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Just found out some bad stuff about father of my expected baby

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RomansMummyxx · 08/01/2014 14:44

Ok so I'm new on this site and came here as I really have no one to talk to about this and have no idea what to do.

I have a 2 1/2 yr old son from a past marriage where my ex was very abusive & violent to me, we split when my son was 6 months old and hes never been in contact since. Shortly after my son's 1st birthday I met my current partner, he has 2 children from a previous relationship (one of which isn't actually his but hes brought her up from 3 yrs old so classes her as his own) Anyway, my little boy has grown to think of him as a dad and we've had a great relationship, well we did for a yr, then in june he suddenly split with me saying he simply wanted to be single, no real reason to it. But I was so heartbroken and confused as things had been going great and as far as I was concerned we were really happy together.

Well after 5/6 wks apart I found out I was pregnant which came as a massive surprise as I was on the pill and never missed it. He didn't want more children and I was unsure if I would like more in the future, but certainly wasn't hoping to get pregnant any time soon. So when I phoned him and said I needed to talk, his immediate response was "you're not pregnant are you?" And then followed about a month of him trying to persuade me to have an abortion saying he really did not want another child and wasn't going to get back with me regardless. He also started accusing me or deliberately getting pregnant to "keep him". Well anyway, I wasn't going to get rid of my baby no matter what he said, and over time he came round to the idea. We started spending time together and then got back in to a relationship late October.

Things have been going great. Although we don't live together, we have been spending so much time together when hes not at work and been like a proper little family. Only last week we went pram shopping and he started decorating the nursery. But last Thursday evening, we were looking online at baby things on his phone. He clicked on the search bar and as often happens, it comes up with things u have previously searched for online. So I was horrified when he clicked and I saw the terms "raped" and "abused" come up. I instantly felt sick and numb to the core. Now I know he watches porn sometimes and I don't really have a problem with that but this was something else.

I didn't know what to say to him so I just sat there and ignored it like pretending I hadn't noticed. But for the rest of the night I couldn't bring myself to look at him, until we were in bed sleeping, well he was and I was just lying there awake staring at him thinking what the ??? The reason this gets to me so bad is because as I said, my ex husband abused me for years and raped me on 2 occasions, all of which my partner knows about and has been very comforting and supportive about. So then I have all these things going round in my head, like is this just some porn fetish or real life? would he do this to me? I'd always felt safe with him but now I don't at all.

Well I decided not to say anything for now, 1 because I didn't know how I would even bring this up and 2 because im due to give birth in 8 wks and don't think I can handle all of this right now, so I sort of felt like maybe I would just stay quiet for now and deal with this some other time. But there was something else I saw on his phone that same time, a website, and I initially just assumed it was porn. However it started going thru my head "what if its something else, a sex site, or something similar" So on Monday while he was working and my son was at nursery I came online and typed it in and honestly I was just so devastated when it came up as a webcam site.

I felt that awful cold, sick feeling go right through my body, like being punched hard in the stomach. He had been going on a site where u basically masturbate or whatever on camera to others who are doing the same. You can talk to them too, and message people. I just felt distraught. I never ever imagined he would do something like that. In my opinion, that is cheating. Porn is porn, u just watch, but to interact with people sexually, well whether its in reality or online, its something u should only do with your partner, and he had done it with God only knows how many people online, so I felt so betrayed and cheated and heartbroken.

That evening I arranged for my mum to have my son for a bit and told him we needed to talk. I really didn't know how to bring this up, but when I told him I had seen something on his phone, he was asking what and I just sat there not knowing how to say it. Then suddenly he said "im guessing it was messages from (this girl)" Well, this particular girl was someone who we both knew and who had flirted with him openly infront of my face and also on facebook several times. And I mean extreme flirting, like we were out once and saw her and she was talking to him and then said she had sexy new knickers on, would he like to see them as she started bending over in front of him! He knew how much it bothered me and promised me he wouldn't speak to her privately or anything & would tell me if she ever started chatting to him. But clearly he hadn't.

So this was all something new to me too! He said all she messaged was happy new yr and asking how long till the baby was due etc, but when I asked him to show me he said he had deleted the messages. Now he NEVER deletes his messages, so this made me furious. And not only that, he said she messaged him in the early hours of new yr, while I was asleep but he stayed up and he was very drunk. So this was just something new to deal with too, feeling like what would they have said to each other. I feel so humiliated by it, even if it was an innocent convo, why delete it? why not tell me about it? His answer, because he didn't want me to kick off!

Anyway, after that I told him everything I had seen. He said the rape thing was just a one off and he was just in the mood for something a bit different. Im not sure if I believe that but I told him how awful it felt to me as I had been through that myself and he knew about it. I told him I was scared around him now too. And as for the cams, well he said he had been going on that site long before he met me, like that made it ok. So I discovered he had gone on it throughout our whole relationship, he said he didn't keep count of how many times, which makes me think quite often then! I told him I felt so cheated and betrayed and although at first he was saying its no different to watching porn, when I asked him how he would feel if I was doing that with other men, he quickly said he would go mad, so I think he kind of saw how I felt it was being unfaithful. He also swore he had never messaged anyone, swapped numbers or talked about meeting up. But that doesn't make it ok.

