an operation for breast cancer last week so I can't speak to her, otherwise I would. Is there any way I can pass this on to someone so I know that someone will look out for him, without damaging myself in the process? I'm worried it will lead to him doing something stupid. I have also considered that he is taking some kind of bodybuilding supplement that is playing with his mental health. The change in diet coincides with the change in attitude and I wonder if he has replaced the diet with drugs?

I love him to bits but realise that both our individual problems make us a dangerous combination. I know we need to steer clear of each other but I don't just want to abandon him in case this gets worse. I can't force him to get help though can I? I have had loads of CBT to deal with my problems and it's been brilliant. I wish he could have a similar resolution. I guess you can't help someone who doesn't admit they have a problem?

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MadBusLady · 27/01/2014 15:58

Yes, he needs help, but it is NOT your responsibility to get him help. The pattern so far suggests he will keep alternately kicking you and drawing you back in for as long as you come back to take it. He sounds like an emotional vampire - there isn't going to be a cosmic "in the end" reward for you continuing to supply whatever emotional support he wants without getting anything in return.

I also suggest you examine your beliefs about love and falling in love, because your post is absolutely shot through with rescuer syndrome and things that should have been red flags to you which you instead interpreted as True Love. It's not healthy for a relationship to be the means of bringing somebody "out of their shell". That's something a grown-up does for a shy child or a nervous dog, not something they should do for each other. We are all responsible for our own happiness, and love is supposed to be something that happens when two already basically happy and complete people come together.

I'm afraid I would also have run a mile from anyone "exceptionally scared" of having sex - nervous, if it was their first time, yes. But not scared. Why did you find helping him overcome that an appealing prospect rather than, frankly, something not to bother with? And "bonding over pain" is not a good, healthy thing either. Grief is a very funny thing, and not a good place to make romantic decisions.

When you next hear something like "is 26 and hasn't been on a date", do not start nursing your self-image as The One Girl Who Can Make All The Difference. Ask yourself why that might be, and absent any obvious explanation (like "has worked at an Antarctic research station for a decade") assume there are bloody good reasons why you wouldn't want to get entangled with this person.

Twinklestein · 27/01/2014 16:56

There is absolutely nothing you can do to make him get help OP. He is an adult and only he can be responsible for himself and his problems.

As you went through mental health issues yourself you probably feel grateful to the people who stuck by you, and you may feel that you want to provide similar support to this guy.

It is possible to stick with people with mental health issues if they are responsible for their own treatment, they are not taking their issues out on you, and not manipulating you. But if they are, as this guy is, then you are in a situation whereby you want to save someone from drowning and he is both refusing aid, and pulling you down with him. You must recognise that are thus in danger yourself.

He always was a damaged bird, all the issues around dating, sex and socialising show that. His problems have got a lot worse and you simply do not have the training and expertise to help him. Walking away does not make you a bad person, it makes you a wise one.

maras2 · 27/01/2014 18:45

Could he be self medicating ? Weed ? cocaine ? MDMA ? Direct him to the doctors then take a step back. Remember your own mental health and be good to yourself.

Cabrinha · 27/01/2014 18:47

Does he use steroid drugs? I've no idea what the effects of abusing those are, but with the body/gym obsessed thing, it's just a thought.

He needs more help that you are able to give. He needs professional help.

Even if you decide to be there as a friend during that, you should not be sleeping with him, as it seems you are - if you were with him overnight at his mum's.

Very good advice above about thinking through why you want to be his saviour, the one that understands him, can fix him.

Matildathecat · 27/01/2014 19:15

I was wondering about drugs, too. Denying that whole conversations have taken place etc is very weird.

I don't think you are the one to help tbh. His boss should be referring him to Occupational Health. His mum, too could be suggesting the GP. He sounds very unwell.

You have tried to be supportive but time to back away now. Sorry.

AnnaKarenina28 · 27/01/2014 21:13

Thank you for your sound advice. I will be trying to take a step back as we will no longer working in the same location in a fortnight and will use this as the opportunity to distance myself and tell him I am spending my time concentrating on finishing my degree and the new management job I will be taking once I graduate.

I have considered the steroid possibility and it worries me a lot. It's very much frowned upon at our gym but I think I may mention it to the instructors as they take a keen interest in everyone's nutrition and he is very easily lead by this influence.

