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cupoftchai · 28/11/2013 21:17

Most of the time my mum and I get on well. I do love her, and I trust her with most things and she is really supportive of me. No problem, then...

But every now and again this issue comes up. I am looking for some external viewpoints on this. i'm sorry it is awfully long, but it has helped me to think through a bit while writing it out.

I get really upset when mum starts going on about people being cruel or selfish or abusive towards others. My coping strategy with this is to avoid, escape, or tune out. I am absolutely fine with listening to and working with other people who are talking about similar experiences or perspectives btw, it is just with my mum I cannot handle it.

I understand why this is. When I was a teenager I was fairly depressed, self-harming, intrusive thoughts of suicide, using sex and drinking and excessive perfectionism in study. Mum did know about the self-harm and thoughts of suicide - once she saw cuts, another time I told her i was feeling suicidal - but she wasn't able to act on it in a way that might have helped. She didn't really do anything that helped. I think she tried to distract me and re-focus me on positive things. but i didn't actually see anyone, not even the GP, and I didn't talk to her about it again.

mum was under a lot of stress herself at the time, and there were other adults around ie dad who could have noticed or acted, and didn't, so i do not want to go blaming her. I have never talked with her since about these early signs of depression or explored what might have happened had we acted on them then.

So, when I was 17 my parents separated. a very acrimonious divorce, lots of blaming on both sides, mum accused dad of physical and sexual abuse, and he accused her of lies, manipulation, and bullying. I have younger siblings and fell into a totally inappropriate role of being confidant and emotional support to both my parents.

Mum would tell me how awful my father was, what he had done, what he was doing. i would not be able to escape and woudl feel totally trapped. she would keep going trying to get some reaction or response out of me, trying to get me to agree with what she was saying and this just made me all the more stubborn.

most of the time i wound up in tears! writing about this now, it was a totally fucked up situation. i'd go off and self-harm after it, or whenever i had to think about it. which mum would never have wanted, but somehow this was the cycle. she does not know what a bad effect this was all having on me. she thinks it was the divorce, or dad "deserting" us, that had the effect, but it was the way should would talk about him.
she did/does same thing when talkign about her family, who all took dad's side.

as i said I have a coping strategy now which is to avoid, escape, or tune out when she brings up things in this same, angry, emotional, accusative way.

Given all that it is really no wonder i ended up with a serious mental collapse at 19 and was hospitalised briefly, again a couple of months later and then, over the next 4 years, made a slow, steady recovery. 12 years later, in my 30s, I am doing really well, no reoccurence of mental health probs, good relationships with all family members and the extended family as much as possible. i do fiercely defend my peacekeeper, neutral role in conflct and am very good at helping people explore how they feel and try to reach agreements. it was all excellent training for my work in mental health/ social work!

most of the time mum and i get along well. we do genuinely care about each other and want the best for each other and she is so supportive of me - and great with dd! but every now and again this issue flares up.

recently she was describing something my gran had done which she took issue with and I responded in my 'coping' way (avoiding, tuning out), she got upset, accused me of lacking empathy, that i would ignore abuse in my work which is absolutely not true. This has got me thinking about it all again. it is so sad that we have this difficulty between us. sometimes i don't trust her, i am angry, i don't want to be close to her.

so, do i do my best to restore the status quo, move on from this latest row, keep going in this way of carefully avoiding raised emotions between us,
or try to explain why I respond in this way, and through doing this try to change this cycle of anger/response we have going. I am very afraid of hoping for mum to change her behaviour in this way as i wish so much for it and nothing has ever helped before.

i would appreciate your views or just the chance to have this heard, it is so complicated and difficult it is not something I really talk about much in real life. plus i spent a very long time getting to the stage where I can have a non-complicated, workable, even good relationship with mum, i do not want to screw that up. don't want to make life diffiuclt for siblings either, mum tends to become very emotional with all of us if something is going wrong with her relationhsip with one.

