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I don't know if I love my DH

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Reastie · 09/01/2014 15:41

I know that's a weird thing to say. I've been wondering over recent months if I actually love DH anymore. Over the past 2 years at least I'd say most months I think about divorce and whether I genuinely love him but not in an I'm going to actually do it way, just in a it goes through my mind as I'm not sure how the relationship is going way.

We have been married nearly 4 years and together about 8/9 years. I'm 32. We have a 2 yo DD. We are both the first partner each other has ever had so nothing to compare it to.

He has anger management issues which upset me (nothing physical towards me but his behaviour bothers me when it does happen. I have posted on here previously about it) but these outbursts are rare. He has IMO a rude way of talking in his tone - it often sounds like he's talking to me like a piece of dirt (he doesn't mean it to come out like this) and doesn't have much sympathy about stuff in general.

Having said that, he is generally wonderful with our DD. When he's in a good mood (he's an old grump alot of the time) he can be good company, but we don't really talk a huge amount as he isn't a big talker. He rarely asks me how my day has been, or remembered appointments/anything going on with me to ask about how it went etc. He's quite almost disabled socially (maybe I'm being harsh...). He was really lovely and caring towards me when we first went out, but now it can be hard to get much physical contact from it unless I initiate it or he wants sex.

He has always said to me that I would leave him rather than the other way around as he thinks I may want more than he is (he's been upfront with this since the beginning actually) and seems happy with things. He doesn't like/want to talk about emotional stuff ever. We also both come from very different backgrounds (me = middle class and him working class) which has lead to an interesting balance of ideas/expectations from life since DD. I find PIL very difficult and this is a pressure on the relationship.

He is fabulous in that he baths DD every evening and looks after her so I can get a bath. He helps put her to bed and gets up with her in the night. He also often gets up with her at week ends so I can have a lie in. I feel in this paragraph that I'm a lazy old woman! He is laid back in general whereas I am uptight and get anxious easily and need down time or I break emotionally.

He works just over 4 days a week and me just under 3. I do all the cooking and 90% of the cleaning/chores/organising of everything etc.

Just now, we went to have a walk in the garden and I pointed out my Great Grandfathers bench we have in the garden might be getting damaged due to lots of rainfall and no guttering on the shed (it's a work in progress). He got disproportionately annoyed and rude and said it felt like I was personally attacking him for not moving it. Now, this is the type of thing HE gets annoyed with ME about getting upset by (ie reading between the lines and taking things as a personal insult when they aren't). Went really huffy and sweary (he knows I hate swearing and does it to upset me when in these moods). I just went back inside and left him to it outside as I don't want to spend time with someone in a mood like that. It upset me though, the way he spoke to me over something so little that I hadn't even meant like how he interpreted, and the fact that he gets annoyed and angry with me when I do such things yet he does it himself. Also when he comes in he will expect everything to be normal, will refuse to talk about it and get annoyed if I do.

I've been thinking since. Do I actually love him. I read a thread about people saying they know their DHs love them because they do this and that and think about this or that and my DH does none of these things. It feels like we are 2 people who are comfortable together and have a child together and can work well together and have sex together but do I love him. I don't know. I would certainly miss an adult in the house to help bring up DD if he didn't live with us. And I would miss his head massages and having someone to talk to when I need to at home. I would miss not having to get up in the night with DD. These are the things I think about when I think of life without him living with us yet the initial thoughts don't include me missing his character or personality or him. Is this normal for a marriage?

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Reastie · 09/01/2014 18:14

Cailin that's so lovely. I want that!

Cognito I was independent and happy adult until I met him, however, there was always part of me when single that was sad and wanted to have a partner.

LE it's not so much that DH is rude, it's the tone that he speaks to me can sound rude. Gah that sounds pathetic!

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 09/01/2014 18:17

A partner at any price? If what he says sounds rude, makes you feel upset, means you shut up and don't mention it again ..... then it's beyond rude.

CailinDana · 09/01/2014 18:20

I think I will Hansie, I don't tell him enough how much I appreciate him.