After about 4 hours of talking/arguing/crying I asked him to leave, said I needed some time to think and haven't seen him since. The thing is, I know If I wasn't pregnant I would've ended it. The trust has gone now, completely. Last night he was messaging me and I just found myself asking "where are u? who are u with? are u messaging anyone?" etc etc and I HATE being like that, but cant help myself now. Hes been really apologetic in the txts we have sent each other. He still says he doesn't think its that bad though but he says hes really truly sorry for causing me so much pain and really hopes I can forgive him, and it wont happen again etc etc. My ex husband cheated a lot and so ive found it hard to trust someone anyway, but I pretty much did trust him, not 100% no, but a lot, I certainly didn't question him all the time or things like that, even though sometimes I wanted to.

So I just don't know what to do. I am so confused and heartbroken and it hurts so so bad. I know if I end it, hes still gonna be around a lot, as we need to buy things still, decorate, midwife appointments, and not forgetting the birth and once shes here! So in many ways I feel like I should just carry on for now at least and see how it goes. I also want so badly for my children to have a proper family. My little boy is constantly asking where "daddy" is, and I keep saying hes at work. But I know how upset he will be if we aren't together any more. And I want my daughter to have a chance at having a normal family. I really do not know what to do. I know many people would say just end it etc but its just not that simple.

Sorry its been a massive essay, just like I said I have no one I can talk to about this, my ex isolated me from all my friends over the years and not close to my family either. I'd just really appreciate any advice or anyone to talk to about this as I feel so alone and im trying so hard to hold it together for my childrens sake, but when my sons at nursery or asleep im just in bits. Cant sleep, lost my appetite and having to force things down for the babys sake. So if anyone has actually read all this then im greatful of any advice or just anything really.

OP posts:
RhondaJean · 08/01/2014 14:50

i know if I wasn't pregnant I would have ended it

I realise you feel vulnerable and guilty at the moment but this is all you need to know. You owe it to both of your children not to let your standards slip.

I am so sorry but it doesn't mean he can't be part of your child's life, or that you won't be a great mother and go on to much better things in your life.

absentmindeddooooodles · 08/01/2014 14:58

Im so sorry you are going through this. What a horrid sitiation. I dont think I can offer any amazing advice...I have been in a similar situation but with no children involved. What I will say though....

You know what hes done is wrong. Searching to gwt offon "rape" aswell as kbowing what you have bewn through. This is not normal. The only man that I uave ever known to do that is the one that repeatedly raped me.

As far as messages and cam stuff......you see it as cheating, therefore it is.

You dont deserve this at all. I know you feel it is more important to keep the family all together....but you need to weigh everuthing up. If you stay with him your kids will be exposed to any atmosphere between you two....arguments, lack of trurst and a man thay thinks its ok to treat women like dirt. Is that the better option?

Someone wise will be along soon but in tue meantime im here to listen and habe a hand to hold if you need it x

changeofplanshuh · 08/01/2014 15:07

Did he explain the "abused" part?

DangerMoose · 08/01/2014 15:11

He searched for rape and abuse to get off on. Do you really want this man within 200 miles of you and your children?

I'm sorry, OP. What a horrible situation to be in. But it will be okay without him.

Only1scoop · 08/01/2014 15:15

Was the 'abuse' search the same as the 'rape' search ....that he fancied something 'different'?

Only1scoop · 08/01/2014 15:18

You said your mum had previously been supportive are you able to confide in her?
What an awful situation for you.

HenriettaPie · 08/01/2014 15:20

Gosh OP, I'm sure you are finding this so difficult. However, do you really want this man- who admits he gets off on rape and abuse- around you or your previous children?

You say you badly want a 'happy family' but you will not have it with this man. You can only have a happy family with love and trust- you cannot trust this man! Please don't feel like you have to stay with him for the sake of your children- your children need their mummy to be happy and safe.

Buzzardbird · 08/01/2014 15:35

It's an awful shock OP. What are you going to do?

"Just porn" is a little worrying. You really should set your bar higher. You need to get rid of him obviously. You wouldn't want him around children hopefully?

EirikurNoromaour · 08/01/2014 16:02

He deliberately searched for rape porn. How can you get past that?

ISeeYouShiverWithAntici · 08/01/2014 16:09

Just in the mood for something a bit different.
rape?
something a bit different?
so dismissive, cold and revolting. Thats actually alarming.

Nothing about this man sounds good, or even safe.
The alarm bells are so loud here that they could puncture your eardrum. Listen to them.

TalkativeJim · 08/01/2014 16:09

Leave him. Really, 100% leave him NOW.

You know one of the easiest ways to tell if you've got a decent man as opposed to a twat? With the decent ones, this kind of stuff just doesn't happen.

Your daughter won't have 'a chance at a happy family' with this guy. Neither will you or your son. Blokes that do stuff like this... webcams, dodgy messages on phones - they are the ones who make shitty partners, shitty dads, the ones who can't or won't do the loyalty, the sharing, the supporting. That's just the way it is! If you find you've bagged one by mistake - the only good thing to do is get rid as soon as you find out. People don't, though. They don't want to believe that the guy they've loved and made plans with is one of the bad ones... and so it's a case of 'yes but... yes but... yes but... He's promised this/that/the earth.'

