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Please can you either put my mind at ease, or tell me if I should be worrying??

38 replies

AlwaysOverthinkingAgain · 20/01/2014 14:59

Have name changed to protect the (not so) innocent!!

Background info,
Been with my boyfriend nearly a year, and we are really happy. We don't live together.

He lives in a bit of a bachelor type pad in the middle of town. Because of this, when we go out in big groups people that live further out are always told they can stay over at the end of the night if need be, either on floor or sofas. Just a place to crash really.

Month or so ago, I was out with my friends, and he was out with work colleagues. We were texting a bit through the evening and he text me to say he was on his way home, and had "J" with him as she was too drunk to get across town alone, on buses etc. he said he would text when he was in (always has done without fail). "J" is a girl, I have met several times, she often gets pretty drunk and crashes at my BF or someone elses place as its safer than letting her travel a long way home alone.

Anyway, he never text to say he got home. I just presumed he'd crashed out drunk. Absolutely no problem at all in my opinion.

The next day we were out for dinner alone. I ribbed him a bit for not texting to say he was in.....I did it purely in jest, expecting him to say something like "god, I was hammered, just fell straight to sleep". But instead, he lied (pretty obviously) and said his battery died. When I pointed out he does own a charger....he stammered a bit and said he was just too drunk and fell asleep. I asked why his immediate reaction was to lie, he said he panicked and thought I'd be mad. I told him to not be ridiculous, I wouldn't be mad about that, but basically don't fucking lie!!

Anyway, last night, there was a bit of lovey dovey pillow chat.....and he said he had to get something off his chest, and that "J" had come onto him, and that was why he went to lie, he just panicked and thought I'd jump to conclusions. Apparently he told her no....set her up with a duvet on the sofa and went to bed.

He said its been eating at him that he wasn't 100% truthful, doesn't want anyone but me, and that totally nothing happened.

I checked his messages from her....she says thanks for letting me stay, I've just got home, he said no worries, glad you got home okay....and then she says "yep, sorry I was pretty horrendous". Apparently she left when he was still in bed.

I'm pretty sure I believe him, teeny bit uneasy though.

Does it sound legit?

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blackandwhiteswan · 20/01/2014 18:09

Tut

Why do these threads always get catty.

I think I would believe him. But I also agree that you need to keep an eye on that J Angry Personally, I would find it very difficult to keep my mouth shut. I take it he doesn't know you checked his messages?...

maparole · 20/01/2014 18:19

There's nothing flakey about regularly having a skinful when you are that age and in that kind of industry. As you get older, you start to notice the after-effects a bit more and if you have got any sense you slow down Wink.

I reckon the scenario and explanation sound totally reasonable. Personally, I wouldn't even have any great issue with J in the future; if you have been rejected once, you don't generally hanker after making a tit of yourself a second time. Anyway, a young guy, presumably decent-looking, and with a good job, is bound to get women giving it a go.

Always: you sound sorted and so does he. Enjoy!

AlwaysOverthinkingAgain · 20/01/2014 18:27

Blackandwhiteswan-

Not really sure, we pretty much have free access to each others phones, know the passwords and would pick each others phone up to text or use the Internet if the other was out of signal etc. But no, I haven't actually told him.

With regards to her.....I don't know. She strikes as a bit of a silly girl who wants what she hasn't got. Not because she really wants it, but because she hasn't got it. She loses a bit of respect for herself (hooking up with different fellas) and for others (expecting others to deal with her behaviour and sort her out somewhere to say etc) when she's had a drink.

She is young, single, attractive, months after graduating.

I think if I kicked off she'd rather enjoy it. The drama off it. I think displaying a friendly attitude towards her, and a massively "in love" united front with BF might be a better way to go?

Ooooh.....that's passive aggressive and I never feel like that!!

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AlwaysOverthinkingAgain · 20/01/2014 18:30

Thanks maparole!

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brusslesprout · 20/01/2014 18:33

I think it sounds legitimate to me, nothing to worry about. I just wonder where he lives because I'm nosey haha!

AlwaysOverthinkingAgain · 20/01/2014 18:37

Brusselsprout-

The best city in Scotland ;)

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brusslesprout · 20/01/2014 18:39

Thanks Grin

blackandwhiteswan · 20/01/2014 18:43

Well yeah, your way is probably the best way of dealing with it. The most mature and probably most effective. Not sure I'd be able to bite my tongue though, but then maybe I'm not that mature Hmm She may enjoy the initial drama of it, but I doubt she'd enjoy the outcome. Ie, losing your bf as a friend, losing somewhere to crash when she's drunk etc. She actually sounds horrible! Why is he friends with her?

Foodylicious · 20/01/2014 18:49

Like you I would probably feel a bit uneasy, but probably because I would not want to admit of feeling jealous even if it is all in a mixed up, miss-placed kind of way Confused its totally understandable.

I do however think he it telling you the truth (now) and probably initially lied due to embarrassment/miss-placed guilt - maybe he thought "God have I made her (J) think this is what I wanted?"

As for people going out and having a good time, as you have said that is really not the issue! Smile
Hope you have much fun when you go out together Grin

AlwaysOverthinkingAgain · 20/01/2014 18:57

She is a quite a laugh, and quite easy to get on with when sober.

And she is really just more of a colleague than friend. We would socialise with her when out with a big group. But wouldn't go out in a smaller group. We often go out for dinner or something with BFs colleagues that are more proper "friends" as opposed to just people he works with. She is more of someone he just works with.

