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Previous Relationship: was this as bad as it feels?

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Purpuliar · 05/12/2013 11:21

Namechanged for obvious reasons. Split with XH a couple of years ago, he was not a nice man by the end. Very EA and physically threatening if not actually hitting me.

I've just started therapy to deal with how uncomfortable I feel around him during handovers. My skin literally crawls and I feel like I regress into myself.

I want to give a brief history of our entire sexlife to try and gauge whether it was normal or not.

I'm now in a happy relationship that bears no resemblance other than my wish to please (which is something I'm working on and something my current partner would never exploit).

Sorry if this gets TMI, there may be potential triggers too.

So in the early days, honeymoon period, we were both very young, lots of sex. He had lots of issues with PE and I was very understanding even though often unfulfilled. He enjoyed giving oral so that became a routine of oral for me, sex for him. All fine. But the odd bit about this was that if I said stop at any point, because it was uncomfortable, or he was in the wrong place, or he hurt me, he wouldn't stop. I would have to physically push him away and he would push back. I put it down to over enthusiasm. This always stayed. Even when I explained something hurt he would still do it the next time.

I don't know if it's relevant but on our very first date (we had mutual friends), he didn't turn up. When I called him he said there was no point as he couldn't stay over. I was very taken aback because as far as I was concerned we were only ever having dinner together. 6 months later I found out that at the beginning he was still sleeping with someone else, She dumped him shortly after we got together. But we were young (late teens) and my self esteem was zero, so I carried on.

Anyway, it all carried on in that routine until I lost a baby at 15 weeks and got very down. He retreated from me and after a year I left him. I got together on the rebound with someone else a month or so later, we were together for 3 months before I left him (very much a rebound and nothing more), a month or so later I got back together with XH. He considered my sleeping with someone else whilst not together cheating on him, and used to go on and on about how I had betrayed him.

This was when the night came that I said no and he did it anyway. We were having lots of sex, I would now say there was quite a bit of hysterical bonding involved. One night I didn't want to. I was tired. Work had been hard. I actually said the words "no I don't want to". He told me I was teasing and joking, climbed on top of me and did it anyway. I didn't say anything or protest again. I didn't want to make a big deal. I didn't want it to be an issue.

A few weeks later I found out I was pregnant again. I used this as an excuse not to have sex with him. We got married even though he often threatened to leave me because I'd "cheated" on him. When we did have sex I never orgasmed with him. I didn't trust him to stop if I asked him to. Our sex life dwindled to a handful of times a year.

I have a high sex drive but I didn't trust him. When we did do it he would still do the thing where I would have to struggle to push his hand away if he hurt me.

The year before we finally split, whilst trying to give our dead-in-the-water marriage one last push, we discussed how to improve our sex life. We said we'd do it more, he said I could trust him to stop. This led to a humiliating night which was out last ever time together (9 months before I left him) where he decided to introduce spanking. I'd had a few glasses of wine and went along with it. I froze when he started. Couldn't move or say anything. Very odd. Was terrified if I told him to stop he wouldn't and that would be the end of our marriage. He hit me for more than 20 minutes. The blood vessels at the tops of my legs burst and I was visibly bruised. I cried throughout which he says he didn't notice.

He described it afterwards as the best sex ever.

A lot of this I think can be argued as me not being assertive enough, so how could he know I didn't want it? I didn't say no to the last thing, but it left me feeling assaulted.

I can now say that when I said no and he did it anyway that was rape. Not scary violent rape, but quiet trust-destroying rape. Made worse by the fact that I ever let him touch me again.

I feel like I let myself down. I let my body down.

I think I've reclaimed myself now. But I hate how I feel like a victim when he walks in the room.

I have got a therapist now, but I'm not sure how much I can say. I don't know how to improve things.

Was this normal? Am I making a big deal out of nothing?

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Purpuliar · 05/12/2013 16:27

I mean he boasted to him about how he is (and I quote) "getting laid". Ds1 was quite disturbed. He's 14.

I do worry about his new gf. She's a lot younger than him too (no surprise). I know he'll be spinning all these son stories of evil ex wife and fantastic father, and I wish I could warn her. But I know she won't believe me. I would just like to say to her that if ever anything happens which she's not happy about, that I believe her. But I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity.

I pity her terribly.

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Purpuliar · 05/12/2013 16:27

Sob stories not son stories

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Lweji · 05/12/2013 16:37

I am a fan of transactional analysis, and it will probably be helpful in your life in general.

Not too sure about in relation of what happened in this relationship.

Jan45 · 05/12/2013 17:32

Gawd, what a weak and cowardly excuse for a man, it wasn't about sex at all and showing love, not for him anyway, it was all about power and getting satisfaction from seeing you uncomfortable, in pain and not happy.

So happy you are out of that and don't worry the new woman will hopefully realise what a psychopath, hopefully before he starts abusing her too, no wonder you don't want your kids round that, he really is an obnoxious twunt, I hope one day he gets his just deserts.

Purpuliar · 05/12/2013 18:29

Lweji, that's how I see it. Think it'll be useful for me, but perhaps talking therapy is what I need for the past.

Jan, I don't think I'll ever keep them away from him, but as long as they are safe that is my priority. I do fear what he'll say to dd when she's a teen, but that's quite a while away.

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Purpuliar · 06/12/2013 18:56

He's emailed again telling me I'm denying him his rights and damaging the dcs and that I haven't a leg to stand on.

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JoinYourPlayfellows · 08/12/2013 19:56

He thought you were denying him his rights and didn't have a leg to stand on when you tried to say no to sex you didn't want.

He's an unreasonable wanker who thinks you (and your children) exist for his pleasure.

Ignore him.

Lweji · 08/12/2013 20:29

Oh, only saw this now.

He doesn't have rights, really. The children do. And for their protection supervised access is best.

I hope you haven't replied to him.

Purpuliar · 09/12/2013 08:24

Don't worry, I haven't. I've finally learnt not to rise to it if nothing else.

I suppose the hardest part is that the dcs love their dad and want to see him. And whilst they have distant memories of bad times, and recent memories of being neglected, they are desperate for his love and attention.

They don't understand. Nor do I want them to. Last week dd said that mum and dad had split up because mum shouted at dad and made him cry", that probably did happen, he was evil and manipulative.

How can I say "no, mum left dad because he's an abusive rapist who loves only himself"?

I protect them. And in protecting them I keep them from hating him. And he is the epitome of Disney dad so of course they love seeing him.

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Purpuliar · 28/04/2014 14:23

Bumping my old thread.

So looks like CAFCAS will be recommending short periods of unsupervised, overnight visits :(

He's admitted to being angry in relation to me, but says he has no current anger issues. Even though dd has told them about recent specific incidents.

So what do I do now? She has said I can write in agreed adendums to the order, but how can I say "do not get frighteningly angry with the dcs" that is enforceable?

Can anyone help?

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Purpuliar · 28/04/2014 18:51

Bump :(

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