It never works. People don't change. You KNOW inside that this one will cheat. He'll let you do the work while he whines for the right to play. He won't be there sharing night feeds. If he thinks it's ok to mess around with people now (yes, you know there were dodgy messages and probably more at NY), why would that change when you have even less time to boost his ego when the baby comes?

You're lucky to have found out now. Please, please have the courage to move on! You'd finish it if you weren't pregnant? If that's the case, you should be DOUBLY eager to finish it if you are! - because there's even more at stake.

Move on. He can still be a good dad if he wants to be - which, by the way, ISN'T something you can control. So - please don't think that it's your responsibility to open up and give more than you want to in the run up to the birth... it WON'T make a difference to whether he steps up. So - midwife appointments: no, you don't have to have him there AT ALL, and the birth: if you find yourself not on the best terms when the baby comes, you absolutely shouldn't feel that you should have him there.

Good luck.

savemefromrickets · 08/01/2014 16:59

Oh you poor thing. I can totally understand why you don't want to rock the boat at this time, but I don't see that it'll be easier to do it once the baby is here. He's not been honest with you and I think it's unforgivable and as for searching for abuse or rape when he knows what you have been through...well, words fail me.

You, your son and the baby all deserve so much more.

kitsmummy · 08/01/2014 18:06

You poor thing. Run like the wind and don't look back. Really, you can be all your children need, they do not need someone sick like this in their lives.

mcmoonfucker · 08/01/2014 18:19

Does he have any redeeming features?

Seriously OP, if you don't dump you are choosing to spend your life with a guy who gets off on rape. Might be you one day when he fancies something 'different' .

TheArticFunky · 08/01/2014 18:27

If you make a clean break now you can avoid all the hassle and heartbreak that will inevitably come at a later date.

tracypenisbeaker · 08/01/2014 18:29

You deserve so, so much better. Please don't lose sight of that. If your girl grew up and told you what is happening to you was happening to her, would your advice be 'stick it out for the kids?'

QuintessentialShadows · 08/01/2014 18:35

You have done really well for yourself and your children, getting this man out of your life. Keep strong!

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 08/01/2014 18:37

i want so badly for my children to have a proper family

With a guy who uses webcams, deletes msgs from his 'flirty friend' and gets off on women being raped because it's "different"?

Your daughter has no chance of having a normal family with him. I'm sorry.

haveyourselfashandy · 08/01/2014 19:09

You need to keep this man away from your son and daughter otherwise they have no chance of a happy upbringing.
The "rape and "abuse" search would have been enough for me.How can you ever look at him properly again?
I don't want to come across as harsh op but please don't put you or your children through this any longer.Life can be happy! Believe me I've been through some shit in my life and the only person who could change my outlook was me.I hope you can too for all your sakes

Hissy · 08/01/2014 19:42

Is there a TalkativeJim fanclub?

You rock! Great post!

romansmummy you and your children don't deserve to put up with a man as awful as this guy is. Please do what you know is right.

If you need RL support, one of us will be nearby. Just ask?

annielouisa · 08/01/2014 19:42

I know you want your proper little family but this man is dangerous. I was sucked in by a person like this many years ago and consequences for me and my DD were terrible.

The damage done to me and my DD took decades to come through. Do not sacrifice yourself or your DC for this man because you and they are worth so much more.

On a lighter note my DH is my soul mate and we now have the life I dreamed of.

ImperialBlether · 08/01/2014 20:56

He wanted something different but he wasn't looking at men being raped, was he?

He sounds a really awful man. I would leave him for a lot less than all this.

MamaPingu · 08/01/2014 21:10

Taking away the rape and abuse I am currently on the other side of the same situation.

I found out DP was messaging someone and deleted their messages too and I believed him when he said "I always delete my messages". Such bullshit.
I was also pregnant at the time and decided to stay for the easy option because it would have caused trouble. Then after DS was born I discovered he'd messaged two ex's aswell not saying anything really bad but why message two ex's? Like someone else said in one of my threads he was "fishing".

Please listen to what I am saying and leave while you still can. I feel like I am stuck with DP now as I seem to have forgiven his actions by staying with him.
When he is here we have a lovely time, I am so happy and we enjoy each others company.
When he leaves for work I am depressed and I'm not too fussed if he doesn't come back. The lack of trust is also destroying my confidence and starting to make me eye up other men which is not like me at all.

I wish I'd have ran a mile a long time ago. And that is WITHOUT the rape and abuse.
I'm sorry to say this but if he gets off on rape, what if he thinks it'd be good to rape you? Or a child?
I know the child part is a little out of nowhere but if he likes rape who knows what else he's in to? People who rape look for vulnerable victims and that can be children.

Keep yourself and your children happy and safe. Ditch him and enjoy a wonderful life with your babies

Don't make the mistake I did and stay and get very depressed with a young baby because of DP

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