But yeah, I'm rapidly losing the ability to see too much good in her given recent events! But funnily enough, I don't feel particularly angry, I think less of her morals, but hopefully she will realise she behaved like a twat and take a bit more care to stay a bit more coherent. I think if it was to happen again I'd certainly be raging. A drunkan, stumbling " come on" is one thing, a repeat offence at shagging somebody else's man is quite something else.

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oldzebra · 20/01/2014 20:09

If you have a dh that has the type of "city" job where he is all over the country/sometimes in Europe at meetings, conferences etc. Masses of social events with clients - ie. attending sporting events and "dressy" occasions ie. at the races, lots of black tie dinners etc. - how much info do you have about what hotel he's at etc.? Do you have access to the hotel details or does he just say "I'm in Edinburgh tonight".

Been together 24 years (with an 18 month separation about 14 years ago) he left me for younger colleague. We got back together and not really had any suspicions in all that time.

Just over a year ago I suspected he was developing a crush on someone at work (also married, junior to him and 18 years younger). Also noticed the distancing behaviour and checking out of the marriage, phone never leaving his side.

I confronted him and he said that basically there was no “spark”, he didn’t think there ever had been etc.

I'd put on a lot of weight (3 1/2 stone)/completely stopped taking any care of myself. I said I’d been very depressed and if he was patient I’d get anti depressants and get fit, start taking care of myself and see if there was still no spark. (I have a busy job working from home as well as doing everything to run house, kids (17 and 9) bills etc.

He said he didn’t hold out any hope for our relationship. I found a couple of flirty emails between him and colleague X and walked out and left. I would not be made a mug of again. I should say here, that I don't believe anything has ever happened between him and colleague X. I think she is very much a woman in a man's world and flirts to get what she wants etc. However, my husband falling for this and running around after her etc, I find frankly cringe worthy.

I knew I needed to build a new life for myself and said he was full time parent, i'd be disney mum. I didn't worry about the kids as he is a loving father and would do everything for the kids.

I was gone for two weeks. He took that time off work and said he couldn't believe he'd left me alone to cope with everything and he wanted to make changes etc. For the first time in his life he'd felt the sheer relentless monotony of washing, cleaning, feeding children etc. He said he wanted to get back for the right reasons as we deserved to be a family again. He said if I didn't want that, he could get an au pair etc.

He always denied he had a crush. He said he accepted that maybe he'd been slightly inappropriate by responding to flirty emails as he was married etc and he understood it was disrespectful.

I agreed to come back, but only if he was completely open about passwords etc so that I could build trust up again.

A few months into our new start I found out he’d lied about a trip he was on. He told me colleague X wasn’t going to be there. Turns out he’d actually done her booking for her and was staying for 3 nights at the same hotel. They had meals near the hotel at the end of each working day.

He says he didn’t tell me because he didn’t want me overreacting to something he couldn’t change. His job does involve staying away with various members of the team. They were both working at the same event, and couldn’t eat separately.

I can understand this, however him booking her into a hotel was far too considerate and treating her like a princess – let her book her own bloody rooms. He said yes in future he would do that etc. Anyway that blew my trust away when I saw receipts etc that he’d been eating out with her and booking her into same hotel whilst saying just ran into her occasionally at the event. We spoke about it and he agreed to just say if she was going to be somewhere with him rather than "avoid me reacting" etc. I was very much swayed by his calm reaction and wanting to reassure me. I knew if he had something to hide he typically "storms off" etc.

The affair he'd had 14 years ago was now very much in my mind and I felt waves of insecurity etc. I'd question him where he's been etc and sometimes felt ill from worry. Gradually the trust started to return.
Sometimes hotels are booked by the travel department, but he says he prefers to do it himself as he can check for gym facilities etc. and in the past he would have used laterooms.

Cut to last week, the transparency we spoke about last year seems to have slightly disappeared at some stage. I was thinking things were ok but last week he was away overnight. I've had access to his account on laterooms, but hadn't logged on for about six months as things seemed ok for us.

I tried to log in to laterooms, but he’d changed his password. I mentioned this to him and he said he doesn't really use laterooms much any more and offered a suggestion as his password for laterooms, but it didn't work either.

Being able to know I could log into laterooms to see where he was staying, was part of me building up trust again.

I then realised he wasn’t having his work credit card statements sent to our home address anymore. I asked him and he said he didn’t really use laterooms anymore, didn't know about the credit cards.

He's been bit evasive and I haven't directly asked for new passwords etc. as I know what he's going to say. He feels like he's being checked up on etc. I'm very much if you've got nothing to hide, there's nothing to hide etc. Massive row yesterday.

I can't live without openness etc about where he is (based on previous infidelity). He says that was years ago and he's proved himself since then etc.

What do you think? In my position would you want access to hotel details? Or am I being unreasonable?

oldzebra · 20/01/2014 20:10

really sorry!! meant to start my own thread, which I'll try again at. sorry

Jan45 · 21/01/2014 10:59

Always: I commented on their drinking yes, more so this girl who you said yourself is often pretty drunk. Personally I wouldn't be happy if a girl like this was crashing at my boyfriends and her move on him proves that she's not to be trusted.

I'd be telling my b/f no more staying over and he should be thinking the same, out of respect for you and the fact she clearly fancies him and will probably make another ditch towards him when drunk again, and no doubt he'll be drunk too. Sorry but for me, it's a dodgy situation that could easily get out of hand. You clearly think there's nothing to worry about so good, doesn't mean everyone on here's going to have that view.

Your uneasy for a reason, what happens next time she stays, more uneasiness for you.

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