Reastie I honestly don't think it's too much to hope for.

tiredoftrains · 09/01/2014 18:23

It depends how bad the rudeness is though surely, some people do just have 'that' tone of voice that can make a fairly innocuous comment sound and feel very rude/hurtful - again, I often feel the same about dh,that he is putting me down with comments and get very upset, but when I speak to him about it later I think things do just come out worse than he means.

I'm not in a great place at the moment with dh but I think toddlers do put a big strain on relationships, I'm so tired all the time that i snap too and probably take things to heart more than I should!

I wonder if you're in a similar situation as you mention night wakings still etc - they don't help with tempers all round

Twinklestein · 09/01/2014 18:31

I don't see your situation as either being with him or being 'bitter & lonely'.

I see it as either being with him, or with someone a lot nicer & more interesting, someone you actually love.

fedupandfifty · 09/01/2014 18:33

I sympathise. My own relationship is like this. Trouble is, I don't have anything to compare it with either, as I was quite young when I met him.

It's very tempting to think that things could be different with someone else. I'm wondering , like the above poster, if you are perhaps looking too hard for "happiness" in this relationship and missing what is good about it. Relationships do not have to be perfect to work. Young kids will inevitably strain some relationships as well.

You mention that your backgrounds are different. Without getting bogged down in class issues, I think some men ( and perhaps women too) from certain backgrounds find "emotion" and speaking about feelings difficult. It does not mean, however, that these people are unfeeling, necessarily.

Have you tried making a list of pros and cons?

Badvoc · 09/01/2014 18:34

I know many people who got to a certain age (varies) and suddenly settled down with the next person that came along.
Without exception they were miserable and are in the process of/have divorced.
You have nothing to compare your dh to, and that rings alarm bells to me.
I only know dh is right for me and that I am lucky because of my experiences beforehand....
Do you think your dh is happy? He doesn't sound it.

Reastie · 09/01/2014 18:37

No, it's not either with DH or bitter and lonely. It's just that's one possible outcome. I am rubbish at meeting men (hence why I've never been with anyone other than DH). DH does his best and is overall a good person. Tbh I don't know if I'm unhappy enough to leave him as I'm cosy where I am. I just maintain that I don't know if I 'love' him but maybe it's a 7 year itch type of thing....the attraction and new love has worn down, he has bad habits that get on my nerves..... I do kinda think if someone else 'better suited' came along I can imagine leaving DH for a better relationship, which surely isn't the kind of thing you should think if you're happily married?!

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Reastie · 09/01/2014 18:39

YY, maybe I am looking too hard for happiness and putting too much pressure on myself and DH that things should be perfect when things in reality never are.

Badvoc I think DH is happy. He never acts like he isn't. I think he finds me quite complex as a person (as I'm not as clear cut as he is with what he says and thinks and emotions) but I think he's happy.

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Badvoc · 09/01/2014 18:41

Hmmm...I don't know.
Sometimes (pmt driven usually) I fantasise about leaving dh and having no responsibilities again...travelling, being carefree...is that the sort of thing you mean?
I would live in a period house, with beautiful furniture, none of his crap stuff all over the place....

Reastie · 09/01/2014 18:44

Erm, Badvoc I think about how DH would move back to live in his house we rent out so DD and I could stay here. How I would have to look after DD on my own and how logistically my work would fit in with it. I think about when DH would look after DD and visiting access. Then I think about PILs and what a nightmare that would be with access and them having her especially with DH not on my side and that usually stops the possibility of the whole thing as the thought of that stress is enough to keep me happy where I am! Let's not dwell on that though.

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Twinklestein · 09/01/2014 18:49

I do kinda think if someone else 'better suited' came along I can imagine leaving DH for a better relationship, which surely isn't the kind of thing you should think if you're happily married?!

It's not you're right. I spend time imagining how we could ditch work and travel the world, but I don't spend time thinking about legging it if someone better came along.

If you don't know if you love him then you don't.

