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update after leaving DV / and support and handholding still needed

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alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 01:08

I haven't written under Relationships for a while but I was the woman who left domestic abuse this summer... whose alcoholic ex was still hassling her friends and family..and police weren't interested... oh and my ex had scared off a new bloke.. and I had to put my pet into boarding etc, had storage probs, was scared of losing friends, was unhappy/bitter about ex's enablers etc(if that rings any bells) re old posts.
I've not updated for a while as been very up and down and oversensitive/ emotional and delayed trauma (post traumatic stress is what my doctor says). I was a bit wary of getting any potential 'harsh' replies on here as I just couldn't handle it although I've had great support in past from here (thank you to all who replied before and it meant a lot)
Now some months have passed I realise I was extremely vulnerable when that guy got involved with me, brief though it was...and it was so soon after my leaving the drunk.. i was still in a daze... I think my ex did me a favour by getting rid of him.. hideous though it was at the time... this 2nd guy showed his true colours and really isn't much better than my ex is. So i dodged a bullet there..
I have stayed single ,and intend to, I'm still staying at my parents, and i'm now finally looking for somewhere to live.. now i've been told what i'm entitled to. I'm hopefully about to start two lots of voluntary work with a view to getting back into paid work before too long.. Next week I start hynotherapy for the nightmares and trauma/ panic attacks and flashbacks. I also go to Al Anon family group 3-4 times a week, which really helps. I still see counseller at the womans centre too. I try and keep busy and see old friends and i've made new ones..
I was also very lucky to be able to visit an old friend abroad for a week and that did me the world of good. I've been on a real downer the last few weeks as I hate this time of year and felt very homesick and a real sense of loss all over again . I've since talked myself out of much of that.. that there is nothing to miss and I have a new life to build. I won't allow myself to wallow anymore as i've wasted so much of this year.. though i am grieving,.. Basically I have good days and bad days. I have to make one last visit to my old flat to get rest of my stuff (the sentimental stuff) and that should be it. Contact with my ex has been very limited though he can still get through on landline here if he rings from another number (he is only blocked from his own landline). This only happened once, last week, but he was pretty unpleasant and it did set me back for a few days.
A few months ago I was upset I'd lost friends because of my ex. He had been sending nasty messages or making calls to many, to get at me.... however, these friends 'came back' because they eventually learnt who / what he really is and that I'm not responsible for it...he is my EX.. i ran away for good reason... also that all his suicide threats were attention seeking and he's cried wolf too many times. So more people are ignoring him now and not passing messages on to me or mentioning him.. I'm grateful for that, it's a big turnaround. Life slowly becoming more peaceful with less madness and drama.
Apart from.. one friend. My best friend. She's been my best friend for 23 years. Back in August (i think i've mentioned this before) my ex kept ringing her mobile all night and also that of her DP's. He left some nasty voicemails. I think he only ever did this on the one occasion though I don't know 100% but i'm sure i'd have heard if he'd done it again, At the time she reminded me that i'd already lost many friends.. and that I'd definitely lose two more (ie her and her DP) if I didnt stop my ex contacting her. I said I was so sorry he ws ringing her but what could i do.. and only she could report him.. not me. She said I had to talk to the police, she did not want to, it was my business to. I did as didn't want to lose her, and they didnt want to know and told me to ignore it all and to tell her to ignore it and for me to move on as all this keeps holding me back and making me upset and angry all over again. Basically the police said it was all veiled threats and gossip (they've read his emails to me etc) and nothing they can do unless he physically hurts me or others. I can't get injunction unless physical and they said it's just 'words on a screen' (or words on voicemail) and even with injunction that only concerns me, and not him contacting others.
I felt sorry for my friend but also felt she was being unfair and kicking me when i was down (I was having pretty much a breakdown back then) .Also i knew if i talked to him he'd do it worse. I backed off from her as just felt too overwhelmed especially as it was so soon after walking out on my entire life. She was asking for the impossible. Soon after that i started at Al Anon who let me see i was not responsible in any way, not even when i was with him. The illness controls him. .he cannot control and certainly no one else can. Also they say to detach and let him on his own path as it were.. that it's not my business (even when I was with him). And that i'm powerless over alcohol and my life became unmanageable (this is part of the Twelve Steps programme) They said i didnt cause it, can't control it or cure it. And it's now about my Recovery and not his (he refuses help anyway..) My friend would probably say this is just a get out clause and another weak excuse. She despises weakness, basically. So what is she doing? Classic victim blaming? But she was affected, even if it was just that one night.(and a nasty message he left her a year ago) I felt so bad , of course none of this is her fault..but there was nothing i could do. Since she made this ultimatum i have not been in touch because what could i say?? that i can do nothing?? that would just make her angry. She would say i'm as weak as him. I'm not. .i ran away from abuse leaving everything. That took courage.. to do it and stick to it.. (it was the second time i'd left this year.. and absolutely 100% is for good now..i dont want to ever talk to him again.. hopefully never see him again either) Me cutting her out doesnt mean i dont miss her or care. I just had nothing to say as i was so exhausted in every way. HOw can i say to her that i'd solve the impossible. How can i make false promises as I'm scared of losing her and her DP (they were both good friends of mine but especially her ,,,) So i just kept my head down.
Today i see she's defriended me on Facebook. To me that makes it final. She knows the hell i've been through and not once asked how i was. Before august she'd also cut me out for months cos of him. the only reason we'd got back in touch was because i had to deliver bad news to her that an old mutual friend had died tragically/ unexpectantly. So i saw her once this summer but then my ex kicked off again and she delivered the ultimatum. She also said it was all my fault and i was to blame, not him... as i 'chose to meet him in the first place' (wtf??!) and that's what i get for meeting someone on FB. Actually i didnt.. i 'd already met him in real life. .but it was FB where we really got chatting.. he was not a stranger. Also he'd been dry for 3 yrs when we met and stayed dry for another 3 yr.. he only started again in our last (4th) year together. Meeting him was not a bad thing at the time.. he was in a good place..as was I.. we were very happy. No one ever knows what is round the corner do they. eg a teetotaller could become an alcoholic. or someone could at any time develop violent behaviour due to mental health problems.. i've seen it happen to others. She says it's my fault because i took on a 'recovered alcoholic'. Well to be honest i didnt understand about alcoholism then. I just thought it was his past, he'd been honest about it and it was nothing to do with me .Plus everyone deserves a second chance. But not like i knew him back then. Also he did not crave alcohol for 3 yrs and i believed he would never drink again. She said 'well you'd better not meet anyone on FB ever again and you should learn from this and never do this again'. she was so patronising and talking to me like a child even though younger and me and she's made massive fuck ups all her life. She met a man on line, married him to get a green card (when lived in the states) and he developed severe mental health problems and she divorced him after a year. How quickly she judges me...in fact she married two men she didnt even like let alone love, just to improve chances of getting green card., both were quick divorces. All by her mid 20s. And i was there for her! and then she was with an abusive guy for 6 yrs. I flew out to be with her the day he came out of prison! she took him back. How quick to point the finger at me.
I'm sick of being judged , blamed and taking the brunt for this. All i did was love someone i thought was recovered. Many alcoholics and drug addicts do stay recovered.
So, another loss. My best friend. Whom I thought knew me better than anyone. I guess i dont know her anymore.. Now i realise she only wanted me in the fun and happy times and she cuts out anyone when the shit hits the fan for them. She cant handle it . She doesnt have the tolerance. Ive seen her do it to others and now i'm getting it. So maybe this loss is a good thing. But it still stings right now. I miss her. I guess she's fair weather and only friends in the good fun times. Does she have a good point? it's not her fault my ex hassled her. or is it victim blaming also? She cut me out as much as i did her.. but i didnt view it as cutting her out.. merely me being so overwhelmed and not being able to do what she was asking... i was at breaking point again...i just backed off rather than cut her dead, because i could not make her understand why i was powerless.
sorry this is so long.

