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Struggling with DS reminding me of my abusive exH

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PerkyPenguin · 25/12/2013 22:50

I feel guilty writing this or admitting my feelings to anyone.
My exH was abusive to me and my DC sadly, both emotionally and physically. I was too afraid to leave, even tried to desperately save the marriage when it was falling apart. This was over 10 years ago now.
But finally, his very long affair became known to me and eventually he left (unannounced and leaving me with barely any money). Contact with the children went on but once I pulled myself together and realised the abuse they were experiencing, after a court trial contact was stopped. Both DC have struggled with this in their own ways, they saw counsellors and got a lot of help. But 10 years on they have both been at uni and doing very well. Most importantly they, on the whole, happy.

The last few months I have noticed DS' behaviour, his mannerisms and personality is exactly the same as his fathers. It is very difficult to see but I know I should see him as his own person and try not to associate it with the awful things my ex did and way he behaved.
The big difficulty is DS is starting to act like his father in almost everything he does (but the more negative traits come out more during special occasions). He has a very strange (and nasty) attitude toward woman. This has not come from me or DD, and he has not been around his father for 10 years.
He is incredibly sexist, even towards his sister. I have tried both gently and firmly numerous times to explain how wrong his behaviour is and how I will not accept it or allow him to treat woman under my roof the way he does. He is 23 and my influence is sadly fading.
It is other little things like avoiding helping whatsoever around the house and being short or awkward with me. He makes no effort to keep in touch with his sister when she is at uni despite her regularly making the effort with him and desperately reaching out to him (he lives at home as uni is local). He can be rude when we have visitors and be short with them.

Today things escalated, we had a lovely day and I tried to ignore DS' behaviour although it was horrendous. He barely thanked me for his presents and made it clear he disliked some, he never jumped up or offered to help clear away or make food etc. After lunch he disappeared to his bedroom, when I went up he was on his laptop, and he grunted when I asked him if he would come and help dry the dishes and then play a board game with everyone. I asked if he was OK, he said Yes as if I was mad for asking and annoying him. I was embarrassed and so angry but due to it being xmas day just left him and held in my rage. All this behaviour is incredibly similar to the things my exH would do and the way he would speak to me/act.
I really struggled, and so did DD, I found her crying this evening about him. She just said he has suddenly become this horrible person in the last year or two and she wishes the old brother would come back. Holidays in the summer have become painful and so difficult. He is not the DS I brought him up to be and tried so hard to instill good values in. I flick between trying desperately not to loose him and to help him change his behaviour to wondering what an earth I have done wrong and really struggling to deal with him being around me. I have spoken to him numerous times about it (I have NOT mentioned to him the link to his father's behaviour which makes it even more difficult for me)
I am at my wits end and feeling incredibly upset about it.

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scallopsrgreat · 26/12/2013 13:53

Echo I don't care and I am sure that the OP and her DD don't care whether this is typical grumpy man's behaviour. It is abusive and unpleasant and he should not be behaving like that. And we should not be minimising it. Is he this unpleasant to his friends? Probably not. This learned behaviour by him reinforced by society or his peers.

OP you need to look after your DD and do what's best for her. He is the one in the wrong and unwilling to do anything about it or apparently self-reflect. And you know what, your DD is learning that her feelings don't matter. Because she is seeing him behave like this with no consequences. And that kind of lesson will be even more damaging for her.

PerkyPenguin · 26/12/2013 14:20

Thanks again. I really appreciate the replies, it is so useful to get others' perspectives and advice.
scallops I can see echo is trying to bring perspective and help me not associate the behaviour with my ex. But also you are right, too much behaviour can be categorised and excused as 'man behaviour' when it is downright unacceptable and unpleasant.
I am thinking of how to bring it up with DS. I am thinking that bringing the links to his fathers behaviour will be unhelpful. Any opinions on this?

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whitesugar · 26/12/2013 15:11

Perky I went through this with my then 13 year old son who went from being a lovely kind boy to an angry boy with a violent temper. He could be really arrogant. My XH, his dad, was the same and I feared that he had inherited his father's traits. I asked him over and over if everything was ok and he would say everything was fine. His sister and I lived in fear of his moods and he assaulted me one day and hit her. To cut a long story short we found out he was being bullied badly at school. It only came out almost by accident. He told me he was too embarrassed to tell me as he was ashamed it was happening. We sorted it all out and he went back to being the person he was. Luckily enough 2 years later he is still in good form. He has the usual teenage mood swings but nothing like he was before.

I learned a lot from that experience and now when he is angry I tell him how much he is loved and how we will always be there for him. Believe me we are not the Waltons but this approach has made things better. There are still blow-ups but I no longer think he is a violent thug like his father. It never enters my head now. He is himself and not his father. I took him to see a counsellor at the time which I think helped a bit. I hope your son can come through this. Studying medicine must be extremely hard and he is no doubt under a lot of pressure for someone so young. Maybe he is struggling about whether medicine is for him and the stress is causing him to become bad tempered. His arrogance could be his way of pretending to be big, even to himself. Men are notoriously bad as opening up about their problems. I hope you can work it out.

whitsernam · 26/12/2013 15:21

OP this is a situation I have with one of my own sons, and I would not point out how his behaviour mirrors his father's behaviour. Rather, I would point out how it looks and feels to me, and to your DD... and that it is not acceptable for him to behave this way toward you two and live in your home. End of. And be ready to act on it.

Actually I'm facing just this over the holidays and have already given my son an ultimatum. I see it as protecting myself, and nothing else. His reaction will be his reaction, but I am not willing to be mistreated any longer.

Also, depression is not a valid excuse for treating others badly. Not every depressed person does this at all... how we treat others is a choice.

PerkyPenguin · 26/12/2013 17:16

Thanks white and whitserman great to hear I am not alone.
DS has been wonderfully polite, caring and pleasant today. It really is like having two sons.
I know things cannot be left though and will work up to speaking to him.

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dozeydoris · 26/12/2013 18:03

I would think he will probably have to face some very stressful situations in the future as a doctor and some counseling now might open up understanding of his emotions that will help then. So I would encourage him towards counselling which also might help him work out why he is not making friends.

whitsernam · 27/12/2013 01:00

PP I know just what you mean. My son is like two people: he has more good and bad in him than anyone I've ever met! But I do think he'd be happier if he understood himself more and if he treated those around him better, and I have to protect myself.

Counselling would be great, if you get the right counsellor, but my son got someone he didn't click with, and still believes counselling is worthless. Good luck. I do not envy you with this.

blueemerald · 27/12/2013 03:45

I don't have children so please feel free to ignore me but have you tried discussing his negative behaviour on one of his 'good' days? Perhaps you'd get more response then.

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