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SimLondon · 28/11/2013 22:38

check out the stately homes thread. It is not in your remit to be a parent or an emotional crutch for your mother. Check out susan forwards toxic parents. Your mother may be narcisstic

cjel · 28/11/2013 22:49

I think your first step should be to get a good counsellor that you can discuss all this with and they will hopefully enable you to make the right choices so that you can either deal with this with your mum or without her,xx

CailinDana · 28/11/2013 23:03

Could you talk to her about this?

Cleorapter · 28/11/2013 23:12

She does sound a touch narc from what you've written there. A normal person would just appreciate your differences, not try to force you to think how she does and then get angry at you for not doing it.

Meerka · 29/11/2013 07:40

it sounds like your relationship is basically pretty good. Its this one area that is causing both of you problems.

Is it possible like cailin says to talk to her about it? I would think that depends, basically, on how open and honest she is able to be in response to you. If she is the sort of person who -can- respond well to difficult things without getting defensive and angry (or can go away and think and then come back and discuss things) its worth it. It won't be if she can't.

If you think it will work, maybe think out what you want to say beforehand and then formally arrange a time with her. Then giving her chance to respond. With some parents you simply have to say how you feel, once, and its not a dialogue becuase they're incapable of responding. With others you can actually -talk-. It sounds from the basic warmth and love of the relationship that perhaps you can.

Things you could use if you feel that they will work:

"It was clear you were upset about me not really listening properly when you were talking about gran. It got me thinking. YOu were right, I didnt. There is a reason for it and if you like, I'd like to talk it out with you."

That gives her the option to say yes or no.

"it might not be easy to hear but I know that I've found it hard in certain circumstances to listen to you the way that I can in other areas. It would be good if we can talk it out and at least know why the difficulty's there"

And emphasise how it's long in the past. Then tell her, actually tell her, the root of the problem as you have written it down here, clearly and without heavy blame.

etc etc

The key is avoiding heavy blame; showing empathy as you did above, and makign it clear that you'd like to resolve things and that you love her very much. But also not to minimise just how hard it was; it must have been horrendous to end up with a serious episode of mental illness. Given your work, I've no doubt at all that you know how best to be non-judgemental but still honest.

Does this sound a possible course? if she is not the type to be able to respond honestly with a dialogue (then or later) then there will be no use trying this approach and it will have to remain a frictoin point between you, perhaps. Or you could simply say that you have to deal with a lot of conflict at work and you find it hard to deal with mroe in your offduty hours?

cupoftchai · 29/11/2013 20:15

Some really good advice here thank you. I have just spoken with her tonight - lots of reassurance about how I think out relationship is really good and it's just this one area, and why it is. She didn't realise I was angry about it so that has helped make my reactions make more sense to her. But I did say that it made me not trust her which I shouldn't have, that's such an emotionally loaded thing to say and I should have done what u advised, meerka, and given her the choice of talking about it or not. It did go quite well though, and we agreed at end that we will each have a think and come back to it, but that we will not let it spoil or get in way of family times that are coming up. That's very important, we have a big family meal this weekend and various things in run up to Xmas and I'm not in the business of making life harder for people!

Thank you all for listening and for your advice I need to give this some thought. It is really helpful to have laid it down here - and also to hear that I am (maybe, bearing in mind u just have what I've written!) not at fault, or not being too weak to cope with something I should be able to cope with- I think that thought has been there.

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cupoftchai · 29/11/2013 20:16

Sorry for the lack of line breaks!

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Meerka · 29/11/2013 20:29

it sounds like it went as well as it possibly could have really. So it wasn't perfect, well this is a really emotive and hard-to-handle discussion so if it went well overall then great :)

It's also good that you agreed to come back to it as it will give you both time to think. Even better that you agreed that it won't taint Christmas :)

No, I don't think you were weak at all. Human, not weak. The situation in the past was obviously very distressing indeed and these things live deep in the memory. If you and your mum can talk it over at last, it may even have been for the best that this came into the open in the end.

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