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Should I just grab the kids and leave? Leave them all?

18 replies

2by2Hurrah · 08/12/2013 02:13

Apologies in advance, as this is likely to be epic in length – I’ll try to keep it short!

I’ll start by saying that I’ve not had the best luck in life. Much of that is my own doing (I’m a bloody idiot, as I’ll explain in a minute), however, I’ve also been dealt a fairly shitty hand of cards in life and my childhood was traumatic to say the least. I’m not completely unlucky though – I have two truly wonderful kids, who are the absolute light of my life. A son of 11 and a daughter of a year and a half…

Long story short, is that I am homeless and jobless and living with my in-laws at the moment. I used to do temp work for my FIL and my contract ended in June. My partner was made redundant in July and, much to our huge surprise, he hasn’t found any work yet. (And to be fair to him, he has tried VERY hard, knocking out applications every day and attending 20 interviews in this time). We have no idea why he’s not getting anywhere as he interviews well and has a good CV. My CV is patchy and childcare issues mean I’m more unlikely to find work, although I have something possibly lined up for January, if only my FIL would act as my reference (something he’s stalling on which may well fuck up my chances). Anyway, we have lost our jobs and now our home, Christmas is coming up and we’ve got fuck all to give the kids. It’s been a pretty miserable year.

I can’t thank my in-laws enough for taking us in at this time and putting up with us. It’s pretty cramped, as me, DP and the DC’s are all living/sleeping/etc out of 1-and-a-half rooms, but hey – it’s a roof over our heads. MIL is lovely, kind and helpful (if a little interfering) but she is put upon by FIL, who can at times be a drunken, chauvinistic pig. I do worry about staying here long term, as although they’ve made us welcome so far, familiarity breeds contempt and all that.

As for DP, well I’m afraid there are huge problems with us. After our DD was born last year, he had a huge breakdown for the first 9 months of her life. It was truly horrendous – he was furiously abusive (verbally, physically, financially – you name it) and he made my life a living hell. Threatening to kill me or get the kids removed, constant nasty name-calling and several violent episodes. He literally did NOTHING to help with the baby as well. I was so vulnerable, with a newborn baby and it was such a bloody shock, as he’d always been so wonderful with my DS (from a previous relationship) that I didn’t see it coming.

Amazingly, my DS has seen none of the abuse from my DP, as P always timed his outbursts (or let himself go) whenever my DS was staying at his dad’s for the night. My DS adores him. Something clicked in DP in the New Year and he has been nothing short of fantastic with the baby ever since then, really trying hard to make up for it all. But despite not usually being a grudge holder, I don’t think I can ever forgive him for what went on before. I’ve lost all respect and love for him and our current situation doesn’t help. I am civil and friendly to him though.

On top of everything else, I am also somewhat of a family scapegoat. I was sexually abused and raped by my older cousin from between the ages of 8 and 14. I first told a friend about the abuse when I was 10 and she told her mum, who then told my mum and auntie (and several other mums at the school gate). I don’t think my mum and especially my aunt have ever forgiven me for unwittingly “embarrassing” them like that. Unfortunately for me, said cousin is the blue-eyed golden boy, pfb in the family, so I never stood a chance. It was all hushed up. Until one night, during a sleep over, (yes, you heard right – wtf were they thinking?!), I heard him abusing my little sister, aged about 9 or 10 at the time. I asked her about it the next day and she admitted he was doing it to her too, but begged me not to tell mum. I told my mum anyway and she told me to keep quiet, that she would talk to the rest of the family about it. She said the same to my sis. Except we’ve subsequently found out she never told a soul.

My cousin continued to abuse me, leading to him taking my virginity via a nasty rape, the day before my 14th birthday. This time I told someone in Secondary school and I think professionals were called, saying we should all be thrown into counselling immediately. We were. Unfortunately, I had turned into a rebellious teenager by this point (I wonder why), truanting, being VERY promiscuous with boys and getting nicked for shoplifting. So the counselling sessions became about what a shit I was being. Didn’t really help.

I left school with no quals and ended up getting pregnant with my DS at 17 (had him at 18). I’ve spent a too much time on and off of benefits, in and out of dead end temp jobs and I’ve never amounted to a God Damn Thing. I bloody love my kids so much though – I am mostly a good mum. Except for the whole being so screwed up that I’m probably about to wreck their life thing…

I’ve put up with years of nasty, snide comments from family, (particularly my aunt), who has excluded me and tried to persuade other family members what a useless scrap of shit I am. I truly am her scapegoat. Unfortunately for her, I am a nice, decent person and my extended relatives always seem so surprised at how friendly I am when I bump into them. I have a weird, superficial relationship with my cowardly mother, who kowtows to her younger sister. My sister has recently brought up her abuse to my aunt and uncle after finding out my mum did nothing. I had hoped that she would gain some closure and that they would treat her with respect about this. But I’ve just found out that she and I have been uninvited from my nan’s 80th b’day party coming up. I shouldn’t be surprised. Why I’ve kept looking for their approval, I don’t know…

So after a catalogue of bad luck and poor decisions on my part, it looks like I have ended up in yet another shitty situation and this time, my beautiful babies are in the middle. I want them to be happy and not have my past following them the way it has always followed me. I’m 30 next May – what the hell do I do to sort myself out?! If anyone has any answers, I love to know. Thanks for reading and sorry for length (and self-pity)!

OP posts:
LoopyLobster · 08/12/2013 02:31

Oh goodness :(

This is what I think I would do in your position:

  1. Leave your DP, with the kids. Speak to WA. Make a plan. He is abusive, horribly so. You will be housed eventually, with the children.
  1. Report the abuse that your cousin perpetrated to the police. See if your sister will too.
educatingarti · 08/12/2013 02:31

No particular advice, but wanted you to know there was someone around. I don't think you are being self pitying. You have had some horrible experiences and are in a difficult place right now. I wonder if you could get some counselling from somewhere to try and work through things and decide what you really want. Maybe try your GP?

