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Is anyone from the Turning Tavern still around?

17 replies

ijustwantnicehair · 11/01/2014 21:57

I was a lurker for a while. Just wondering if there are any updates or advice? Im feeling a bit down about my own (lack of) opportunity to explore this and could do with some hope or tips!!

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DixieGoesToHollywood · 11/01/2014 22:42

Not the turning tavern, but a fully fledged lesbian over here Grin

lensbabyd · 11/01/2014 22:51

I came out to my husband 1.5 weeks before Xmas and out to my family and his and some friends over the Xmas hols and we are working on an amicable split. Knew I couldn't go on living a straight life.... So turning tavern territory but not on previous threads... Just read them all with great vested interest!

I'm 40,married 9 years (together 18 years) and have 3dc's so is all a bit scary but an unhappy marriage not viable so... Um mm... Onwards....

Would love to hear updates from those who were on the older threads. X

DixieGoesToHollywood · 11/01/2014 22:55

Well I suppose I did have a "turning tavern" experience, be it many years ago! I realised I was gay and had to come out to my then boyfriend (we split up obviously) and everyone else.

I was so nervous about being in a "proper relationship" with a woman, having only been with men before, but I have to say I don't find it that different, apart from there's more softness and I'd say more intimacy.

ijustwantnicehair · 12/01/2014 09:55

Lensbaby - are you in a new relationship or is anyone on the scene for you?
How did your family and husband react?

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CaoNiMa · 12/01/2014 14:35

Hi Taverners. I'm still here!

I'm not sure if we were on the same Turning Tavern threads - I was on III and IV. Nice to meet you, if we haven't "met" here before.

A recap and update from me (it's a bit of an epic) - I came to the thread nearly two years ago now, as I was in a bad relationship with a guy and had fallen in love with my female best friend, M. I'd had brief relationships with women in the past, but nothing quite like the way I felt about M. We met in January 2012 and immediately became close - spending time working together at her apartment (she was a freelance writer, like me), going out for drinks, attending events.

It took me a long time (and a lot of encouragement from the Tavern posters!) for me to tell M how I felt about her, after the breakup with my ex-boyfriend. There were many things standing in my way (or so I thought) including her being older than me, her never having been with a woman before, never having found love in the 20 years since her husband died, and the fact of my not wanting to jeopardise our friendship. However, in July 2012 I finally told her how I felt, and she confessed that she'd felt the same way all along. We began to plan for the future together, and life looked pretty perfect.

We had a week together before she fell sick with pneumonia. After an emergency medivac to HK (we were living in mainland China) she had a brain haemorrhage. It turned out that she had undetected lung cancer that had spread to her brain. She died on August 20th. It was such a shock - I'm still not sure how to put it into words. I punished myself for a long time for having waited so long to tell her how I felt. We could have had 8 months as a couple, not just a week.

The months after she died were a sort of odyssey - visiting her home country to see her family and tell them what had happened, settling into the idea of mourning a person whom I had known for so few months, writing a novel and a poetry collection about it, dealing with the people who refused to believe that we had been in a relationship (since we had only just begun, and she hadn't told anyone in the days before she got sick).

Writing about it now, 18 months later, still feels slightly surreal, even though I've come a long way since then. A lot has happened. M left quite a legacy, and I have been lucky enough to be able to continue the work she was doing for various societies and establishments in the expat community here in China.

Anyway - this has turned into something of an essay. I hope it hasn't created a bad atmosphere in the thread - I just wanted to update you!

Thanks for reading.

pollyblue · 12/01/2014 19:12

Hello hello

I was on the TT threads, pretty much from the beginning I think.....I don't really want to talk about my situation as it is now, but I really wanted to say hi to cao - it's so good to hear from you! I remember your posts well, and worried/wondered about how you were getting on.

I'm still in touch with a couple of others from the TT, and maybe they will pop along and say hello too.

Crushinghard · 12/01/2014 19:23

Hi

I used to be on the TT too. Have name changed back to what I was known as there. Am expecting my divorce from my ex to come through any day now and am living with my lovely girlfriend.
Coming out was way harder than I could have imagined, but I didn't regret any of it. It's the best thing I've done.
Best of luck to those of you starting the journey now, it's so worthwhile and you'll feel like you're really being yourself at last.

ijustwantnicehair · 12/01/2014 21:49

Cao - wow. What an incredibly moving story. Thankyou for sharing.
Crushing - so pleased for you - your last sentence hit hard though as Im not myself and it's a huge strain.

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ijustwantnicehair · 13/01/2014 19:37

Hopeful bump

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Crushinghard · 13/01/2014 19:52

Feel free to PM me if there's anything specific you want to ask.

Loveis · 13/01/2014 21:47

Hello. Cao and Crushing and Polly - good to see some of the original TTers x

CaoNiMa · 15/01/2014 06:53

Hi Loveis! Good to see you again!

HepHep · 15/01/2014 20:02

Hello all,

Can't remember what username I posted under in the TT days, I hada few namechanges around that time.

Anyway, I am from the original threads, numbers 1-3 I think, and I am living with the lovely Crushinghard and still in touch with a few of the original TTers regularly, who have become good friends. I was dating a MtF transwoman at the time of the first threads and just exploring my sexuality and considering whether I might be gay or bi. Inever thought I'd end up dating, let alone living with, a fellow tavern member! Grin I moved halfway up the country recently to be with my GF and the last year has been really positive for me. Although we have been together over a year, we have still only been on 3 actual dates so some child-free time to connect with each other is my wish for 2014. Smile
Lovely to see you all.

Gay40 · 15/01/2014 23:57

I'm still around although I don't post much. I do wonder what happened to people from the original TT threads.

ijustwantnicehair · 26/01/2014 18:18

Crushing Hard - can you tell me a bit more about the coming out elements - you said it was really hard - in what way? Unexpected reponses? Im kind of at this point myself I think

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ijustwantnicehair · 27/01/2014 18:23

Bump.

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Crushinghard · 29/01/2014 19:16

Hi, sorry, only just checked back on this thread.
In what way was it hard? Well, my mum couldn't deal with me breaking up with my ex-husband, plus the gay thing threw her into a real spin. We spent the best part of a year and a half barely talking. We are just starting to find a new normal.
My ex was devastated, but actually nicer than I would have expected anyone to be in his position. It was still really horrible to break his heart though.
The worst was my descent into a kind of 'locked off' place where I couldn't interact properly with my daughter. For a good year and a half she had a pretty shit mum, and over the last 6 months or so things have been getting better and I feel like I now enjoy spending time with her again. I felt terrible about being a crap parent, and yet couldn't seem to shake it.
Recently my gf suggested it could have been a form of depression, and looking back I think she may be right. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Having said all that, it would have been worse if I'd stayed in a dead marriage.

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