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So, today I will be phoning al-anon. Give me strength (and hold my hand please)

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helpmehelpmybrother · 16/12/2013 09:34

I am sorry this could be quite long, I just really need somewhere to offload.
I started a thread in Chat over the weekend about my brother, but was a bit vague as was posting from my phone and hopping and off the thread, was advised I may be better off posting here, so, here goes.
My brother was an alcoholic. He would constantly drink heavily and would often fly into rages when he was drunk.
I remember being 11, it was a few days from Christmas, he had been out drinking, my dad was out with his brother (they lived quite far apart and this became a bit of a tradition), me and my mum were watching a film and he came in, drunk, my mum told him to go to bed and sleep it off and he flew into a rage, yelled and screamed at her, and ended up in the kitchen with him holding a knife to her, she pushed him away (in self defense) and he (being drunk), lost control and fell quite badly. He then told everyone my mum had attacked him.
He would also get drunk, fall over/hit a lamppost/whatever and then call an ambulance to take him to hospital claiming he had been attacked.
A little over ten years ago he was told that if he doesn't stop drinking he would die, he was drinking himself to death. This really frightened him and he gave up. It has left him with some mental health issues, he is very much like an over sized child. He adores my DS and his other nieces and nephews.
He will often sneer at my brothers if they go to the pub ("what you got to drink for? Its so pathetic seeing people drinking to have fun, wouldnt catch me in a pub"), and although he is generally very loving he can be quite nasty.
However, the nastiness of his mood swings is getting worse, for example, my mum had had her carpets cleaned and so asked him to put his slippers on before he went into the living room as they were still a bit damp. He completely ignored her and then yelled at her right in her face when she asked why he'd ignored her.
He has also started displaying some worrying signs, such as talking to himself and he has started completely fabricating stuff that he is absolutely convinced happened but we all know is a complete lie.
He has also been seen buying beer in the local shop (now, this may not mean he is drinking again as he is such a people pleaser he could potentially be buying it for his flatmates to get them to like him - he does this, randomly)
I live about 150 miles away and feel totally helpless. I can barely sleep with worry, as I know the options are quite limited, either he is drinking again and he will die, or his mental health has deteriorated due to long term drinking, to this point, (the examples of his behaviour I have given are quite mild), that I am terrified he may be institutionalised as he cannot be trusted if he is medicated, ti take his medicine or look after himself, my father is dead and my mother is almost 60.
I am currently at work (in the office alone for most of today, and just cant concentrate), I will be phoning al-anon (as advised on the other thread) in my lunch today (I would do it at my desk, however our office has the kitchen at the back, so even though my colleagues arent here, its pretty traffic heavy).
Sorry for the long ramble I just need to offload somewhere. I just feel desperate, I have to do something, I have to. I cannot just let him drink himself to death. I feel so sad and helpless, and I cannot stop crying, but at the same time I feel so angry at him.

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helpmehelpmybrother · 18/12/2013 10:08

Well, I called. They suggested I go to a meeting next Tuesday, so I am going to try it and see what happens.
Thank you.

I know I have to step back and try and deal with one thing at a time. I just cant stop thinking about it. I just keep thinking, if he is drinking again, I have to go NC. I cannot let my DS see/feel the things I did when I was growing up, I just cant, but then I think if he is drinking again and he doesn't get help, he will die, and I just cant cope with that, I just really can't.

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Littlegiraffe · 18/12/2013 10:21

I'm so sorry you're going through this OP. I've been where you are, but with my my Mum. The combination of mental health problems along with alcohol abuse is an absolute nightmare for the family of the person. I don't 100% agree with everyone saying give up. I did give up on my Mum (well, I say give up. I thought the shock of me

Littlegiraffe · 18/12/2013 10:28

Sorry! Bloody phone!
I thought the shock of me withdrawing support would be enough to make her see she had to take control and get herself sorted.
I was wrong. She killed herself.
I bitterly regret it and am having counselling now.
I'm not trying to scare you, but if YOU don't feel ready to give up, then don't. I have to live with this guilt every day and it can be crippling.
I know deep down I couldn't fix my mum but I think I could've have made more of an effort to try I see her in those last few months within my DD being affected (I was trying to protect her from seeing any more horrible incidents).
Eventually you may have withdraw but I think you need to come to that conclusion yourself. Your brother may have been self mediating with alcohol all these years. There may be Underlying mental health issue. So, yes, I think at least seeking advice about how you could help him would be good. Could you call a mental health charity/helpline?
Sending you strength.

procrastinatingagain · 18/12/2013 10:32

He might be suffering from a kind of dementia which is caused by alcohol abuse, rather than being mentally ill. Information here

Littlegiraffe · 18/12/2013 10:42

Maybe procrastinate. But it's not really possible for a family member to diagnose, so trying to get him to see a mental health professional would be the best course of action. I think.