Badvoc · 09/01/2014 18:49

Wow.
You really have planned it haven't you? :(
I'm not sure that level of thought/planning about leaving is healthy op, sorry :(
"That stress is enough to Keep me happy where I am"
For some reasons that sentance has made me very sad for you...you deserve more than that x

Reastie · 09/01/2014 18:51
Sad
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Twinklestein · 09/01/2014 19:00

I think a plan is entirely healthy & inevitable in the circumstances.

I would be planning my escape too.

Lizzabadger · 09/01/2014 19:20

Is there someone else you're interested in?

AngelinaK · 09/01/2014 19:40

Hi, I didnt read the whole thread but after just few posts I felt like replying to u... I sympathise with a lot of stuff u have said... My DP is somehow similar to yours... He doesnt like taking about emotions, not a big talker at all, doesnt remember mine or dd appointments or anything related to my life. He doesnt really have friends - the 2 friends he's got and I like them very much - I invite them with families to our house, occasionally. I never really go out with friends because if I'm home very late his upset even though its me who will suffer the lack of sleep. In general he's ok, in general he 's good dad. Just like u I wonder if I expect too much from this relationship. His my first proper partner. Been together 10 years and went through many arguments. Rough times. I dont know if I would miss him a lot...
I sometimes think that I deserve more... Maybe :(

Do u reconsider leaving him ?

EllieInTheRoom · 09/01/2014 19:48

I'm sorry OP but reading your latest comments, I think you are past the stage of wondering if you love him.

Do you think the problem is that you know you don't love him? But when you think about splitting it all seems so stressful you wonder, no hope, that you do love him really deep down?

Think back to your earlier comments about retirement with him. This man everyday for the next 50 years? Really?

Reastie · 09/01/2014 19:50

Nope lizza not at all.

angelina sounds like we might be in a way a similar situ. I do in my head sometimes think about leaving him, but never with conviction or certainty. Everytime we have a bad patch I think 'why am I with him?', but then things get a bit better and I wonder if this is just part of the rocky road of marriage to be expected. It's hard to judge when you have nothing to compare isn't it.

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Reastie · 09/01/2014 19:52

ellie yes, that's it exactly I think.

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CinnamonPorridge · 09/01/2014 20:05

Reastie, the thing is, if you are happy and in a loving relationship you don't feel the need to have anything to compare.

Back2Two · 09/01/2014 20:08

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Bearleigh · 09/01/2014 20:19

Reastie I think it sounds like a relationship that needs some work but it is difficult when you have little children. My husband & I got on so badly when our son was under 2 that if we hadn't had him we would have split up - but then we wouldn't have been like that if we hadn't got the extra stresses associated with having a little one.

I understand about the sounding horrid but not meaning it, as I do that. I have no idea I sound sharp, as it doesn't sound like to me. I wonder if he might be a bit depressed.

But I have to say I think that when you have children you should both make a big effort with a relationship, and that includes recognising that the heady feelings when you first meet and fall in love don't last. You haven't said if you have had any couples counselling, but that might help: it certainly helped us. His anger needs attention and maybe he could deal with that through individual therapy which might help with the possible depression. I would say that I do love my husband, and I like him most of the time, but sometimes he gets on my nerves. I think that's normal in a relationship where you see a lot of each other and you shouldn't have to be on best behaviours in a marriage.

EllieInTheRoom · 09/01/2014 20:19

I think what back2two has said is right for a lot of people, but there are lots of couples out there who have a blip and question their future and even their love.

Ultimately, some will decide they do want to be with that person and there IS enough there and with a lot of work they can get back on track.

But without respect, care and affection there is no relationship or love. They are basic foundations and without them it all falls down.

Chuckthefucklebrothers · 09/01/2014 20:45

I feel your pain OP, I've been wondering the same about my DH. I do have other relationships (& a previous marriage) to compare to though. My exH was abusive & unfaithful but there was mad passion in that relationship. I'm as sure as I can be that DH would never hit me or cheat on me but there's never been any passion, more like good mates who used to occasionally sleep together. Sometimes the effort of pretending that everything is ok is overwhelming but it seems wildly selfish to leave him when he's not done anything terrible (we have dcs). I'm sorry I don't have any answers, I just wanted you to know that other people understand.