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help me please - ive made him go what do i do now

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thatlldonicely · 24/01/2014 21:49

some of you may recognise me from before - you were right - i so didnt want this to happen but i've just made him go - still dont know if anyone else involved - gave him one last chance to tell me and he still said no - i told him if i find out hes been lying i will take him for everything hes got.
what do i do now- kids are devastated as am i - ive told him not to come here at all over the weekend - but what do i do after that - right now i dont want anything to do with him but cant stop him seeing kids - they will be 13 this year - what a bloody mess - we would have been married 20 years this year - fuck - i cant believe this is happening. i dont work - i have been SAHM & he has own business - what am i entitled to- i can see my life going down the swanny -please somebody help me - i feel so alone

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foolonthehill · 24/01/2014 22:12

breathe, you will get through it, one step at a time.

thatlldonicely · 24/01/2014 22:13

i need some practical advice - what do i need to do

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MadBusLady · 24/01/2014 22:19

Your life will not go down the swanny, you will be fine.

This post by an MN blogger has a lot of links and information, including contact issues, how to find a family lawyer, links to benefit and tax credit calculators, how to go through mediation if that's the appropriate route etc.

I guess you'll find there's only a limited amount you can do over the weekend though, phone calls will be Monday morning. For now, have you got family/friends you can be with? Can you plan some comforting routines - even just nice meals at home, small trips out etc - with the DC this weekend?

FlorenceMattell · 24/01/2014 22:22

Take one step at a time. You don't have to have all the answer tonight or this weekend. Make sure kids are ok. Plan an outing or two. Buy yourself some treats and contact family friends.

foolonthehill · 24/01/2014 22:24

Maybe copy and paste this for future reference?...might be a bit much now?

When you separate

Children

Your children will need information and to be listened to (hard when you are breaking inside yourself). Inform pastoral care at school. Suggest that they can call dad when they want to (if they want to), use email or text to organise going out for tea with him next week (or similar) if they would welcome this. keep asking them what they want. Don't rush....and if he won't see them then don't cover for him but equally don't bad mouth him to them. Explain what you do know and tell them that you don't know everything yet.

For the future their welfare, needs and interests are paramount. Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard.
A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (“Statement of Arrangements for Children”). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order - “Residence and Contact” regarding children, “Financial Order” or “Ancillary Relief” in the case of Finance. Information and links to these can be found in the Directgov link below. Residence and Contact Orders are likely to be renamed Child Arrangements Orders in future.

Money and support

CSA maintenance calculator:
www.csacalculator.dsdni.gov.uk/calc.asp

Handy tax credits calculator:
www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/entitlement/question-how-much.htm#7

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:
www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

CAB Benefits Check:
www.citizensadvice.co.uk/getadvice/benefit-calculator/A2B-Benefit-Calculator/#730

Parenting issues:
www.familylives.org.uk
www.theparentconnection.org.uk

Other Support for Women – Children, Housing, Domestic Violence
www.womensaid.org.uk/ and refuge.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 2000 247
www.ncdv.org.uk/ - Helpline 0844 8044 999
www.gingerbread.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 802 0925
Housingwww.england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships/relationship_breakdown
(Note that there is usually an appropriate link on these websites for England, Wales and Scotland where the law, advice and contact information may differ.

Separation and divorce
Always see a specialist family lawyer! at least once

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don’t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation – there’s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don’t just stick with the first lawyer you find – shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you’re happy with.

If you can’t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law.

You can also find out about Legal Aid and get advice on the Community Legal Advice Helpline on 08345 345 4 345
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/Governmentcitizensandrightscontacts/DG_195356

Or search in your area for Community Legal Advisors:
legaladviserfinder.justice.gov.uk/AdviserSearch.do

Co-operative Legal Services offer DIY/Self-Help Divorce packages, as well as a Managed Divorce service. Their fee structure is more transparent and they have a telephone advice line as well as offering really good advice on their website:
www.co-operative.coop/legalservices/family-and-relationships/

You can read advice and search by area for a family lawyer here:
www.resolution.org.uk/

You will also read good advice and find a family lawyer here:
www.divorceaid.co.uk/

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients – Google solicitors to see if you can find any recommendations or feedback.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. This can help by encouraging discussion about arrangements for children and finance in a structured way in a neutral setting. However, it only works if both parties are willing to reach agreement.

If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation. This is important because while a Mediator should have knowledge of family law, and will often explain family law, they are not there to give tailored legal advice to either party - so it’s important to have that first.

Married

If you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:
www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights and issues around contact are further explained here:
www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown
www.maypole.org.uk/

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read – there are others of course:

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you have access to, and take copies or make notes. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements – savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

If you are married, the main considerations of the Family Courts where parties are unable to agree a settlement are (in no particular order of priority):

1.The welfare of any minor children from the marriage.
2.The value of jointly and individually owned property and other assets and the financial needs, obligation and responsibilities of each party.
3.Any debts or liabilities of the parties.
4.Pension arrangements for each of the parties, including future pension values and any value to each of the parties of any benefit they may lose as a result of the divorce.
5.The earnings and earning potential of each of the parties.
6.Standard of living enjoyed during the marriage.
7.The age of the parties and duration of the marriage.
8.Any physical or mental disability of either of the parties.
9.Contributions that each party may have made to the marriage, either financially or by looking after the house and/or caring for the family.

LyndaCartersBigPants · 24/01/2014 22:25

If he's self employed it will be easy for him to minimise his income to pay less maintenance if he's that way inclined. Make sure you get copies of bank statements, accounts etc if you can. You will be entitled to financial help, but you will probably have to work part time to help yourself. On the plus side this can be a great way to get out and meet new people and it can also be on a self employed basis, so if you've had experience helping him with his own business, use it to help you do something you love.

I haven't read your other thread sorry, but rest assured you're not alone, there's loads of practical advice and support on here.

foolonthehill · 24/01/2014 22:27

Or you could go to Olgaga's blog and see it put clearer and better! here

thatlldonicely · 24/01/2014 22:36

thank you - thats what i need - will look at tomorrow - going to try & get some sleep
unfortunately i am on my own here - i have spoken to my dad & will see him next week - only 1 friend can talk too - kids changed schools & havent got to know new parents - & lost contact with old ones - I realise how isolated I am - all the while my DH has been building a network of people he can talk too. what a fool i have been - to think i was the one that had my own house & good job when we met & i gave it all up to look after kids & support DH whilst he set up his business - i will never let my daughter do the same

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Minime85 · 24/01/2014 22:53

I hope you get some sleep. one day at a time. wonderful advice on here already. you will be ok. your dcs will be too. its time and you want it to be 6 months from now so the pain is getting better. I'm 3 months since h left. it does get better.

tell the children's head teacher as soon as you can or head of year if secondary school age. reassure them how much u love them. be as honest as is suitable for their age. Thanks

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