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How do you get the truth out of your OH?

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aiw66 · 24/01/2014 18:46

Hi all. Please can anyone help with some personal thoughts? We've been happily married for the past 21 years (or so I thought!). I've always been open & upfront with my feeling while my OH is kinda reserved and quiet, i just thought thats normal for guys.
I live with spina bifida and its limitations, so I always been honest and asked if thats ok with him. Now 21 years later and 1 DD, i have found massage parlor numbers in his pockets and found out about his other mobile number. After all this, he won't admit to actually doing anything. Keeps on saying that he just thought about it.
Few months earlier I found a text on his mobile to a call girl and he dismissed it as his friend's doing because his friend had borrowed his phone.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time due to trust, love and many years together. I feel like an idiot and I can't decide anything because he won't talk Angry
He makes me feel like i'm ruining the marriage with my assumptions.
Not hearing it from him is killing me Sad
Sorry for the long post.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/01/2014 19:02

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. 'A friend borrowed his phone'.... Hmm Have the courage of your convictions. You know you're right and he knows you're right too.

Quitelikely · 24/01/2014 19:07

You could say ok then if you won't tell me the truth then please leave. I would go as far as suggesting that if he tells you the truth you can work through it together and see whats going wrong. Say you love him and want to help him.

This might work

aiw66 · 24/01/2014 19:51

Thanks for all your input. You're right CogitoErgoSometimes, i thought i was a to the point person too but I can't understand why I have to hear it from him. I think I just don't want to bear the burden of ending things. How come he is mad with me, the nerve Angry. If he did it then why not just admit it, perhaps I would have some shred of respect for him in the end.
TBH, I terrified of the end, feel like I'm being punished but I don't know what for!Confused

Quitelikely, i've tried the ultimatum but no joy, he doesn't want to breakup, I dont get it, I thought it would be what he really wanted.

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aiw66 · 24/01/2014 19:53

Sorry for the typo Blush

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Catherine1932 · 24/01/2014 20:47

OP I totally feel for you. My XH would never admit anything, even when I had his hotel bills and dinner receipts to prove he hadn't been where he said. If he won't tell the truth he can't take responsibility for his behaviour and acknowledge the hurt it's caused you - so you can't forgive him even if you'd wish to. I left in the end after 24 years, it is possible.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/01/2014 07:11

He's mad with you because you've caught him out. Easier to cast blame than to admit failure and, as the PP says, take the responsibility. Sadly, it all points to a seasoned liar rather than a one-off mistake. It's depressing, you're right.

Walkacrossthesand · 25/01/2014 07:26

The thing is, 'hearing it from him' and 'deciding what to do' are 2 separate things. You've found things that point towards behaviour that he didn't want you to find out about - he doesn't want to leave, he wants to carry on doing as he's doing. So, he's not going to admit to anything - he's hoping he can bluff it out and things will settle down. If you decide you're not tolerating this, and make moves towards splitting up, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll start to 'admit' to (eg) one episode only of misdemeanour - the littlest confession that he thinks will let him off the hook.
Sadly, things having unfolded as they have, your decision making now has to be based on the understanding that he is not truthful and is not thinking of you or respecting you at all in any of this. I'm sorry.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 25/01/2014 07:36

Everything Walkacross has said. Of course he doesn't want to leave, he is in a cake and eat it situation. There is plenty of evidence already. If you want to hear the truth from a mans mouth, why not ask the friend (although he may accept a tenner for lying) about the call to the hooker. If you know the friend, call him, ask him, he will deny and you have slightly more concrete proof. I would have enough proof already but it may help you with this. You know in your heart what the truth is, don't be sucked down the undignified route of looking for further proof. The truth will out eventually although it will be forced like blood from a stone, piecemeal and minimised to such a degree you will be made to feel like you stabbed a kitten and youtubed it. Sorry you are dealing with this aiw66.

Dahlen · 25/01/2014 08:34

I'm so sorry you've just discovered this. It must be really painful. I hope you've got friends and family round to give you lots of support. Flowers

I've never been cheated on (to my knowledge), so I could be talking out of my backside and anything I have to say is obviously just an opinion anyway rather than established fact. But I have had the experience of dealing with liars or people who twist reality to their own ends.

I would say that the first step in healing is to realise that you don't need to hear the truth. You have more than enough evidence and your feelings to go on. After 21 years and an obvious desire to want to receive a plausible explanation from him, why on earth wouldn't you trust your instincts? Nothing he has said is remotely plausible. Sad

If he was the sort of person capable of total upfront honesty at this point, he probably wouldn't be the sort of person capable of cheating on you in the first place.

I'm not trying to say that your whole marriage is a sham, because IME he probably does love you and your shared memories of good times are real ones. Like many cheaters, however, he is capable of compartmentalising his behaviour and adopting a selfish and distorted view of reality that allows him to be a loving husband one the one hand and a cheater on the other without there being any sort of conflict in his head.

In his mind it's probably the case that because they are paid sex workers it doesn't count as cheating because there is no emotional involvement. (If he says that BTW you can counter with the fact that treating women as casual sex objects in an industry where women are routinely raped and exploited makes it even worse, not better). He has probably convinced himself that this is just a harmless recreational activity that has no bearing on your relationship and therefore you don't need to know in much the same way as many people keep little 'harmless' Hmm secrets from their partners. He will probably stick to this line to the bitter end because as long as he denies it, that is the truth as far as you're concerned - you don't need to know the truth because it's his perspective that's relevant here in his opinion.

You need to accept that you will probably never get full disclosure unless he realises that full and total honesty is the only way he can possibly salvage things. Right now he feels that blustering his way out, or only admitting to what you already know, is his best bet. That might never change TBH.

Knowing that, how do you feel?

It's easy for me to say because I'm not the one going through it, but in your shoes I would kick him out and tell him not to come back until he credits you with the intelligence and respect to hear the truth so that you can work out a plan to move forwards (even if that's divorce) like grownups. Nothing like loss to focus people's minds.

Hope you feel better soon.

aiw66 · 26/01/2014 16:10

Thanks to everyone Thanks that replied for your insights, I appreciate it Smile.
Still no sign of remorse on his face but we are booked in for marriage counseling, maybe he'll speak, I'll even let him go first so that he can really have a neutral space to speak. He has also agreed to a full std screening.
Not sure if all this will help but at least I hope for some closure on the matter and to know that I've done my best.
The tidal wave of emotions is draining, I've gone from shock, denial, hurt, anger, disgust, rage to pity. Amazing to me how he could have wrecked the only one thing in our lives that everyone was envious of, our relationship Sad.

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