Even the mental health and addiction teams wee squabbling over who was primarily responsible for seeing my mum when she died. One of the last phone messages my Dad got (after yet another trip to A&E and calls to the crisis team) was from an addictions worker who said "they (mental health) won't touch her" (because she was drinking again)

Sometimes you need to fight hard even once in contact with the 'right' people.

procrastinatingagain · 18/12/2013 10:53

Yes, sorry I didn't mean to suggest that they shouldn't get in touch with the GP. Just read about your mum, so sorry. It wasn't your fault though. I'll stop now because I have no personal experience of this, just the symptoms rang a bell.

TheGonnagle · 18/12/2013 10:59

Well done for making the call.
Just to reiterate what a previous poster said:
You cannot cure him
You did not cause this
You cannot control this.

Take measures to protect your family and yourself. I don't know how it was achieved but my dm and her sister had my uncle sectioned when his alcoholism became so huge a problem it threatened to implode our lives. I hope you can move forward without torturing yourself. Remember the three points above, they're important.

Littlegiraffe · 18/12/2013 11:03

Thanks procrastinate. I'm sure the OP appreciates everyone's suggestions. But, having been where she is, I can identify with the emotional conflict she'll be going through just now. It's hell on earth.

helpmehelpmybrother · 18/12/2013 11:08

It is littlegiraffe. I am so sorry to hear about your mum.
Every time I think about it I feel physically sick with worry. I know some would say try not to think about it, and it helps when DS is at home and not at nursery as he is super excited about Christmas, and so I can relax and let myself get excited too (its so easy to get caught up in his little world Smile ), but when I am alone, it just creeps in there.

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Sunnysummer · 18/12/2013 11:14

What atlas said. Whether or not you you subscribe to the 12 step idea or not, one big thing that al anon helped teach me was that we cannot fix our loved ones. It doesn't mean we can't love them and support them, but it isn't our fault, you can't force anything, and in the meantime it sounds like you're doing a great job, especially with supporting your poor mum. It's the hardest thing and Thanks for you, this is an awful time.

stepmooster · 18/12/2013 11:33

OP, my mum drank herself to death, and she would swear blind she was tee-total. I echo everyone who has said you cannot fix this.

Alcoholism and mental health issues often go hand-in-hand. Please do not get your hopes up that social services, their GP or whoever will be able to fix this either. I have spent many heart-breaking hours on the phone to all of them but unless the alcoholic wants to help themselves they can do nothing.

Even the police tried to get my mother sectioned, it never happened.

Please take steps to protect your family from his behaviour. My mother tried to stab my sister, she fabircated stories to the police about my father, it was an awful time. There is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. You all deserve to not live in fear of what he could do when drunk.

I had to go on to anti-depressants because dealing with my mother was making me suicidal, I remember our alcohol support worker telling me that it was ok to stop trying to fix my mother. In fact by not letting her hit rock bottom I was preventing her from recovering. Some people have to lose everything in order for them to sort themselves out. And unfortunately my mother never had it in her to get better.

I took a long time for me to come to terms with it all. I have huge sympathies for the families of alcoholics, all the attention and focus is on the poor alcoholic when often the loved ones are also depressed and feeling helpless themselves.

Thanks
Littlegiraffe · 18/12/2013 11:35

Thank goodness for your little DS. A ray of sunshine in an otherwise dark place.
It's so hard, and all consuming. No one can tell you what to do. All I know is that I now feel I did the wrong thing, and have to live with the consequences.
But other posters are right. You can't fix him. He has to want to help himself. You can gather as much information as possible, and give him all the details of who he can approach for help. But, ultimately, he has to take the first step.

My DD saw far too much Hmm Sounds like you did too when you were young. At least it is within your control to stop your DS suffering in the same way. (Wish I could figure out how to do flowers!!)

helpmehelpmybrother · 18/12/2013 11:51

stepmooster, I am so sorry to hear about your mum.
My brother will also swear blind that he is teetotal...When one of my other brothers recently went out on hos works christmas do he was telling us he got a bit blethered and felt like crap (we were at his house for tea and he looked like shit).
My (alcoholic) brother, then gives him the talk....."I dont know why you have to drink, its stupid, you wouldnt catch me in a pub...." and to be honest he is really quite nasty with it.
But all evidence is now starting to point to him drinking again.

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stepmooster · 18/12/2013 12:04

hi helpmehelpmybrother, the behaviour you describe is exactly what my mother was like. In fact I never saw her actually drink alcohol it was all in secret, I think he knows he has a problem but can't/won't do anything about it.

It does get easier I promise. If you are finding it hard to cope, there is absolutely no shame in going to your GP and asking for some advice and guidance.

Now I am out of the other side, I can tell you that all of my family were massively relieved when we all went no contact with my mother. Alcoholics suck every last bit of your emotional energy and focus. I agree with Littlegiraffe let your little boy be your light right now.

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