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alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 01:10

Sorry that's really REALLY long. If anyone got this far, i applaud you! you could say i've had a bad and long day and needed to get that off chest.

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SparkleSoiree · 06/12/2013 01:26

As painful as it is right now I would say that the friend you talk about has no place in your life and your life will be far happier without them. She sound extremely manipulative and controlling and nobody needs friends like that.

I hope things feel better for you over the coming days and that you can enjoy a loving and peaceful christmas with your family. Smile

CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/12/2013 07:51

I think your experiences - although they are clearly quite harrowing and upsetting - are actually turning you into a better person. You appear to be much less tolerant of others who treat you badly. You are learning from the knocks and becoming more resilient. You're opting for independence rather than allowing others to bring you down simply so you can point to 'a friend' or 'a boyfriend'. I think you're gradually asserting yourself, prioritising yourself and I thoroughly believe that, with some external help to deal with the more traumatic aspects, you will emerge as a person with strong self-esteem, high standards and a great deal of insight. I have a friend who loves her pithy one-liners and the one she'd say to you right now is 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger'. I think you are stronger than you appreciate. Good luck

Meerka · 06/12/2013 08:40

agreed with cogito. You've come through an awful time and you're surviving, doing well. Course there are going to be ups and downs.

Your friend can be glad (though she probably hasn't the insight for it) that she's never had such tough times. You -know- you can survive. And also, when the shit hits the fan for a friend of yours - you won't do the same, be a fair weather friend. (within reason ofc - it's always a balance).

it hurts to loose friends you've had fun with but the real friends who stick around, those are the onesyou look back on and really know what they are worth. Sad as it is to loose the others.

