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How can I help my friend?

11 replies

HandbagCrazy · 04/01/2014 11:45

Hi

I dont post often but I've read enough threads on here to know plenty of you can help me.

I have a friend who is having a really hard time and I dont know how to help. She had a violent, abusive husband who she left after almost 20 years. Her exh still contacts her to give her abuse now, 7 years later.

After she left him, she met someone else. As far is I know, this was an intense relationship that moved very fast but ended very gradually because of outside factors (him - one of his parents became very ill and he had to help care for them, her - her children needed extra help after the issues with exh and she wanted to put them first). This relationship sort of limped on under the extra pressure until about a year ago when they called it a day but are still in touch.

Anyway, she seemed ok with this, and in the two years i've known her, she has been so strong and she's an amazing, lovely woman.

At the beginning of decemeber, her youngest child (a young adult), told her he wanted to kill himself. He blames her for not leaving exh sooner, told her she was weak for staying so long and that he 'has issues now' that are all her fault.
Her eldest child has tried to reassure her that this isnt the case. He understands why it took so long to leave and is being brilliant. But she is like a broken woman now. She keeps saying that she let her children down and she doesnt trust her own judgement anymore. She keeps looking back at her relationships and saying how stupid she is.

Honestly, I dont know how to help. I had an abusive ex when i was a teenager but nothing like this, and she's older than me (im almost the same age as her eldest child). I dont have the experience to know what she needs. She doesnt confide this in the people that have known her longer as she thinks alot of them judge her for not leaving soon (several people advised her to leave and she was too scared to, and others still think she was being dramatic about him as exh is so charming).

At the moment we (me and another friend) have told her she can vent as much as she needs to to us and we will listen. I have reassured her that its understandable to have stayed with exh (i have actually had to make him leave when he came to her house once and he is a very scary man) and tried to help her talk through things about her family. I have also suggested counselling for her and the children and she said she will think about it.

What else can I do? She is so low at the moment and the confidence she had built up is gone and she deserves to be ok, she's one of the nicest people I know.

PS, sorry its so long!

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HandbagCrazy · 04/01/2014 14:50

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Walkacrossthesand · 04/01/2014 15:05

How nasty of her young adult son to say he has issues that are all her fault...it wasn't a walk in the park for her, and there's loads of information 'out there' (and on here) about how difficult it can be to leave an abusive relationship. Would she come and post on here do you think?

tinyturtletim · 04/01/2014 15:08

You sound like such a lovely friend.

How close are you to the child? Could you perhaps take them for pizza to get to the bottom of things?

It sounds to me they are having an emotional time and using his mum as a scapegoat

CogitoErgoSometimes · 04/01/2014 15:19

I think the young adult DS needs help and if he has MH issues his DM should point him in the direction of medical professionals.... which I hope she's already doing. If he's being manipulative & abusive that would be unsurprising given that his father modeled that behaviour to him as he was growing up. She probably needs some professional counselling herself. Victims of abuse often suffer for a long long time after the events themselves. Guilt, self-reproach, feelings of letting everyone down etc. The Freedom Programme could be worth looking into.

MinkBernardLundy · 04/01/2014 15:30

Yy to freedom programme and also just contacting WA ro talk things through.

Has the DS seen anyone for counselling? WA May be able to arrange this or to suggest someone.

He is not being nasty per se. children who grow up in abusive households do suffer. they take a long time to recover. however, he needs to realise- his father has sole responsibility for the abuse. The abuser is responsible not the victim.

Your friend needs to keep repeating this to herself and if he will.listen to her son.
He has been blaming her and no doubt himself because that is what he will have heard his father do and because that is also a prevalent view in society.

She must not take the blame.

MinkBernardLundy · 04/01/2014 15:35

And also keep going what you are doingSmile. Be a good friend.

The EA thread might help to if she wants to read, post or lurk.

Lweji · 04/01/2014 15:46

It seems to be a common reaction by the children, although at the time she probably thought they were happy and was afraid of hurting them by leaving.
Still, what he does with what happened is up to him and we can't blame our parents for our choices.
He should get counselling asap and work on himself instead of blaming others.
It might also be good for him to understand the dynamics of abusive relationships so that he understands what his mother went through. Has she actually spoken to him about what happened then, her feelings and fears?

HandbagCrazy · 04/01/2014 15:47

Thank you! She said she would think about counselling but I honestly think she feels like she deserves to feel this bad.

I don't think her son is being horrible deliberately. His girlfriend told him he has a nasty streak when they were arguing and he blamed his mum (my friend).

I said about coming on here but she won't. I will approach her about the freedom programme though. I've read it so many times on here but just didn't think.

I don't know her youngest well enough to discuss this with him but he's really surprised me by blaming her. He hates his father, refused all contact as a child and doesn't see him now.

I just want her to understand how brave she was to leave, and her exh is to blame for the abuse. I will continue to tell her that

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LyndaCartersBigPants · 04/01/2014 17:28

Agree with everyone here, could you suggest that your friend comes onto mn for some support. There are so many women on here who have come through abusive relationships and we know how hard it can be to make that leap. Her son is obviously hurt, but he (& she) needs to understand that she wasn't in a fit state to make big decisions about her life because of her ex controlling her and eroding her self confidence.

I'm sure if she posts about her relationship here she will get some great support and some advice on how to deal with her son.

LyndaCartersBigPants · 04/01/2014 17:29

Ah sorry, just seen that you suggested MN. I do think it would help. It's like counselling but with hundreds of counsellor who all have personal experience!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 04/01/2014 17:42

If his dad had a nasty streak he could easily have the same thing and the g/f is right. Behaviour can be taught but it's highly debatable how big an influence we have on the core personality of our DCs.

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