LoopyLobster · 08/12/2013 02:33

Oh, and 3. Find a way of doing a degree or some serious studying. You will find working difficult with childcare, so it might make sense to make the most of the opportunity to study. There must be some organisation that will fund you.

LoopyLobster · 08/12/2013 02:33

Just to be clear, 1 = TAKE the kids, not leave them

Turnipsandsproutswithtinselon · 08/12/2013 02:41

There are some amazing people with great knowledge that post on this board, who will be able to give you detailed and specific advice.

In the meantime have a hug from me- I am so sorry you have had such a horrific time of it, and be gentle on yourself. I'm sure you are an amazing Mum, and you deserve to be safe with your children.

EirikurNoromaour · 08/12/2013 08:21

Please don't blame 9 months of serious abuse on a breakdown. And please don't accept that something 'clicked' and he's a changed man. Nothing 'clicks' with abusers, they just go through the nice/nasty cycle and at the moment he's in nice.

Lweji · 08/12/2013 08:39

Did his epiphany coincide with you wanting to leave him? Hmm

I wonder why he can't find a job. Did something happen on his previous job that he's not telling you about? Are his referencess less than good?

I do think you should leave, yes. The next time he'll feel in control of you he's very likely to revert to type.
And he was in control of his nasty behaviour as he timed it with your eldest being away. Hmm Has he ever done it in front of anyone else?

How long have you been together?

paxtecum · 08/12/2013 08:51

OP: You sound anything but self pitying.
How old was your cousin when he was abusing you?

Although you are very grateful to your PILs, your FIL seems to be an arse.
Why hasn't he written you a reference?
Why has your contract with him finished? Has he really not got any work for you, or does he not want to give you the work.

Your Mum is rubbish. I would want to kill if anyone who harmed my DCs or DGC like that.

Report the abuse to the police.

Best wishes for a better future.

RedLondonBus · 08/12/2013 09:00

Was his breakdown really a breakdown? Medical care taken etc?

CeQueLEnfer · 08/12/2013 09:08

You sound like a younger version of myself, I really identified with much of what you said.

I think you should leave. Are you able to get help from the council? Or Women's Aid? Sorry, I don't live in the UK so don't know what help is available.

CeQueLEnfer · 08/12/2013 09:09

... and I think you and your sister should go to the police.

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 08/12/2013 09:12

You sound very balanced and not at all self pitying. Please do everything you can to get away from these toxic people in your life. Call WA and make a plan. Your children will thank you for it long term. Once a bit settled, report the abuse. I think you need to do that to resolve the issues with your childhood. Your DM! what a piece of work she is!

hollyisalovelyname · 08/12/2013 09:17

Go to the police with your sister. As soon as possible.
Do not leave your children.
Your mother abandoned you and your sister to your fate (s)
You are amazing to get through what you have got through.

Mrsuncertainty · 08/12/2013 09:30

Sorry to hear how awful everything has been.
Violent men very very rarely change! Rally your strength & find a friend you can confide in in RL.

Call Women's aid... Sort benefits.

Leave DH and his toxic family.

Report the abuse and rape.

Get some counselling for everything?

Good luck OP, you deserve some. X

Mrsuncertainty · 08/12/2013 09:31

Ps you don't sound self-pitying, you sound like you're getting stronger & angrier! :)

TheProvincialLady · 08/12/2013 09:42

Leave your partner and take the kids. No one who is having a genuine breakdown can time or manage their outbursts or episodes. Your partner chose to abuse you Shen your son is not around so that he could still appear perfect in his eyes.

You are living with two abusive men, your partner and his father. You deserve better and so do your children.

I would advise you and your sister to go to the police about your cousin, who is very likely still a rapist and needs to be brought to justice.

Ask your GP for help and counselling. You have been through such a lot and yet still manage to be a good mother. That is amazing. You must be very strong and resilient even if you don't know it or feel it. Get out and get help and life will have a lot more to offer you than if you stay in this current set up waiting to be abused again. Good luck.

wallypops · 08/12/2013 10:04

Please, please, please go to the police about the rape, because he is still doing it to someone now. I was raped when I was very young and when I talked to a professional about it privately as an adult this is what I was told and it gave me the impetus to do something about it. Try not to think about the consequences of doing it, but of the consequences of not doing it.

Imagine either of your children coming to you with the information that your mother had, and not doing anything apart from being embarrassed and getting them to shut up about it. Personally it blows me away that anyone might think it was OK to do nothing.

But first, find really good professional help - a psychotherapist or psychiatrist to support you when you do this, because it is going to be very hard. This will help you become a stronger person, because you are going to have to leave your current situation. I agree with what others have said about leopards not changing their spots. The nasty violent shit is still in there, and he'll be back. Having the professional support already in place is going to be invaluable.

Find out about getting some qualifications - do your A'levels or some kind of training - sorry that is all rather a long way behind me and I live abroad so I'm not sure what would be best but it can't be difficult to find out. Does the job centre give careers advice?

Then find out about your rights, see a lawyer etc and make a plan for leaving. In fact make two plans - the emergency one and the long term one. If he ever touches you violently again, you go to the police immediately. You will not regret it, and it will help to give you some power.

Break it down into bite size portions. Find good support in RL and sound off here, and use MN as a sort of dairy of what happens when, so we can all cheer you on.

Shnickyshnackers · 08/12/2013 10:14

You do not sounds self pittying in the least. You sound pretty strong actually. I hope with some help from MN you can start to decide what to do next.

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