MadBusLady · 06/12/2013 09:29

A sensible person would have treated the nasty calls of a friend's crazy ex just like a nasty call from anyone - reported it to the police themselves. That is the best way of ensuring their own safety, it means the police can potentially act on a harassment offence against them directly. AND it can't hurt their friend at the centre of the storm (i.e. you) if the crazy ex gets an entirely separate harassment record. It's so obviously the best thing to do for everyone. Yet she didn't do it, she preferred to lay in to you. She's either stupid or motivated by some really, really unpleasant, uninsightful feelings (which probably just comes back to stupid). Maybe she's all too aware of her own repeated fuck-ups and feels the need to put others in difficult situations down as if to emphasise how "sensible" she is. Anyway, her problem.

I also think you're doing better than you think you are. It's completely normal to regularly tour through some quite shitty times of feeling down when you're recovering from a period of trauma. It doesn't mean you're back to square one, that you're weak or that you're not making progress. It means you're alive, surviving and processing.

If you can, try sitting quietly at times like that and observing the feelings rushing through your head and observe "Hm, these are a bit shit, aren't they", and then know that they will pass, and a better set of feelings WILL arrive. That's a very bad explanation of mindfulness, it takes a bit of practice though.

alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 16:45

Friend had a very bad bereavement in her early 20s. She dealt with it by running away and starting a new life abroad. She never properly grieved and it all hit her about 15 yrs later, a few years after she'd returned to her own country. In all the time away she was scornful of people in her family being 'weak' by not 'coping' (in her eyes). All she wanted to do was distance herself. She never even returned home for 11 yrs. For example, her DB was only in his teens at time of bereavement. He was my housemate at the time. He turned to drugs for a while.. she wiped her hands off him.. she was disgusted. I looked after him. She thought he was weak and pathetic and why did I bother. He was just a young man, mourning. He got through it, but it took some years. She can't be around people she perceives as weak, except any partner she may be with.. and then no one else can criticise....
Her favourite line has always been, 'oh he / she is SO weak...' She has cut out most of her friends and family in fact. Which says a lot...
She thinks she is brave and tough by leaving to start a new life. But all she did was become a workaholic.. she never took time to reflect. So going back to her roots knocked her for six. When that happened she went on anti depressants for a very short time (she couldn't bear the 'stigma' and took herself off them). She begged me not to tell her DP (or anyone), as she was ashamed, and knew he'd 'judge' her ( I doubt he would've, but she likes to seen as always strong). I was a bit Shock as she knows I'm on anti dep's long term. I told her it was no taboo, but respected her wishes. I did tell her I felt she was judging me in some way..and I felt it was a strength to admit when you did need help... but she ignored me.
She does not have any empathy, however she is training to be a counseller,and will probably specialise in bereavement.. She would be ok in terms of not taking work home with her (cutting off) and dealing with practicalities (job would be specialist, requiring her to fly out to the bereaved) .. she would keep her head about her.. but empathy wise... hmmm that's debatable..she has been through it, but she didn't deal with it, as I said. She also refused bereavement counselling for herself.
I will not be judged because i happened to 'choose' my ex. Well, he chose me too! Things were great then. She's 'chosen' some real horrors in the past.. so hypercritical... if any of her exs had rung me, i'd never blame her...
It's another loss for me, perhaps for the best... I will miss her.. but I think she is too fair weather... that is not what I need.

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alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 16:46

thank you for all your words.
I guess I still need some handholding
very daunting to be trying to piece a life back together
It gets pretty lonely at times
I never saw myself back in my hometown with nothing... I thought i was set for life, I was due to get married. It's still a shock.

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alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 16:49

ie set for life as in... i had home, job, stable relationship... not just in terms of him... though it was his flat though i was the one financially contributing. hence me leaving... i could not afford to stay in that area. Feels really surreal to be trying to start again with nothing. Not even a piece of furniture... and i will never get an apology off him.. or even an acknowledgement... he refuses help for his drinking..he somehow thinks he's justified to drink...

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alltoomuchrightnow · 06/12/2013 17:03

I've come to realise that my ex is a true narcissist..but so is she...

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Andro · 06/12/2013 17:47

Well, with a friend like that (as she is currently) you really don't need enemies!

Well done on escaping, well done on staying strong and well done on not letting a (former) friend derail you when you're still vulnerable. You're clearly doing well so look forward to a brighter 2014.

alltoomuchrightnow · 09/12/2013 22:50

thankyou and I am looking forward to a New Year. I've lost another friend this week because of something my ex did.. this friend is extremely angry/ pissed off. i have to learn to let go.. it's hard.. but I did not cause my ex's behaviour... i start hypnotherapy this week to try and help with the flashbacks and insomnia (and then the nightmares when i finally sleep)

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Andro · 09/12/2013 23:35

Aw hell OP, PTSD sucks (I have a DS who's still having treatment) - recovery and management is a roller-coaster ride and a half but good treatment does work. A word of advice, be prepared that you may to go 3 steps forward 2 steps back...DS has found that at times he's had to regress before he makes a breakthrough.

As long as you can hold on to the knowledge that you couldn't and can't control your ex and his behaviour, but you can stop it controlling you then you're headed in the right direction.

Good luck and keep your eye on your goals.

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