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What type of manipulative technique is this?

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Bewilderedotcom · 29/12/2013 09:51

I can't give too much info as I don't want to be identified and have NC.

My marriage is total shit and if it wasn't for financial consideration and children I would have left years ago.

I know H is controlling and manipulative and uses rages and house smashing up (minimal physical violence too) that has left me under confident and anxious about being on my own, which is of course what it's designed to do.

Over the past year I have seen for the first time how he operates and am now able just to mentally dismiss his endless accusations. I know when he accused me of something I didn't do or say or mean, I would tell him and myself I didn't do it, but I would say to myself 'I didn't do what he said , but I must have done something'. Of course lots of self doubt and internal confusion until I realised this was just manipulation.

He also says things like 'you said something to upset me because you know I am anxious about an appointment/job issue/outing tomorrow!' Therefore it's your fault I am screaming abuse at you.

What I want to know is how that works? What type of manipulation is that called? How do I combat it? It always hits me like a ton of bricks because I feel guilty for adding to his stress even though I'd forgotten about appointments and so on and there was no deliberate intention. This happens with every outburst. There's always something behind 'my starting the argument' which is just an odd word or look out of place

Don't worry I have an exit plan but it will be up to a year before it's in place. I just need help to understand and combat this 'you say one thing but mean another' shit. I've read the book. Which is why I'm moving on at last. The police will be called if he lays a finger on me again or smashes the house up more than the odd broken door handle. (He likes to stand their smashing the door open and closed repeatedly) Sad

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Bewilderedotcom · 29/12/2013 17:35

He said something to me recently which explained his behaviour over the past 18 years. Something I have struggled to understand and always thinking if I could understand it I can make it better.

Quote. I come from a traditional household. The man went out to work, his money put food on the table, he kept the family going. He was the head of the household and everybody else knew their place! Shock

Needless to say we did not get married in the 1930s and feminism and working women were the norm when we got married, although his father was a typical example of the above.

It was realising that when I married I believed we were equal partners in our future whereas he thought of me as an inferior who needed to be taught 'her place' ended even the wish to have some kind of amicable relationship for the sake of the nearly grown up DC.

I've tried silence in the past and it just winds him up even more if he is in that mood. I have read the Lundy book and realised all the buttons he likes to press, 'your mother was controlling and you learned this from her. Your dad did as he pleased and had a woman on the side!" (Contradictory yes!).

Yes yes to the 2 am thing. Last summer I just did the silence and the broken record technique to say he could say what he liked but it didn't make it true. He didn't get me to join in and defend myself (what he calls arguing, because I am so argumentative of course!) and because he wasn't getting the reaction and I wasn't taken in he smashed holes in the wall and scrawled black marker pen all over the landing walls and doors. I spent all Saturday repairing it so that DD didn't see it as she's worried enough about my situation.

He doesn't do it in front of the DC except once last year 2 days before my DB s funeral when he kicked off in front of DS screaming at me I was being obstructive because I couldn't tell him what time we needed to leave, but it was 'up to him' because of the traffic. I thought it was the 'right' answer. Nothing physical though or broken doors, just screaming. Went on my own in the end.

I thought I was a strong independent person but I realise now I've let him get away with this for the sake of the DCs . Difficult to pack and leave when you are 12 weeks pg and having a threatened miscarriage. Nevertheless I was managing to have an affair with a total stranger. I think now I am weak after all. He screams abuse about me down the phone to his mother and brother and they know they will lose him if they defend me. 2 more people too weak to stand up to him.

Everyone's story here, especially Annie is just the same as my experience, and I too read Saint Lundy far too late. H does virtually everything in the book.

He has backed off from personal insults, family insults and other button pressing tactics because I just blank him and won't get drawn in. I just want something to say when he accuses me of having ulterior motives for 'starting an argument' which can be something like banging on the window because he's left his keys in the lock and will leave me standing in the cold for 5 minutes. I banged on the window startling him, not because I was locked out but because ( according to him) I know he has some important work to complete. Maybe ' I had no idea you had work to do/ an appointment tomorrow' then silence? God why is the need to deflect untrue accusations so strong in me?

Sorry for everyone else who went through this and is still there. Sad

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Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 29/12/2013 17:47

There's good advice here OP. Please don't spend any more of your energy trying to work him out, it's like swotting for an exam you can never pass! Walk away, head held up. You tried. He will never change. good luck!

Bewilderedotcom · 29/12/2013 18:21

Thank you. I've come to realise that over the last year but for every manipulation I spot he can think of another one.

It's like coming out of a fog.

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HissymasJumper · 29/12/2013 18:38

You are coming out of the fog, and one day you'll be in the clear.

I don't know how you'll stay putting up with this for another year, is there any way you could bring that forward?

It's excruciating to have to live like this, and it creates a hideous environment for dc.

You will win this war, freedom always wins! :)

Find one truth that means that his behaviour is a dealbreaker. Find a list of things you'll be able to do when he's not sucking every last drop of joy from your life.

Focus on this and never ever forget it, it will keep you motivated.

Post as often as you need to.

You really can (and must) do this! :)

Anniegetyourgun · 29/12/2013 19:11

Something I have struggled to understand and always thinking if I could understand it I can make it better.

But you realise now you can't make it better, don't you? He can only make it better if he wants to, and he doesn't want to. This is what Lundy Bancroft meant with the parable of the boy who grew up believing he owned a field that was in fact public land. Your H grew up thinking he would become the head of a household and be issued with an obedient sidekick plus mandatory adoring offspring. Finding out women (and children) are real live human beings with their own agency, desires, needs and rights just does not compute. Some men are capable of, eventually, identifying and repudiating the deceit; others never will; whilst a depressingly large number know it is a deceit but still don't want to give it up. By explaining to you about his upbringing it seems your H half-gets the picture, but is prepared to fight all the harder to maintain the head of household BS because he secretly knows it isn't really his right. It's just what he can carve out for himself. Very prehistoric! Do you really want to carry on living with a caveman? At least their wall doodles were artistic.

Bewilderedotcom · 29/12/2013 20:51

In a calmer moment I will simply tell him linking two unrelated things so that he can give me an 'ulterior motive' or 'hidden agenda' is just trying to manipulate me into accepting his warped view of the world and I'm not buying into it anymore.

When he starts spouting the usual BS I will remind him of this, remind him I cant prove a negative so there is no point my trying, then remain silent or leave the room/house.

I need strategies like this to clear the brain fog he has created.

If I can get out sooner I will but I need to hide my savings as I will need them to put towards a house (he's already said he will do the same). Redecorate the house for selling, let DD finish her course.

I really dont think H is capable of changing. His brain is set in concrete. He only gets the picture of his upbringing insofar as he wants to replicate it. Not because it was traditional but because it gives him ultimate freedom to be as selfish as he likes.

No idea why some men are like him. His older brother is the same and his younger brother the complete opposite and lovely.

What gets me is I know H is deeply unhappy but his blinkered view of me is set in stone. I intend to stop him making me unhappy in the future Smile

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AnandaTimeIn · 29/12/2013 21:11

Gaslight is on Youtube. In installments. Great old-style black and white film with Charles Boyer and Ingrid Bergman.

Bewilderedotcom · 30/12/2013 12:50

Thanks!

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