Is there a way I can register a concern with a healthcare professional so that should issues arise in future there is some background to it? What do Occupational Health do?

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AnnaKarenina28 · 27/01/2014 21:51

Just to clarify, we're not sleeping together, the sobbing in the middle of the night was when we were still in a relationship. It was the first inkling of something being wrong but I was ill myself at the time and unable to appreciate this.

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noddingoff · 28/01/2014 01:41

Is he gay and really, really brain breakingly repressed?

iamonthepursuitofhappiness · 28/01/2014 13:53

Ratehr than get involved any further and start registering concerns with HCPs and gym instructors, I think you should take a step back and realise that you are not responsible for sorting this out for him. IF he has a problem, then HE needs to take rsponsibility for his own mental and physical health. You are getting way too involved imo.

His behaviour to me looks like someone who is going through their teenage phase a bit late but is that any surprise if he was a shrinking vioet in his teen years. Also, no offence, but perhaps you are doing his head in because you have been unstable, he was too inexperienced to really help but he was probably very concerned for you, you have wangled your way back into being friends with him and are now super involved in his life again. I think, perhaps, you need to let him go and leave his family to help him (if indeed he needs any help at all).

That is just a few thoughts on the matter, I am not saying you are a nutjob or anything jsut that you are unhealthily concerned with someone elses mental health when you have your own to be concerned about. Do you think you could be projecting things?

I don't have an opinion but it is another viewpoint to consider perhaps?

Quinteszilla · 28/01/2014 13:58

I think you would do well to distance yourself from the situation.

He is a grown up, and he lives with his mum. She can seek help for him.

AnyFucker · 28/01/2014 14:04

I think you should detach yourself sharpish

It is highly likely he has a problem with drugs/steroid use/his mental health. None of those things are your responsibility and will drag you down with him. He has to seek help from professionals on his own account and if he won't you cannot make it your job to convince him.

Booville3 · 28/01/2014 14:05

Has there ever been any question over his true sexuality? Could he be in denial and is actually gay?

Quinteszilla · 28/01/2014 14:07

did he shag his boss?

Smoked to many smurfy cigarettes? Can cause psychotic episodes and mental health issues.

SolidGoldBrass · 28/01/2014 14:23

Walk away from this man. He is not your responsibility. Trying to 'register your concern' with medical professionals will make you look like a busybody - you do not have any legal right or authority over him, you are not his next of kin.

And given that you yourself have had MH issues, it's not a good idea to entangle yourself with someone who has worse ones. TBH it sounds like you would benefit from some counselling before you date anyone else - realtionships should not be about 'shared pain' and being someone's nursemaid. Relationships are not compulsory anyway, and they are certainly not a good idea for people with active MH problems.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 28/01/2014 14:54

You need to cut contact, I'm afraid. You have been his emotional support "shared pain", "getting him out of his shell" and so he will keep coming back to you whenever he needs an emotional fix: you've proved very useful to him so far, in that respect.

He will not cease contacting you, so you are going to have to be the one who does the hard work. It's tough, but it starts by not responding to his calls or texts, not explaining your reasons why, not checking his status on social networking sites (in fact delete him altogether), and of course not reaching out to him yourself.

It may seem cruel, but it is a kindness, to both of you. You are entangled in an unhealthy emotional bond. This is not a healthy relationship. It's time to end it, for good, and to move on.

He can access professional help himself, and will do so only when he is good and ready. No-one else can make that decision for him.

I'm sorry you're going through this. Be strong.

Monbrow89 · 28/01/2014 15:05

If he is using steroids they alone won't cause mental health problems, they just seem to emphasise existing characteristics. However trenbolone (one of the more potent steroids) can cause extreme mood swings when it is abused.

This is from personal experience n

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/01/2014 15:13

"He has serious problems and he's treating you appallingly"

This And FWIW I don't think 'shared pain' is a good foundation for a relationship. It sets up a co-dependency and a sense of obligation that can feel like 'love' but end up clouding your judgement. Glad you're going to keep your distance.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/01/2014 15:29

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

I would read up on co-dependency as you come across as co-dependent and would suggest you read Melodie Beattie's book entitled Co-dependent No More. That coupled with your innate rescuer and or saviour tendencies make for this being a really poor match here.

You are not responsible for him when all is said and done, you need to walk away. He is now dragging you down with him.

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